| Kamen Rider OOO (Episode 39-48) (59.44 ZT, 5-A: 3.047 YT with Grand Of Rage & Lost Blaze; Can ignore conventional durability with Dura Neg from Spatial & Void Manip) | 23rd Budokai Tien Shinhan (1.5 YT) | Ha, Men |
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Ten-shin-Han
Might be bad for Ten's end cause OOO void manip axe can oneshot Ten too, I did see that Ki can interact with Void manip, but the way OOO's void manip works is similar to a Hakai, in that it EE whoever's getting hit. Quick heads up, Ten might have seen the Axe that does the void manip, but he probably doesn't know that the axe has void manip considering that Tregear resist the EE part of Void manip
Cloning himselfWell there's Ten Shinhans and only 3 Os so how is he getting past the number disadvantage
You see, if you overlap 2 Os together, you get infinity. If you overlap 3 Os together, that's double the infinity.Well there's Ten Shinhans and only 3 Os so how is he getting past the number disadvantage
Oh right, well that changes things. If he knows about the sword slash, he'll probably try to finish the fight immediately. Ten is pretty good at dodging with his third eye, but if that's not enough, he can use a Dodon Ray to just shoot OOO, or use the Zanzo-Ken to catch him by surprise, or use the Taoi-Ken to blind him and finish him off, or use the multi-form to give him fake targets and overwhelm him, or use the Ki-Ko-Ho as a last resort to nuke the area.
So would it mean that Ten would still attempt melee? If so, he would still need to make ground and that's plenty of time for OOO to swap to his other combo if Ten mange to dodge the slash. That said, OOO himself got some way to read Ten movement as well, considering he starts in base, his Taka headpiece can see up to 8km away and even detect the slightest movement vibrations of the atmosphere, so OOO could always adjust his swing so keep that in mind.
If he thinks he can close the distance before getting hit, probably. He'd probably try to blind him first no matter what.
Ten's third eye and the after-image technique come in handy to counter this. His Four-Witches technique can give him extra arms to fight and block too.
Not sure, depends on the void's properties.
If Ten see's that, he'll try to clear them all out with a large AoE attack.
Chances are, OOO would notice the gesture for the solar flare considering that's one of the move Ten does in the previous match. Plus he can still detect the air moving from Ten's movement plus enhance hearing. That plus OOOO has a passive defend that his Purple medal has, where if it detects OOO being in danger, it can summon themselves (from his body) and transform him into PuToTyra, which can also auto freeze everything within it's radius upon transforming in the case that OOO could get blinded. So the moment Ten gets in melee, he just get flash frozen. Considering that PuToTyra only showing up in this match, Ten wouldn't know about it.
Fair, does the afterimage have any noticeable difference from the original? OOO Taka head can see and pinpoint the inside of solid entities, while also being able to see invisible enemies. And if in PuToTura, his Pteradon headpiece can detect signs of life (say Ki) within a 15km radius and has the same effect of detecting movement in the atmosphere.
OOO's more of a conversion to nothingness sort, so EE. As previously mentioned, OOO could use his VM to potentially dispute ki moves, whether it's by wacking them with the axe or turning his axe into its gun mode to fire off a VM beam.
Not a guarantee, Ten was going into his fight with Superman blind and only needed one hit to win, he didn't necessarily need it for the last match.
How durable are the medals, given that Ten's most basic attacks are a oneshot tier above OOO, they might break and do little to deflect ki blasts.
That is pretty good, is it omni-directional?
It looks blurrier than Ten, but it has canonically tricked pretty smart people mid-fight.
Afterimages still work on characters that are well-practiced in sensing ki, so that might not help much.
If it's existence erasure, then I guess it could erase a ki blast. How big is the AoE?
It seems to take some time to do, coincidentally not significantly longer than it takes to fully charge a Ki-Ko-Ho (though Ten can quickly fire a non-fully charge one like when he quickly made a hole for everyone to hide in during the Piccolo Jr. fight). Ten can pretty easily fire an attack before it completes, killing OOO.
Fair, but it's still a possibility to keep in mind.
The medals were shot by Lost Blaze (A 3 YT attack OOO can also do) and survived going into the black hole created by it (it went into the future by 80 year). The 7 purple medal shown destroyed were the one initiating Lost Blaze. There are 10 total, 3 of them was inside the dude that got shot (you can briefly see one of them in the clip showing the blackhole shooting them back out into the scream dude).
Should be. Though it doesn't look like it, that's more so due to the camera and limitation at the time of the show aired.
Fair enough for PuToTyra. Though for the Taka headpiece though, has anyone shown to be able to distinguish as closely as 0.02 cm or see the inside of a physical entity?
It varies. There's the axe strike, there's also this he can do with his axe. The Axe could take out the average ki blast, the beam probably could be used against a more consisting attack, say a Kikoho or Kamehameha. PuToTyra itself should also just straight up has Void manip in all its attack from scaling to another Purple Core Medal user, however, OOO's profile doesn't have it in yet (he will get an overhaul later on in the future). Forgot to mentioned that OOO could fly in PuToTyra form as well.
I mean, what's stopping OOO from freezing Ten's limbs and body before doing that? Plus OOO LS could immobilize/snap Ten's limb(s) that got left out by the freeze pretty easily if needed (Class T vs Class M).
Alright, so they would be able to deflect his attacks, how well do they do against large AoE blasts?
That specific instance doesn't require it to be omnidirectional, are there more clear examples?
Not sure, Ki sensing is just detecting someone's specific life signature.
The problem is that the Ki-Ko-Ho has a massive AoE, the Axe may neutralize it's center, but the rest of the blast would hit him unimpeded. But yes, it probably would erase the smaller ki attacks, although that long charge-up does look like a hinderance (a Dodon-Ray can be fired much quicker).
The same thing that's stopping Ten from pummeling him after a Taioken or Zanzoken or just Dodon Ray-ing his @ss.
Unsure. In that situation I refer to it, it's use as consideration that Ten's going in for Melee before he realized he needs to beam/blast down OOO. But in the cases where he get hit, OOO should be able to regen some shots from his low-high regen, the medals more or less becomes cushion; oh and to clear up on Grand of Rage, OOO only really try to commit Grand of Rage when he knows he is able to land the hit, say during the arm lock scenario.
There's this case where there were two somewhere behind him and 2 somewhere in front of him.
I'd consider that OOO being able to see through it if there's nothing shown in DB that is close to something like what the Taka headpiece can do, if so.
Considering that Ten needs to move his finger to point to do a Dodon-Ray, plus the ki required to do so, OOO should be able to detect what's going on with the Pterdon head piece via its life sensing and feeling the movement of Ten's hand/finger movement. OOO should be able to dodge it while initiating the attack.
I have previously mentioned some ways OOO could deal with Taioken. Zanzoken varies, but if Ten starts off with it while OOO's in base or any form using the Taka headpiece, he should be fine dealing with it. Dodon Ray varies from form to form, plus low-high regen.
Maybe, but if OOO demonstrated his potent abilities in the last match, Ten probably would be more wary and try to end the fight before he uses those abilities. It depends how the last match went.
Ah, I see. I stand by that Ten could easily interrupt the sequence, but that is a good move against him.
I don't know if Granolah could see through the Zanzoken, I'm pretty sure he has something similar, but I never read that far in Super.
But would it not interrupt his attack nonetheless? It's still a quick attack, will OOO be able to make those deductions mid-move and dodge before the Dodon Ray hits? Ten can also just do the Kiai Shout, which is literally just him shouting. He also can do that eye-beam thing, he's pretty unpredictable. Hell, with the multi-form, it makes him harder to hit and dodge attacks from.
That's not too bad, but also keep in mind that Ten can do the Kikoho multiple times, hell later in the series he spams more advanced Shin-Kikoho. But that low-high regen is pretty good, does that apply to his medals or just himself? Because we've seen in DB that strong enough ki blasts can completely vaporize opponents, which means Ten's one-shot tier AP advantage will be more than sufficient.
Do the clones have those medals? Because we know that the base strength is a oneshot tier below Ten.
Last match was a decisive victory on OOO's end. Tregear's AP was also on equal footing with OOO's but OOO could overwhelm him with numbers plus Tregear had no ways of dealing with it. So all OOO did was round start Spatial slash, found out his dura neg didn't work, goes in melee for VM, found out his VM doesn't work, survive a hit or so, then went Gatakiriba. Ten's got more tricks + is one-shot one tier above, which is why OOO starts showing off more of his potent abilities in this match. Note that due to Tregear resisting spatial slash and void manip means Ten wouldn't know what VM actually does other than being a battle axe. The spatial slash is more obvious due to the visuals it does to the surrounding area, being able to cut actual space and reversing it back after, but it takes time to put in 3 cell medals back (reason how he could round starts is cause it would be pre-loaded)
OOO's regular sense should scales to the Greeeds, who could sense a strong desire, whether from a person's own desire or from a yummy who feeds on it's host desire (a reminder that Desire = life in OOO) and Putotyra's Ptera headpiece is another way to identify life, so I can see him react to focus of Ki from Ten's ki attack the moment it starts to charge up. Granted, if it's instant, that might be a different story, say the Kiai Shout and maybe the eye-beam. Kikoho and Dodon ray are fair games though. Multi-form/Four Witch too if Ten have uses it in his previous match.
Low-regen applied to OOO's himself. That said, the cell medals are shown being able to survive OOO's own Spatial dura neg attack, core medal should scales higher + they all survived spaghettification by the Blackhole from OOO's own Lost Blaze and also tanked the attack as well (a 3 YT, 5-A attack mind you) I've send a few posts back. If it's Shin-Kikoho spam, won't lie, OOO most likely getting Semi-perfect Cell'd if Ten manage to eventually surge through the VM/EE; he could most likely regen from it. If it's just a singular Kikoho though, OOO could bypass without too much loss.
Unsure, they should be able to, considering that Gatakiriba clones also clones its own Core medals on the belt alongside the clones themselves. There's also the fact that OOO should have this much cell medals and more inside of him at the moment. For ref, this is how much cell medal it take for your average Greeed to regen fully. So even if he couldn't, he should be able to share a lot for each clones while still surviving each blows.
Can he sense the specific details of the desire? Like, does he telepathically know what Ten's about to do?
The Kiai Shout is instant, the eye beam has him do a gesture like the Dodon Ray, but I advocate that he can get it off before OOO can do anything from "sensing desire".
I doubt he did in the previous match, it was more about dodging Superman's head-vision and landing a single hit.
Is it conceivable, in this instance, that at least one full Kikoho makes it through at hits OOO?
I see, well the only limiting factor for Ten here is that his best AoE is from the Kikoho, which he can only do a limited amount before dying. The Kamehameha can make massive explosions too though, which he can and has pulled off easily. So he could just repeatedly wipe out the clones and OOO until the medals run out, heck he could do it while they're in the middle of regenerating.
Not knowing what Ten's would do exactly, but more or less alert him that "Hey, there's a big spike of life energy right here, at this specific spot, be alert" sort of thing. It gives him a heads up before Ten fires off.
Probably the latter due to seeing Supe getting One-shot'd and maybe sensing Ten's Ki.
Kiai shout, fair, eye beam should be similar case to Dodon Ray imo where he should know something's up from sensing the ki focusing up and prep for it. 50/50 on whether Ten could fire or OOO could stop it in time (for most ki moves that aren't instant) and it really depends on the range and what form OOO's in current. Does the eye beam required Ten to have his eyes open? OOO's Lion head piece could blind him before it goes off, if so(the Lion head blinds by releasing an intense bright light). If it's during any of the forms that can fly (so any forms that has the Kujaku body piece or PuToTyra) he'd probably going to try to fly away from sight, unless it's directly point blank. If it's on SaGoZo, he could gravity manip down both the beam and Ten, unless it's directly point blank or really close. These should also works for Dodon Ray too.
Fair enough.
Wouldn't know, consider that Shin-Kikoho as itself is enough to keep Semi-Perfect Cell at bay who's way beyond Cell Saga Ten, I could see it potentially happening? Unsure how that would work against an VM/EE attack though. I do see the Kikoho pushing OOO back each hit however. Other than that, 50/50.
Only drawback is the time it take to charge it up. I also don't think Ten would be able to take out every clones imo, cause they all should still sense Ten's ki charging up so some of them might attempt to spread out preemptively(they can all think independently, think of them as a Naruto Multi-shadow clones) and continue cloning if anything. Has Ten shown to charge the Kamehameha while moving? I have seen some ***** that Goku does, but haven't seen much on Ten's. If he could, that would make it bit harder for the clones.
Alright.
It shoots out of his third eye, which is always open.
If it hits OOO, would the medals still shield him?
He only used the Kamehameha specifically once while standing still, but he definitely can.
These all are viable wincons.
I see. Should be similar case with the other ki moves then.
If you meant the purple core medal, it should be able to help mitigate the damages, not completely disperse it due to the sheer size, so OOO still taking damage. If he's in PuToTyra already, in that case, unsure. He does have 4 other purple core medal inside of him, so theoretically, it should still work.
Fair enough.
Well, in that case, any undispersed damage should still oneshot him.
Your average Greeed should still be able to fully regen so long as their main core medal that houses their mind are intact. That said, OOO's a bit weird case considering he's not fully Greeed yet so I'm 50/50 on OOO surviving a full vaporize hit or not, as OOO is only one or so decision away from fully turning Greeed.
Aye , you were a worthy opponent.
Coinflip decides who moves on
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