5-B Planet Tiersetter Tournament Semi Finals Match 2: Tien Shinhan vs Uzi Doorman (3-14-0) GRACE STARTED

[Soul80]

The duranged. In my opinion I don’t think it’s fair to scale all the solvers abilites to nulls range especially since her range justification only shows feats from null. The only real proof is a screenshot from glitch inn wirh no contrxt that’s a maybe canon at best

Those already disproved by the same beam , and you also ignored the same justification of kirua btw

 

[Soul80]

I mean, this scene seems to depict her using some form of light to see. I dunno what we're doing anymore.

I don't know much we're going to mention the same Plot-Induced Stupidity in this thread
But well, first it seems just visual since we already know that solver should just analysing objects around themsel as Niko showed, the second is that she still getting used to her new limbs after episode 4

 

[RealDuker98]

There’s an entire species that kill drones with light based stuns. Please drop this point

This is just a very bad arg given the fact that Tessa states that the sentinels were designed by humans to specifically Bootloop the worker drones. So it's a special type of light doing that.

 

[RealDuker98]

yes because toying around with someone is instantly killing them , all while you desperatley need something from the to prevent yourself from dying painfully

Just stop buddy. If you literally watch the next few scenes you can see she is literally toying with them.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Damn how tf did THIS get to 9 pages over night

 

[RealDuker98]

The duranged. In my opinion I don’t think it’s fair to scale all the solvers abilites to nulls range especially since her range justification only shows feats from null. The only real proof is a screenshot from glitch inn wirh no contrxt that’s a maybe canon at best

You're constantly ignoring every ******* thing provided by us or dismissing it as "vague" when the context is implying something else.

YOU WERE GIVEN ANOTHER IMAGE BEFORE THIS WHICH WAS THE SOLVERS TRANSLATE, ROTATE, SCALE(THE SYMBOL THEY USE THE CRUSH/SHRINK THINGS OUT OF EXISTANCE) ABILITIES WHICH PLAYS RIGHT BEFORE THIS IMAGE. THEY ALL ARE "Manipulators". HENCE, "Global Manipulator" IMPLIES THAT SHE CAN USE HER SYMBOLS FROM A PLANETARY RANGE AWAY.

As you can see, I already gave you the context.

 

[RealDuker98]

Damn how tf did THIS get to 9 pages over night

When I went to sleep it was like 3-4 pages lol 10 hours later I see this

 

[RealDuker98]

THAT'S WHY HER PF STATES "Via AbsoluteSolver" AND NOT "via [NULL]"

Also ignored this

 

[Masonic9+2]

I have Uzi Doorman winning this: Due to her Hax, as we know. Tien has no resistance towards these haxs, meaning that he cannot negated them. Also Tien might be physically stronger. But her defense just gives her the more wincons in the fight

 

[Thunderman101]

This is just a very bad arg given the fact that Tessa states that the sentinels were designed by humans to specifically Bootloop the worker drones. So it's a special type of light doing that.

Also ignored this

You're constantly ignoring every ******* thing provided by us or dismissing it as "vague" when the context is implying something else.

As you can see, I already gave you the context.

chill man

1. It still proves they can percive and react to light, even if its a special one

Also ignored this

the profile isint nessicarily always correct, both of the feats are via null and nothing else, youre using association fallacy to justify it

You're constantly ignoring every ******* thing provided by us or dismissing it as "vague" when the context is implying something else.

As you can see, I already gave you the context.

glitch in is stated to be cannon where? Also no profile????

 

[Thunderman101]

bro Uzi literally just spawns a black hole in Tien and he f*cking dies. She doesn't need line of sight to do that, and she can dish them out pretty f*cking fast (yes I know this is technically Cyn here but Uzi scales so it doesn't matter).

youre contradicting yourself by showing her throwing them while talking about spawning. Can she een do that with black holes though, i thought it was tk only

are we forgetting tin knows she can do that, both contestants get to see prior matches. You need to prove she dosent need line of sight

 

[Thunderman101]

From the previous pages, idk who said it's 9 frames (30fps).


Rq before i go, here we see drones can detect and scan presences and trails even if they can't see.



And here's the funny part, they don't have receptors at all, they're literal TV projector

all of these links are broken.

Make a crt

get it accepted

 

[Thunderman101]

You're constantly ignoring every ******* thing provided by us or dismissing it as "vague" when the context is implying something else.

As you can see, I already gave you the context.

prove glitch in is canon thats it. And if it is why isint it on her profile. As well as resistance to light manipulation. And may i mention on her profile all her solver feats are explicitly done using null, you cant argue every aspect of it will work because one will

 

[Rex_Eckles]

From the previous pages, idk who said it's 9 frames (30fps).

So, about as long as to fire a Dodon Ray. If Ten fires off one first, can she dodge and summon at the same time?

Rq before i go, here we see drones can detect and scan presences and trails even if they can't see.

So, like ki sensing. The Solar Flare is still effective despite that.

 

[Thunderman101]

voting tienshinhan fra

 

[RealDuker98]

1. It still proves they can percive and react to light, even if its a special one

And that proves how it affects full machines.

Even if you do, the drones can still scan and detect without vision

the profile isint nessicarily always correct, both of the feats are via null and nothing else, youre using association fallacy to justify it

Well too ******* bad because that's how we do shit in this wiki

If it was only the nulls that did it then it should specify, however it doesn't.

prove glitch in is canon thats it.

I can't upload images/videos here so I'll put them in this doc
The above two images are official concept art from Liam himself that are available in Glitch Inn, giving us an interpretation of how absolutesolver powers work, proving that stuff like this in Glitch Inn should be applicable within the show. The specific powers in question are Translate, Rotate, Scale and Edit functions.

The video provided above opens with the same functions as stated in the concept art(Translate, Rotate, Scale and Edit), exactly the 4 symbols of the AbsoluteSolver. At the 0:13 mark, the video shows the exact same thing the concept arts were trying to depict. 0:19 mark has the 4 symbols once again in the solverstatus.exe part, but more importantly, Global Manipulator(which implies these abilities work on a Planetary range) includes SCA-XYZ. "SCA" here is obviously short for scale(The same symbol doll and uzi use for dura neg) and x,y,z are obv axis.

And if it is why isint it on her profile.

Because it is axiomatic.

And may i mention on her profile all her solver feats are explicitly done using null, you cant argue every aspect of it will work because one will

Again too bad, should've stated via [NULL].

 

[Thunderman101]

And that proves how it affects full machines.

Even if you do, the drones can still scan and detect without vision


Well too ******* bad because that's how we do shit in this wiki

If it was only the nulls that did it then it should specify, however it doesn't.

I can't upload images/videos here so I'll put them in this doc
The above two images are official concept art from Liam himself that are available in Glitch Inn, giving us an interpretation of how absolutesolver powers work, proving that stuff like this in Glitch Inn should be applicable within the show. The specific powers in question are Translate, Rotate, Scale and Edit functions.

The video provided above opens with the same functions as stated in the concept art(Translate, Rotate, Scale and Edit), exactly the 4 symbols of the AbsoluteSolver. At the 0:13 mark, the video shows the exact same thing the concept arts were trying to depict. 0:19 mark has the 4 symbols once again in the solverstatus.exe part, but more importantly, Global Manipulator(which implies these abilities work on a Planetary range) includes SCA-XYZ. "SCA" here is obviously short for scale(The same symbol doll and uzi use for dura neg) and x,y,z are obv axis.

Because it is axiomatic.

Again too bad, should've stated via [NULL].

well then by your lgoci her profile should have resistance to light manipulation or something similar to prove she can resist solar flare. If not then tough luck

Youre not seriously arguing that concept art makes smth canon

 

[RealDuker98]

If Ten fires off one first, can she dodge and summon at the same time?

I mean I don't know how speed equalization exactly works so probably given ep 8 final fight involved a lot of dodging from either side.

But ignoring this Uzi can also use her forcefield.

 

[RealDuker98]

Voting Uzi fra

 

[Thunderman101]

well then by your lgoci her profile should have resistance to light manipulation or something similar to prove she can resist solar flare. If not then tough luck

Youre not seriously arguing that concept art makes smth canon

adress me

i dont see why tien couldnt just stay out of her line of sight to avoid being nulled, especially since he knows thats what shes gonna open with when seing prior matches

 

[RealDuker98]

well then by your lgoci her profile should have resistance to light manipulation or something similar to prove she can resist solar flare. If not then tough luck

See here's the thing. I'll let someone else whose more knowledgeable on Tien's abilities answer this.

Youre not seriously arguing that concept art makes smth canon

That's not what I argued. I argued that Glitch Inn uses Liam's own concept art(which we see is actually true within the series) to provide extra information about the show.

i dont see why tien couldnt just stay out of her line of sight to avoid being nulled, especially since he knows thats what shes gonna open with when seing prior matches

I mean I can say the same thing about Uzi.

 

[Soul80]

all of these links are broken.

Make a crt

get it accepted

Get a new phone then lol
Still following Occam razor

 

[Thunderman101]

Get a new phone then lol
Still following Occam razor

????

 

[Thunderman101]

See here's the thing. I'll let someone else whose more knowledgeable on Tien's abilities answer this.


That's not what I argued. I argued that Glitch Inn uses Liam's own concept art(which we see is actually true within the series) to provide extra information about the show.

I mean I can say the same thing about Uzi.

ad hominem

fair

fair, but my point is tienshin han would know to avoid the thing uzi starts with

 

[RealDuker98]

????

Links work for us.

Therefore, soul is implying something is wrong on your side.

 

[Thunderman101]

Links work for us.

Therefore, soul is implying something is wrong on your side.

oh

 

[RealDuker98]

ad hominem

How?

fair, but my point is tienshin han would know to avoid the thing uzi starts with

Again so would Uzi, since she knows she's outclassed(regardless of what Tien starts with).

 

[Soul80]

????

"Make CRT" "make CRT" you literally just spawning the same argument all bc you can't see anything filho
Anyway

 

[Soul80]

Let's just conclude, cuz a time limit for a arguing is already ended.

I'll vote Uzi

 

[Thunderman101]

How?

Again so would Uzi, since she knows she's outclassed(regardless of what Tien starts with).

you deflected by me saying that uzi has nothing on her profile sayign she can resist the solar flair by calling me inexperienced on tiens power

"Make CRT" "make CRT" you literally just spawning the same argument all bc you can't see anything filho
Anyway

If all this stuff is really proven that she can see past solar flare, then it should be on her profile.

if not then cant be used

 

[Masonic9+2]

I vote for UZIIIIIII

 

[Kirua29]

So, now it's time to vote, I think, I'm voting for Uzi.

 

[MannyQ361]

I mean I don't know how speed equalization exactly works so probably given ep 8 final fight involved a lot of dodging from either side.

But ignoring this Uzi can also use her forcefield.

Tien can try faking her out. Her forcefield may not be enough to block Kikoho, which is stronger than the Kamehameha, which can do this to stronger opponents.

 

[RealDuker98]

you deflected by me saying that uzi has nothing on her profile sayign she can resist the solar flair by calling me inexperienced on tiens power

No dawg. I meant an Uzi supporter who's more experienced than me to combat you regarding Tien's ability.

 

[Thunderman101]

No dawg. I meant an Uzi supporter who's more experienced than me to combat you regarding Tien's ability.

ohhhhh, ok sorry for the misunderstanding

I feel like ive been a bit toxic in this thread so sorry bout that

 

[Niko]

War, war never change-

all of these links are broken.

Imgur hates mobile so much

So, about as long as to fire a Dodon Ray. If Ten fires off one first, can she dodge and summon at the same time?

She has good instinctive action like she did at the end of episode 4.

So, like ki sensing. The Solar Flare is still effective despite that.

Don't think so, unless solar flare can bootloop like the sentinel's (they aren't normal flashing lights)

 

[Thunderman101]

anyways unless uzi has that solar flair/light manip resistance on her profile, we can assume it works on her just like were assuming that all of the solvers abilites work on the planetary range despite it being just null thats shown to do that.

 

[RealDuker98]

Tien can try faking her out. Her forcefield may not be enough to block Kikoho, which is stronger than the Kamehameha, which can do this to stronger opponents.

Idk about the faking her out thing, but Uzi scales to Cyn who can make illusions herself. So she can try doing something similar.

As for the forcefield, Uzi's value submitted was 701 ZT while Tien's is 1.5 YT. So it's only a 2.1 difference in AP. And Doll's forcefield blocked multiple shots from V's gun which one shotted Doll later on.

 

[Thunderman101]

Idk about the faking her out thing, but Uzi scales to Cyn who can make illusions herself. So she can try doing something similar.

As for the forcefield, Uzi's value submitted was 701 ZT while Tien's is 1.5 YT. So it's only a 2.1 difference in AP. And Doll's forcefield blocked multiple shots from V's gun which one shotted Doll later on.

has uzi ever used these illusions or forcefields in combat

 

[Niko]

I'm voting for Uzi.

Still more hax even if both Tien and her have prior knowledge.
Has flight advantage.
Casting time is roughly the same.
Although Tien surpassed master level of martial arts and has great reaction, Uzi's instincts and her combat can keep up and adapt like she did in Episode 4 and 8.