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[Mythic381]

I hope you know that Alastor was not even serious in that fight, the same with Lucifer for a minute, meanwhile Adam despite being casual, still used an angelic weapon the whole time and had to ultilize a charged attack after having enough with Alastor

That doesn't mean they're holding back to the point you lower their tiers by 15.

Even if Alastor was holding back, he was clearly still weaker than Adam, there's quite literally no question against that.

He utilized a charged attack because he was unable to fight Alastor from close-range, because Alastor was dodging all of Adam's attacks and would get bombarded with tentacles and annoying minions.

None of this concerns their durability or endurance. Adam was stabbed in the shoulder by an Angelic Weapon and still stood up and continued fighting without problem.

 

[Polastournecis]

Even if Alastor was holding back, he was clearly still weaker than Adam, there's quite literally no question against that.

Uh huh, and Adam was still hurt by one of Alastor's casual attacks showing by his facial expression here

He utilized a charged attack because he was unable to fight Alastor from close-range, because Alastor was dodging all of Adam's attacks and would get bombarded with tentacles and annoying minions.

Which means Adam took more seriously as a threat

Still, did i say anything? No but you keep heating it up

None of this concerns their durability or endurance. Adam was stabbed in the shoulder by an Angelic Weapon and still stood up and continued fighting without problem.

Because it is on the shoulder don't you think? Not lethal as it seems aside from the blood loss that Adam could regenerate from
Btw that's endurance, not durability

 

[Mythic381]

Uh huh, and Adam is still hurted by one of his casual attacks showing by facial expression here

Showing an annoyed facial expression doesn't mean he's hurt. Adam was literally thrown, not just punched.

Which means Adam took more seriously as a threat

No? It just means he's incapable of taking him on from close range.

Because it is on the shoulder don't you think? Not lethal as it seems aside from the blood loss that Adam could regenerate from

It went deep enough that Charlie could spin him and throw him.

 

[Anonymous_Learner]

How Mythic381 vs. Polastournecis be moving knowing damn well this Threads ain't getting no attention

 

[Polastournecis]

How Mythic381 vs. Polastournecis be moving knowing damn well this Threads ain't getting no attention

Idk it just feels like a back-and-forward atp

 

[Polastournecis]

Ah, here we go

Showing an annoyed facial expression doesn't mean he's hurt. Adam was literally thrown, not just punched.

I feel like we all forgot this

No? It just means he's incapable of taking him on from close range.

That makes him more of a threat. No?

It went deep enough that Charlie could spin him and throw him.

And Exorcist angels like Lute could keep fighting just fine with one hand ripped off
Again, that attack was not so lethal for angels and was more of an endurance feat cuz the pitchfork stabbed him just fine

 

[Mythic381]

I feel like we all forgot this

We didn't forget about this. This thing happens in like one second, we don't actually know if he was hurt.

That makes him more of a threat. No?

Even if it does, that doesn't mean Adam took him more seriously or that he was somehow more powerful than expected. He was still at the same level, just Adam was annoyed too much to keep falling for his games.

And Exorcist angels like Lute could keep fighting just fine with one hand ripped off

That's an example of one exorcist. Vaggie was unable to even stand up properly after she got stabbed in the eye.

Again, that attack was not so lethal for angels and was more of an endurance feat cuz the pitchfork stabbed him just fine

It was lethal. That's an Angelic Weapon. Don't even compare Adam to the rest of Exorcists, as the gap between them is hilarious.

 

[Polastournecis]

We didn't forget about this. This thing happens in like one second, we don't actually know if he was hurt.

Because it only briefly strangled him.
Second later the tentacle grasp became more loose

Even if it does, that doesn't mean Adam took him more seriously or that he was somehow more powerful than expected. He was still at the same level, just Adam was annoyed too much to keep falling for his games.

I mean compared to Charlie, ok?

Adam staggered for a while after charging an axe attack on Alastor and didn't outright kill him despite the latter being crippled
Which is not his style cuz he keep pressing Charlie even after shes already knocked down

That's an example of one exorcist. Vaggie was unable to even stand up properly after she got stabbed in the eye.

Again, endurance

It was lethal. That's an Angelic Weapon. Don't even compare Adam to the rest of Exorcists, as the gap between them is hilarious.

But it didn't tag his death point like the heart

For someone with great endurance, the only way to truly take them out is stabbing their heart or brain

 

[Mythic381]

Because it only briefly strangled him.
Second later the tentacle grasp became more loose

That doesn't really refute my point. And it doesn't mean it hurt him more than Lucifer's kicks.

Adam staggered for a while after charging an axe attack on Alastor and didn't outright kill him despite the latter being crippled
Which is not his style cuz he keep pressing Charlie even after shes already knocked down

Uh no? He didn't stagger at all. The charging attack was different from the attack that Adam hit Alastor with.
Don't think it's fair to compare Adam when he was fighting Alastor to Charlie, as Adam had just recognized Charlie and fully harm him and possibly kill him, and it was after a long fight, that he probably wanted to get done with.

Again, endurance

Point is that not all exorcists have the same level of endurance. You can't compare them when I just gave you an example proving they don't.

But it didn't tag his death point like the heart

For someone with great endurance, the only way to truly take them out is stabbing their heart or brain

It still should've still at least temporarily paralyzed him or smth

 

[Mythic381]

Honestly, with how this is going, I'll not respond anymore and just wait for if any staff actually comments.

 

[DarkLock92]

Bump

 

[DarkLock92]

Bump

 

[Polastournecis]

Bump

 

[DarkLock92]

Bump

 

[FinePoint]

Is this thread still relevant?

 

[Mythic381]

Is this thread still relevant?

There isn't much comments on it from supporters, but if you still want to give your opinion:

The first proposal has been argued with no consensus.

Second proposal has removed:

Flight, Intangibility, teleportation and acrobatics. (Intangibility and Pseudo-teleportation have been accepted in another thread)

The third seems to be agreed by the majority.

 

[Mythic381]

If you want one that is still very relevant to Hellaverse:

Charlie Morningstar is not weaker than all of hell

Pretty simple, why isn't Charlie scaling at least to the small building stuff? She is currently street to wall level, which would make her the weakest character in the verse. There is no reason why she shouldn't scale to the average sinner like Cherri or Angel, and even if you want to be mean...

vsbattles.com

 

[FinePoint]

There isn't much comments on it from supporters, but if you still want to give your opinion:

The first proposal has been argued with no consensus.

Well, my general opinion is that Alastor shouldn't scale to Adam in any way.

The third seems to be agreed by the majority.

That seems fine to me as well.

 

[Mythic381]

Well, my general opinion is that Alastor shouldn't scale to Adam in any way.

That seems fine to me as well.

Alright

For the second proposal:

• Possession and Matter Manipulation: Can merge with the environment and attack Vox via it (Make this clear that the scatters were directed to Vox, in a different direction from their usual as Alastor possessed them)
  
  
• Surface Scaling: "Iceskated" on skycraper walls as if it was the ground. Is demonstrated to have incredible mobility as he can perform backflips/somersaults to dodge Shok.wav, even when standing on a wall.
  
  
• Weapon Creation: Summoned spikes out of darkness that can pierce through metal.

Those are the only ones still in OP.

 

[FinePoint]

Alright

For the second proposal:

Those are the only ones still in OP.

Possession and Matter Manipulation: Can merge with the environment and attack Vox via it (Make this clear that the scatters were directed to Vox, in a different direction from their usual as Alastor possessed them)

Seems like a stretch, I think his shadow manipulation already covers this stuff.

Surface Scaling: "Iceskated" on skycraper walls as if it was the ground. Is demonstrated to have incredible mobility as he can perform backflips/somersaults to dodge Shok.wav, even when standing on a wall.

Sure.

Weapon Creation: Summoned spikes out of darkness that can pierce through metal.

Sure.

 

[Mythic381]

Thank you for your contribution.

 

[FinePoint]

Thank you for your contribution.

No problem.

Anything that has reached three staff approvals (without opposition) can be applied, by the way.

 

[Mythic381]

Anything that has reached three staff approvals (without opposition) can be applied, by the way.

Pretty sure you're the first staff to comment here

 

[FinePoint]

Pretty sure you're the first staff to comment here

Yes, well, all the other staff are lazy no-good slackers.

I will prod them with a stick.
@KingTempest @Catzlaflame @Duedate8898 @ActuallySpaceMan42 @Godernet @Mr. Bambu @Random-Helper323 @TWILIGHT-OP

 

[Mythic381]

@Mr. Bambu

Oh boy.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Oh boy.

Speak on that.

 

[Duedate8898]

I'm a bit uncertain on Alastor scaling, just going off the scene he's out of the fight once Adam hits him. I would support an at most or possibly for his durability measuring up to Adam's AP just going off that scene since the wound as far as I'm aware was debilitating.

Everything else (new abilities as FinePoint said) and the scaling to weakened to Alastor looks good to me

 

[FinePoint]

I'm a bit uncertain on Alastor scaling, just going off the scene he's out of the fight once Adam hits him. I would support an at most or possibly for his durability measuring up to Adam's AP just going off that scene since the wound as far as I'm aware was debilitating.

According to his own words he only narrowly escaped death from that.

My interpretation was always that Adam just didn't hit anything vital or aim far enough, not that Alastor actually tanked it in any way.

Also, the character who gave him his power laughs in his face at the idea that he could actually take on an archangel.

 

[Duedate8898]

Then I see little reason to scale him to Adam. Put me down as a no for that