First ill focus on upgrading everything else then ill upgrade Yog.
Einstein stated that their World is at the lowest transfinite base which is Aleph Null. And she compared the number of Dimensions between Proper world and Imaginary Tree, meaning that the number of dimensions that the Proper World has is equal to Aleph null aka Countable Infinity. So the Proper World has infinite dimensional and there’s also R>F relationship between Spatial dimensions.
which mean there’s qualitative superiority between each dimension. And Imaginary Tree is Outerversal+ dues to its being “Infinite scale in the sense of transfinite”. Which equals to Aleph Omega.
Any outer god should be far above the imaginary tree.
Yog Sothoth Wiki:
A god who live outside of time and space of the universe have infinite wisdom, and therefore have infinite loneliness.
Here, she can get everything she wants, but at the same time... It might also be meaningless.
Directly stated to exist outside and transcend the Imaginary Tree
Stated to be the Tao which exists outside of the concepts of space and time.
Baseline 1A.
Aleph hierarchy = infinite inaccessible gaps (aleph-ω fixed points) "infinitely-transfinite layers" = High 1-A by definition (transcends ℵ₀→ℵ₁→... chain).
Project Stigma infinite Recursion
Civilizations spiral R>F, each embedding lower as meta-fiction (Civilization 0: fiction -> Civilization 1: reality -> infinite 1-A planes). Apex = "absolute infinite" (inaccessible cardinal), Universal Set containing all possible 1-A layers/Trees. Tree governs this as "narrative origin," embedding infinite such hierarchies.
Dialogues from Chapter 31-EX support this as well.
Project Stigma enables human civilization to "transcendentally spiral" by separating from the original storyteller, allowing them to become independent and eventually surpass their creator.
It aims to convert humanity into a "stigma" form, where they exist in an endless, comfortable dream. This forces evolution by transforming the "defective" physical humans into "idealized" spiritual beings (stigma) that are resistant to the Honkai, effectively making the "ideal" (fiction) the new "real" (reality), Leading to R>F.
Any character who can affect a leaf or the imaginary tree should scale to this
All Aeons(1A)
Kiana Kaslana, Kevin Kaslana and False God Otto should scale to this which is 1A+/H1A
Phainon should scale to this as well since he scratched Nanook which puts him at 1A. L1A is fine too(Only for Phainon).
Yog Upgrade+All other Outer Gods
1.
Here is the exact translation from the game (Moral Bubble Sutra / Kizuna Entry 2, quoted verbatim in both upgrade and downgrade threads):
The pronoun “It” grammatically and contextually refers to “The Dao that may be trodden” (the named, conditioned, walkable version), not the eternal Dao. This is identical to the real Tao
Te Ching Chapter 1:
GGZ literally quotes the classic distinction and adds “bubbles” as the medium of the named Dao only. The eternal/Nameless Dao is the prior, undifferentiated source — and the game repeatedly identifies Yog-Sothoth herself as exactly that:
The downgrade pretends “It” = the eternal Tao and therefore “the eternal Tao is a bubble of Yog,” creating dependency. That is not what the sentence says. Multiple people already explained this but they were ignored.
2.
Direct quote (upgrade thread and downgrade thread):
Cross-referenced with the Diamond Sutra (explicitly referenced in Kizuna Entry 1): “All conditioned phenomena are like a dream, an illusion, a bubble…”Bubbles = illusory mortal phenomena / named world / the “door” that mortals perceive. They are not ontological superiors that “create” the eternal Tao. They are what the named Tao appears inside when Yog imposes definition on raw chaos.
The downgrade thread quotes the “metaphor” line… and then immediately dismisses it. That is cherry-picking. Come on bro. You can do better than that.
3.
Kizuna Entry 5 (quoted in both upgrade threads and still partially in the current profile):
This is textbook Tier 0 logic: the entity that defines everything is not bound by any definition (including any “Tao that can be trodden”). She is the unrestricted source that imposes the named Dao, bubbles, Yin-Yang, Imaginary Tree, etc. while remaining the Nameless ground beyond them.
4.
VSBW T0 requires absolute primacy with no possible superior, often via being the ineffable ground beyond all descriptions, dualities, and hierarchies.
Yog and the rest of the outer gods have proven they can do this with ingame statements.
The downgrade thread’s only “logical problem” is the misparsed pronoun + literal reading of a metaphor the verse itself labels a metaphor.
Bottom line: Yog-Sothoth GGZ is still the unrestricted Nameless Tao, the source of definition itself, beyond every boundary and hierarchy the verse establishes. The downgrade is just a reading comprehension failure dressed up as a “logical problem.” Under the same standards that got her accepted originally, she is Tier 0.
Einstein stated that their World is at the lowest transfinite base which is Aleph Null. And she compared the number of Dimensions between Proper world and Imaginary Tree, meaning that the number of dimensions that the Proper World has is equal to Aleph null aka Countable Infinity. So the Proper World has infinite dimensional and there’s also R>F relationship between Spatial dimensions.
which mean there’s qualitative superiority between each dimension. And Imaginary Tree is Outerversal+ dues to its being “Infinite scale in the sense of transfinite”. Which equals to Aleph Omega.
Any outer god should be far above the imaginary tree.
Yog Sothoth Wiki:
A god who live outside of time and space of the universe have infinite wisdom, and therefore have infinite loneliness.
Here, she can get everything she wants, but at the same time... It might also be meaningless.
Directly stated to exist outside and transcend the Imaginary Tree
Stated to be the Tao which exists outside of the concepts of space and time.
Baseline 1A.
Aleph hierarchy = infinite inaccessible gaps (aleph-ω fixed points) "infinitely-transfinite layers" = High 1-A by definition (transcends ℵ₀→ℵ₁→... chain).
Project Stigma infinite Recursion
Civilizations spiral R>F, each embedding lower as meta-fiction (Civilization 0: fiction -> Civilization 1: reality -> infinite 1-A planes). Apex = "absolute infinite" (inaccessible cardinal), Universal Set containing all possible 1-A layers/Trees. Tree governs this as "narrative origin," embedding infinite such hierarchies.
Dialogues from Chapter 31-EX support this as well.
Project Stigma enables human civilization to "transcendentally spiral" by separating from the original storyteller, allowing them to become independent and eventually surpass their creator.
It aims to convert humanity into a "stigma" form, where they exist in an endless, comfortable dream. This forces evolution by transforming the "defective" physical humans into "idealized" spiritual beings (stigma) that are resistant to the Honkai, effectively making the "ideal" (fiction) the new "real" (reality), Leading to R>F.
Any character who can affect a leaf or the imaginary tree should scale to this
All Aeons(1A)
Kiana Kaslana, Kevin Kaslana and False God Otto should scale to this which is 1A+/H1A
Phainon should scale to this as well since he scratched Nanook which puts him at 1A. L1A is fine too(Only for Phainon).
Yog Upgrade+All other Outer Gods
1.
Here is the exact translation from the game (Moral Bubble Sutra / Kizuna Entry 2, quoted verbatim in both upgrade and downgrade threads):
The pronoun “It” grammatically and contextually refers to “The Dao that may be trodden” (the named, conditioned, walkable version), not the eternal Dao. This is identical to the real Tao
Te Ching Chapter 1:
GGZ literally quotes the classic distinction and adds “bubbles” as the medium of the named Dao only. The eternal/Nameless Dao is the prior, undifferentiated source — and the game repeatedly identifies Yog-Sothoth herself as exactly that:
- Profile (current, even after downgrade): “As being the nameless Tao, Yog-Sothoth transcends the duality of Yin and Yang…”
- Kizuna Entry 2 (upgrade thread): Yog is the “Nameless Tao” that is the “origin of Heaven and Earth,” “mother of all things.”
- in downgrade thread #33: “The text refers to the expressed Tao, not the Eternal Tao. Yog-Sothoth is the Eternal Tao. Bubbles and doors are media between the mortal world and her world.”
The downgrade pretends “It” = the eternal Tao and therefore “the eternal Tao is a bubble of Yog,” creating dependency. That is not what the sentence says. Multiple people already explained this but they were ignored.
2.
Direct quote (upgrade thread and downgrade thread):
Cross-referenced with the Diamond Sutra (explicitly referenced in Kizuna Entry 1): “All conditioned phenomena are like a dream, an illusion, a bubble…”Bubbles = illusory mortal phenomena / named world / the “door” that mortals perceive. They are not ontological superiors that “create” the eternal Tao. They are what the named Tao appears inside when Yog imposes definition on raw chaos.
The downgrade thread quotes the “metaphor” line… and then immediately dismisses it. That is cherry-picking. Come on bro. You can do better than that.
3.
Kizuna Entry 5 (quoted in both upgrade threads and still partially in the current profile):
This is textbook Tier 0 logic: the entity that defines everything is not bound by any definition (including any “Tao that can be trodden”). She is the unrestricted source that imposes the named Dao, bubbles, Yin-Yang, Imaginary Tree, etc. while remaining the Nameless ground beyond them.
4.
- White void / Kingdom of Heaven beyond the Gate: “This World behind the door, where time and space have come to a standstill, has only wisdom remaining.” Ontologically prior to the Imaginary Tree, material reality, and all limitations. True form unseen (only “dazzling incandescent light”).
- Transcends Yin-Yang duality: The fundamental force that governs the entire universe and Babylon. Explicit scan: “As being the nameless Tao, Yog-Sothoth transcends the duality of Yin and Yang that govern up everything in the universe including Babylon.”
- Transcends High 1-A+ entities: Outer Gods (including her) > Mythical Godheads (conceptual beings like Thanatos, Chronos). Even a larva of an Outer God (“The Mother”) is stated to crush the Yin-Yang balance if allowed to walk Babylon. Azathoth and other Outers are treated as lesser in context.
- Ineffability: Human concepts of Nirvana and Tao are “merely analogies filtered through limited human minds that cannot comprehend Yog’s nature.” The current profile uses this against Tier 0; the upgrade thread used it for Tier 0 — because true Tier 0 characters are often described via negative theology/apophatic statements exactly like this.
VSBW T0 requires absolute primacy with no possible superior, often via being the ineffable ground beyond all descriptions, dualities, and hierarchies.
Yog and the rest of the outer gods have proven they can do this with ingame statements.
- Nameless/Eternal Tao = origin beyond naming.
- Source of definition/boundaries while transcending them.
- Creates boundless independent worlds via one word.
- Transcends the entire listed cosmology and every conceptual framework.
The downgrade thread’s only “logical problem” is the misparsed pronoun + literal reading of a metaphor the verse itself labels a metaphor.
Bottom line: Yog-Sothoth GGZ is still the unrestricted Nameless Tao, the source of definition itself, beyond every boundary and hierarchy the verse establishes. The downgrade is just a reading comprehension failure dressed up as a “logical problem.” Under the same standards that got her accepted originally, she is Tier 0.
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