Possible level 5-B in MHA (collection and analysis)

[GodlyCharmander]

for all this i like how you explicitly left out where shigaraki specifically states NICE AND DOWN DEEP (Referring to your counter args against mine when talking about the japan statement)

meaning hes not referring to the SURFACE of japan he means the ENTIRE LAND MASS (height, width, length and all)

If "deep" doesn't mean "to the center of the earth", that's still considered "surface".

Also I think a surface wipe is fine as a mid ball since it seems extremely consistent anyway but we can be generous and if we high ball thats easy 5-B.

That's not 5-B because it took him a week to do Japan.

Also as for your arguments about the time frame that assumes decay should follow the rules of ISL which in the past when shigaraki destroyed a city it was going at the same speed for a while either showing that its slowing down rate is extremely slow or it just doesn't slow down at all but thats a possibly rather then a for sure but it does suggest that decays slowing speed over time is EXTREMELY slow.

No Limits Fallacy. Because it slowed down a bit for a city, you assume the rate would stay the same for a planet (surface area is probably tens of thousands times higher)

 

[Yunoo]

Where's your proof for all of this? Without deep context, you can throw these statements out and say it's too flowery , and proof for games?
Prove the games affect the main story??


So we're taking Databook statements as factual proof? You know... Databooks can contradict whats written in the original source material right? Prove the databooks don't fully contradict.


And this.. doesn't add much why would he scale to his Hax? Decay is dura neg. Every time he uses it, he's negating durability.

Anyways final thoughts,
Disagree with AP and DC once again
The most you're getting here is range.

The databook simply describes Shigaraki's desire as destroying the world itself, something the final arc emphasizes far too often, even in the game. It doesn't contradict anything

 

[JoeDM021]

Where's your proof for all of this? Without deep context, you can throw these statements out and say it's too flowery , and proof for games?
Prove the games affect the main story??


So we're taking Databook statements as factual proof? You know... Databooks can contradict whats written in the original source material right? Prove the databooks don't fully contradict.

thats for the OP to prove not me im js arguing against what @GodlyCharmander provided so ask them instead

And this.. doesn't add much why would he scale to his Hax? Decay is dura neg. Every time he uses it, he's negating durability.

Anyways final thoughts,
Disagree with AP and DC once again
The most you're getting here is range.

As for this thats an entirely different discussion warranting another thread probably

 

[GodlyCharmander]

The databook simply describes Shigaraki's desire as destroying the world itself, something the final arc emphasizes far too often, even in the game.

The world =/= the celestial body.

It doesn't contradict anything

It doesn't need to contradict an interpretation you made up in your head.

 

[JoeDM021]

If "deep" doesn't mean "to the center of the earth", that's still considered "surface".

Gng you were just arguing for it possibly just meaning the surface of japan now your specifying it against 5-B? stop switching up your args every 5 seconds

That's not 5-B because it took him a week to do Japan.

Oh god not that ASSSSSS statement again (I really need to debunk that shi)

It wouldn't even take him a week he explicitly even contradicts himself by saying he'd destroy a huge chunk of a prefecture in the blink of an eye and going by your logic the week statement should be invalid too since it could be longer or shorter for all we know due to ISL.

But either way I literally agreed that a surface wipe is fine as the mid ball here and js high balling for 5-B is fine

No Limits Fallacy. Because it slowed down a bit for a city, you assume the rate would stay the same for a planet (surface area is probably tens of thousands times higher)

Notice how I specify "maybe" and or "probably" im just showing the fact that decay has been shown to not slow down as quickly as you think it would so thats up for discussion

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

thats for the OP to prove not me im js arguing against what @GodlyCharmander provided so ask them instead

As for this thats an entirely different discussion warranting another thread probably

What's another thread
Decay = Dura neg?
It'll still be hax.

The databook simply describes Shigaraki's desire as destroying the world itself, something the final arc emphasizes far too often, even in the game. It doesn't contradict anything

"World" flowery language that can mean ANYTHING can world mean anything , you have no proof it's mentioning the celestial body. No time frame either.
You'll get range
Also once again, prove the databooks don't contradict anything.
Otherwise this is headcanon, and it goes against what we seen in the story and know.
Why are we conflating the word world so much? Yes it can mean anything but it's heavily context dependant. Otherwise we can give characters that just mention the word "world" way higher tiers than what they already are. H6A can also affect the world yk? Until enough context is given, we don't give them 5B 5A or higher when they have no backing of statements of showing
Also, if it took Shigaraki a week to destroy Japan or whatever (almost) why would he suddenly have the full ap to nuke the planet? Once again, the narrative implies what we see and you'll still get 5B range, otherwise let's give other characters higher tiers for having the same statements that can be flowery without much context!

 

[JoeDM021]

What's another thread
Decay = Dura neg?
It'll still be hax.

Whether decay can have ap or not but like i said that warrants another thread so i wont bother discussing that here

 

[Yunoo]

La palabra "planeta" no se utiliza ni una sola vez. El La intención de hacer algo no es evidencia de capacidad.

Literalmente lo he abordado. Él es targeting la Tierra. Apuntar a algo no es evidencia de capacidad.

Nunca demostraste que Dark Might tenía el poder de matar de un solo golpe al planeta. Dark Might es a nivel de país.

No lo necesito, la narrativa y la historia funcionan perfectamente bien con un villano final que borra a la sociedad del mapa.


Claro, pero "dejar" un mundo implica que el mundo todavía existe, lo cual no es algo que la destrucción 5-B haría.
Además, no hay plazo.

Nunca negué la destrucción física, negué que el alcance incluyera el núcleo y la destrucción literal del planeta en varios pedazos a través del espacio, lo cual es una NECESIDAD para 5-B.

Claro, el juego tiene las mismas declaraciones que el programa, no tiene sentido.

Eso es literalmente lo que dije, pero “destrucción total” no es lo que crees que significa.

Esa es una afirmación diferente que sólo aclara la de Shigaraki intención para apuntar a la Tierra.

La afirmación que refuté se refería a la novela, que utiliza una tierra en minúsculas. Concede a eso.

Estoy seguro de que puedes leer este escaneo, ya que fuiste tú quien lo envió.

Realmente no lo es.

Aclaré que "la destrucción del mundo" ha varias interpretaciones que pueden variar desde 5-B hasta maldito 7-B, Estas afirmaciones por sí solas no funcionan como evidencia de la estratificación planetaria. No has podido proporcionar el contexto para 5-B.

Nunca probaste el marco temporal (la destrucción debe ser instantánea)
Nunca se demostró el alcance (la destrucción debe ser instantánea y debe afectar a todo el volumen del planeta)
Nunca probaste la escala (la destrucción debe ser instantánea, debe afectar todo el volumen del planeta y sus piezas deben dispersarse y no volver a unirse nunca más)


Se acabó.

El escaneo proporcionado por el libro de datos dice explícitamente "el mundo mismo" y excluye a la sociedad; sólo puede referirse al planeta. Los escaneos posteriores dicen "la tierra misma"; reforzando el hecho de que se refiere al planeta. No hay nada más que demostrar. La evidencia es clara y suficiente para asumir que es el planeta, a menos que quieras negar algo obvio.

La diferencia Después del arco estelar, los héroes afirman que obtuvieron los datos físicos y peculiares de Shigaraki y crearon el UA flotante. ¿Por qué? Para evitar la destrucción del planeta. Es algo que los propios personajes tienen claro.

La peculiaridad de La obra misma establece la capacidad destructiva de una peculiaridad, y el hecho de que puedan absorber su poder sin morir sirve para la escala física.

Shigaraki nunca dice que lo "dejará", dice que NO DEJARÁ que se recupere, el daño es irreversible.

La declaración se refiere al poder de Shigaraki. Como dije, el UA flotante fue creado porque su poder podía destruir el mundo, y por eso fue creado; para que la Tierra no fuera destruida. La propia obra toma conciencia de ello tras analizar el cuerpo físico y sus peculiaridades, y por eso determina que tiene ese poder.

A nadie le importa si esas afirmaciones pueden existir desde el nivel 7-B, los personajes de MHA superan el nivel 7-B y obtienen esas menciones después de hazañas superiores a esa. Todas las menciones se refieren al poder de All Might para destruir el mundo, y Shigaraki solo recibe esas menciones después de obtener su fuerza física en su mejor momento. La obra es consciente de ello y mantiene siempre esa narrativa, porque antes de eso no hay declaración planetaria.

The time frame can be encompassed using the time provided by Shigaraki when he says he can destroy 200km in an instant. And to give you an idea, giving Shigaraki a 2-second head start is considered an eternity. Using the "blink of an eye" framework already places planetary destruction within a very short, not a long, timeframe

And yes, the game gains weight in its mentions, because they were all verified and confirmed with Horikoshi's help.

 

[Yunoo]

El mundo =/= el cuerpo celeste.

No tiene por qué contradecir una interpretación que inventaste en tu cabeza.

Saying that the world itself ≠ celestial body (the planet) is just your own stupidity jsksjdjsjsjdjds

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Gng you were just arguing for it possibly just meaning the surface of japan now your specifying it against 5-B? stop switching up your args every 5 seconds

It's the same argument. The surface of a country includes the entire land mass, which often does include in the soil beneath it. It stops just before the mantle. I'm saying "deep down" does not exclude "surface-wiping."

Oh god not that ASSSSSS statement again (I really need to debunk that shi)

It wouldn't even take him a week he explicitly even contradicts himself by saying he'd destroy a huge chunk of a prefecture in the blink of an eye and going by your logic the week statement should be invalid too since it could be longer or shorter for all we know due to ISL.

I only have two references of the baseline speed of decay, they can't contradict each other unless a third entry is introduced.

But either way I literally agreed that a surface wipe is fine as the mid ball here and js high balling for 5-B is fine

Destroying a much smaller structure in a blink of an eye is not a contradiction to destroying a much bigger country in a week.
Highballing to 5-B is not fine fra.

Notice how I specify "maybe" and or "probably" im just showing the fact that decay has been shown to not slow down as quickly as you think it would so thats up for discussion

Decay slows down significantly the further it gets from it user. This alone refutes the idea of 5-B.

 

[AthelChan]

Agreed on Planetary range/ED
Disagree on AP FRA

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

No because he isn't decaying the planet to nothingness, he doesn't want to kill all of his friends and we know bro wants to be a hero to those overlooked by society, he simply isn't trying to nuke the planet and the "world" he's aiming to destroy the foundations built up by the society that caused those like him to go overlooked. His goal isn't some elaborate murder suicide of the planet that's gonna leave him with nothing either.

Can you ping @Damage3245 @Maverick_Zero_X @Therefir and @TheRustyOne to complete the MHA staffs please

 

[Yunoo]

What's another thread
Decay = Dura neg?
It'll still be hax.


"World" flowery language that can mean ANYTHING can world mean anything , you have no proof it's mentioning the celestial body. No time frame either.
You'll get range
Also once again, prove the databooks don't contradict anything.
Otherwise this is headcanon, and it goes against what we seen in the story and know.
Why are we conflating the word world so much? Yes it can mean anything but it's heavily context dependant. Otherwise we can give characters that just mention the word "world" way higher tiers than what they already are. H6A can also affect the world yk? Until enough context is given, we don't give them 5B 5A or higher when they have no backing of statements of showing
Also, if it took Shigaraki a week to destroy Japan or whatever (almost) why would he suddenly have the full ap to nuke the planet? Once again, the narrative implies what we see and you'll still get 5B range, otherwise let's give other characters higher tiers for having the same statements that can be flowery without much context!

El escaneo del libro de datos separa literalmente a la sociedad del mundo y dice explícitamente "la Tierra misma" No puede ser otra cosa que el planeta. (And if you search "what does 'earth itself' mean?" you will find that it refers to the planet). " 'Earth itself' usually refers to the physical planet-"

The characters in My Hero Academia, like Deku, who are in High 6-A, They do not use planetary references.. Their use is consistent with their characters because these references have context and make sense.
The thing about Japan is wrong, because if he says "a week," the problem with reading "a week" as the speed of the decay is that it doesn't fit with what Shigaraki says right before. He tells Deku that his quirk spreads downwards in a domino effect and claims he can make a part of Shizuoka disappear "in the blink of an eye," and then we're told they were at least 200 km away. That magnitude of propagation implies that, if he could sustain it, all of Japan would fall much faster than in a week. So, when he immediately adds that "in a week there will be nothing left but sea and sky," you can't read it as "my decay takes a week to work," because that would contradict what came before. If a huge portion of a prefecture hundreds of kilometers away can be erased almost instantly under that same logic... then the week isn't describing the actual performance of the power. Since those two ideas aren't compatible, the only way for the dialogue to be coherent is if the second idea is conditioned by something the first isn't. And that "something" is the fight: Deku is holding him back and preventing him from continuously applying Decay to the ground. The statement is meant to be read as: "With how little I can expand my Quirk under these conditions, if this keeps up, it will take me a week to destroy Japan." It can even be understood that Shigaraki is projecting that time based on the stamina he expects from Deku, who in the Dark Hero arc continued patrolling for almost a month while in terrible physical condition. This estimate doesn't need to be exact; what's important is that it's contextualized within that dynamic. Literally in the next chapter, when Shigaraki manages to apply his Decay more freely, the narrator indicates that Japan was "about to be destroyed," proving the previously proposed interpretation correct.

 

[Dalesean027]

Can you ping @Damage3245 @Maverick_Zero_X @Therefir and @TheRustyOne to complete the MHA staffs please

@Damage3245 @Maverick_Zero_X @Therefir @TheRustyOne

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

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"About to be" wasn't, no literal statements that he was going to nuke the planet with his hax which is once again range, what you sent can still be considered flowery.
Yea no, "uses planetary references" proof? Because.. world can once again mean anything. Burden of proof is on you to gather the proof it's talking about the whole planet ↓
If you want 5B as I said you're getting range (if even so)

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What are your thoughts on range? That's the only way I can see this

 

[JoeDM021]

It's the same argument. The surface of a country includes the entire land mass, which often does include in the soil beneath it. It stops just before the mantle. I'm saying "deep down" does not exclude "surface-wiping."

You explicitly say "down to the core of the earth" which is not what I'm referring to I'm saying shigaraki is going to destroy Japan as in height, width, and length in full with the down deep statement its easy to infer this. So yes we both agree it can be a surface wipe? good.

I only have two references of the baseline speed of decay, they can't contradict each other unless a third entry is introduced.

Your gonna have to show both of those pal.

Destroying a much smaller structure in a blink of an eye is not a contradiction to destroying a much bigger country in a week.
Highballing to 5-B is not fine fra.

It literally is a contradiction cause going by calculation this would mean he could destroy Japan in roughly 14 seconds by my calculations if he could destroy a huge chunk of the shizuoka prefecture in the blink of an eye which 14 seconds is way way WAYYYYYY faster then a week so going off that immediately contradicts the notion and like I said its harder for shigaraki to predict how long its gonna take for him to decay something huge but easier for him to note the immediate destruction of decay hence making the blink of an eye statement easier to believe then the week statement and contradicting the statement as well with math.

Also i'd like to specify the games change it to him flattening the planet within a week instead showing that they mean that rather then japan contradicting the notion even further that he needed a week to destroy japan. (Ill go into more detail of the debunk in a new thread later).

As for the highballing to 5-B thing you do know what high balling means right? it means making a couple assumptions for it to work out which the only assumptions we are making is that when he means "nice and down deep" he means to the very earths core as well as assuming decay has the same speed. Those are two assumptions gng but yea Im literally fine with surface wiping as the mid ball here so stop leaving that out /

Decay slows down significantly the further it gets from it user. This alone refutes the idea of 5-B.

Ehh not really cause I literally brought up the city decay as an example and it barely slowed down there if at all arguably since you wanna bring this specific argument up. It only stopped because its range back then was MUCH less then it is now.

 

[JoeDM021]

Im going to sleep its getting late for me

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Saying that the world itself ≠ celestial body (the planet) is just your own stupidity jsksjdjsjsjdjds

Insult me again and I will report you.

El escaneo proporcionado por el libro de datos dice explícitamente "el mundo mismo" y excluye a la sociedad; sólo puede referirse al planeta. Los escaneos posteriores dicen "la tierra misma"; reforzando el hecho de que se refiere al planeta. No hay nada más que demostrar. La evidencia es clara y suficiente para asumir que es el planeta, a menos que quieras negar algo obvio.

"world" isn't planet unless in context.

I don't care about Shigaraki's intent, you don't get a rating by intending to do something. All the scan proves is what Shigaraki desires.

La diferencia Después del arco estelar, los héroes afirman que obtuvieron los datos físicos y peculiares de Shigaraki y crearon el UA flotante. ¿Por qué? Para evitar la destrucción del planeta. Es algo que los propios personajes tienen claro.

The destruction of the surface would already fulfill the description of "the world". Timeframe.

La peculiaridad de La obra misma establece la capacidad destructiva de una peculiaridad, y el hecho de que puedan absorber su poder sin morir sirve para la escala física.

My spanish is not good enough to understand this one, use English.

Shigaraki nunca dice que lo "dejará", dice que NO DEJARÁ que se recupere, el daño es irreversible.

You're lying now.

"When I say I want to destroy everything, I mean... I will leave the world with no hope of recovery"

Luckily for you, I can break this down to the most technical level I can possibly muster.

"When I say I want to destroy everything"
Here "when I say" marks a clarification of intent, Shigaraki is referring to previous statements talking about destroying the world, so this one statement gives context to all of your scans.
"destroy everything" is hyperbolic scope as in Japanese writing this often signals a total societal collapse, where "everything" here inherits the context of the show including the human world with cities, systems, and people.
"I mean..." works as a semantic narrowing operator, as he transitions to replace the vague "destroy everything' with a more precise definition, establishing that whatever follows it will override the literal interpretation of "everything"

"I'll leave this world"
This is the big one. The verb "leave' is used, it presupposes the continued existence of the object being left. The object in the sentence is "world."
In formal semantics, "leave (X)" entails that agent A departs from location/system X, as X remains as a referential entity after the event.

X = "this world".

If X ceased to exist, "leave X" would automatically become undefined. One cannot exit a null set. Therefore, "leave this world' MUST, but definition, encode post-action persistence of "this world". Recovery presupposes a system still exists, and the system is in a degraded state.

La declaración se refiere al poder de Shigaraki. Como dije, el UA flotante fue creado porque su poder podía destruir el mundo, y por eso fue creado; para que la Tierra no fuera destruida. La propia obra toma conciencia de ello tras analizar el cuerpo físico y sus peculiaridades, y por eso determina que tiene ese poder.

A nadie le importa si esas afirmaciones pueden existir desde el nivel 7-B

You're really foreign to the concept of "examples", huh?

The time frame can be encompassed using the time provided by Shigaraki when he says he can destroy 200km in an instant. And to give you an idea, giving Shigaraki a 2-second head start is considered an eternity. Using the "blink of an eye" framework already places planetary destruction within a very short, not a long, timeframe

Destroying 200km in a "blink of an eye" =/= destroying 40000km in a blink of an eye.

They have quite the large gap of distance.

And yes, the game gains weight in its mentions, because they were all verified and confirmed with Horikoshi's help.

So were the lines in the manga and the movies, they're all equal-ly worthless.

 

[Robo432343]

looks like op cant defend planetary range either so gotta disagree with that

 

[GodlyCharmander]

It literally is a contradiction cause going by calculation

Your calculations are wrong. It would only take 14 seconds if the speed rate was the same regardless of the distance, it isn't. Your calc goes off an incorrect assumption, you can't call your own shortcomings a contradiction of the story.

 

[Yunoo]

Insult me again and I will report you.


"world" isn't planet unless in context.

I don't care about Shigaraki's intent, you don't get a rating by intending to do something. All the scan proves is what Shigaraki desires.

The destruction of the surface would already fulfill the description of "the world". Timeframe.


My spanish is not good enough to understand this one, use English.


You're lying now.

"When I say I want to destroy everything, I mean... I will leave the world with no hope of recovery"

Luckily for you, I can break this down to the most technical level I can possibly muster.

"When I say I want to destroy everything"
Here "when I say" marks a clarification of intent, Shigaraki is referring to previous statements talking about destroying the world, so this one statement gives context to all of your scans.
"destroy everything" is hyperbolic scope as in Japanese writing this often signals a total societal collapse, where "everything" here inherits the context of the show including the human world with cities, systems, and people.
"I mean..." works as a semantic narrowing operator, as he transitions to replace the vague "destroy everything' with a more precise definition, establishing that whatever follows it will override the literal interpretation of "everything"

"I'll leave this world"
This is the big one. The verb "leave' is used, it presupposes the continued existence of the object being left. The object in the sentence is "world."
En semántica formal, "salir (X)" implica que el agente A se aleja de la ubicación/sistema X, ya que X permanece como entidad referencial después del evento.

X = "este mundo".

Si X dejara de existir, "dejar X" quedaría automáticamente indefinido. No se puede salir de un conjunto nulo. Por lo tanto, "dejar este mundo" DEBE, pero la definición, codificar la persistencia posterior a la acción de "este mundo". La recuperación presupone que un sistema todavía existe y que el sistema se encuentra en un estado degradado.

Eres realmente ajeno al concepto de "ejemplos", ¿eh?


Destruir 200 km en un abrir y cerrar de ojos =/= destruir 40.000 km en un abrir y cerrar de ojos.

Tienen una distancia bastante grande.



Lo mismo ocurre con las líneas del manga y las películas, todas son igualmente inútiles.

Here it is translated into English: The peculiarity of The work itself establishes the destructive capacity of a peculiarity, and the fact that they can absorb its power without dying serves for the physical scale.

Implementing the semantics and interpretations of other authors and works is irrelevant here. You cannot use examples from other manga outside the context of My Hero Academia. Saying that "destroying everything" is hyperbolic just because you see it that way is silly. The manga emphasizes it in a way that makes it impossible for it to be hyperbole, thanks to the Decay.

The story doesn't just focus on Shigaraki's desires; it also takes into account his power and abilities. This is emphasized from the very beginning of the Final War arc.

What does the destruction of the surface have to do with it? The work depicts the destruction of everything, not just the surface. I don't know what you're trying to get at; the work doesn't share that view.

Nobody said it would destroy the planet in the blink of an eye. I said it can be used as a timeframe to buy some time. With a simple calculation, one can determine how long it would take Shigaraki to destroy the world, and it would be a very short time.

 

[Yunoo]

So were the lines in the manga and the movies, they're all equal-ly worthless.

And by the way, the movies and the game remain consistent and can be used. It doesn't contradict anything and is just another work by the author.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Nobody said it would destroy the planet in the blink of an eye. I said it can be used as a timeframe to buy some time. With a simple calculation, one can determine how long it would take Shigaraki to destroy the world, and it would be a very short time.

It took him a week to destroy Japan.

The story doesn't just focus on Shigaraki's desires

Never claimed that.

Implementing the semantics

You're focusing on the wrong thing, Shigaraki explicity says there will still be a world after he's done destroying everything. I've given you linguistic proof of that.

The work depicts the destruction of everything

The surface of the planet contains everything Shigaraki has even known. Destroying the surface and everyone in it is "everything". The work does share that view, you're genuinely just misunderstanding it.

And by the way, the movies and the game remain consistent and can be used. It doesn't contradict anything and is just another work by the author.

Congratulations on saying something I already agree with. The statements found in the movies and the games are still nothing.

 

[Yunoo]

"A punto de serlo" no lo era, no había declaraciones literales de que iba a bombardear el planeta con su hax lo cual es una vez más rango, lo que enviaste todavía puede considerarse florido.
Sí, no, ¿prueba de "usa referencias planetarias"? Porque.. el mundo puede una vez más medio cualquier cosa. La carga de la prueba recae sobre ti para reunir la prueba de que está hablando de todo el planeta ↓
Si quieres 5B como dije, obtendrás alcance (si es que lo haces)


¿Qué piensas sobre el alcance? Esa es la única manera en que puedo ver esto

What do "the Earth itself," "the world itself," and "the entire world" mean to you? Because the manga only uses those references to establish the power level. The manga separates society from the world and says that the destruction will spread across the entire Earth. Again, I don't think there's any new reason to believe they're referring to anything other than the planet. My scans are more than enough to prove they're referring to the planet. You can look up the meaning of "the Earth itself" by separating society as the manga does, and that's all. And about the hax, at the end of the first link where I started the explicit thread, I left a clip that demonstrates why Shigaraki necessarily has to scale strictly from Decay. He must withstand his own recoil in order to use Decay; otherwise, he would die and/or be destroyed. In any case, I've already provided my scans to prove that it refers to the planet. The burden of proof now rests with you to prove that it doesn't. You can only use the formats already used (manga, anime, game, databook, novel, etc. (Although I doubt you'll find it, since Ultra Age contradicts the idea that it's not the planet)

 

[AthelChan]

gonna unfollow now that its concluded

 

[GodlyCharmander]

the work doesn't share that view.

I have no idea how I missed that:

SHIGARAKI'S DEFINITION OF DESTRUCTION WOULD STILL LEAVE THE SKY AND THE SEA. HE CLAIMS HE NEEDS A WEEK TO DESTROY JAPAN'S SURFACE AREA.

This is proof he doesn't mean the entire volume of the planet when he says "everything"

Like we have LITERAL PROOF of Shigaraki intending to leave the sea intact, and taking a week to destroy one country. Can we close this?

 

[Yunoo]

It took him a week to destroy Japan.


Never claimed that.


You're focusing on the wrong thing, Shigaraki explicity says there will still be a world after he's done destroying everything. I've given you linguistic proof of that.


The surface of the planet contains everything Shigaraki has even known. Destroying the surface and everyone in it is "everything". The work does share that view, you're genuinely just misunderstanding it.


Congratulations on saying something I already agree with. The statements found in the movies and the games are still nothing.

That's precisely why I mentioned it being in the blink of an eye. Destroying 200km in that time frame completely contradicts the mention of Japan taking a week. In the game, this dialogue is also changed to replace it with "the whole world". Above I gave an argument for why using "one week to destroy Japan" is wrong.

Destroying the surface and everyone on it isn't "everything"; the work emphasizes the planet. I won't repeat this if you can't read the scans provided.

Again, the scans also mention that using Decay will cause irreversible damage. That damage cannot be recovered, undone, or reversed. That's what they mean by destroying the entire world.He wants to destroy the entire world without leaving a trace that it ever existed.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Destroying 200km in that time frame completely contradicts the mention of Japan taking a week.

It doesn't. That just proves his ability has a limit of range, or that the speed slows down significantly once a certain range is reached.

It's only a contradiction if you believe his hax travels at the same speed at all times regardless of distance, which is just not true.

A week to destroy Japan, literal game over to this thread. Close this.

 

[Yunoo]

I have no idea how I missed that:

SHIGARAKI'S DEFINITION OF DESTRUCTION WOULD STILL LEAVE THE SKY AND THE SEA. HE CLAIMS HE NEEDS A WEEK TO DESTROY JAPAN'S SURFACE AREA.

This is proof he doesn't mean the entire volume of the planet when he says "everything"

Like we have LITERAL PROOF of Shigaraki intending to leave the sea intact, and taking a week to destroy one country. Can we close this?

The scan literally contradicts itself because it mentions that Japan is about to be destroyed.

And, The thing about Japan is wrong, because if he says "a week," the problem with reading "a week" as the speed of the decay is that it doesn't fit with what Shigaraki says right before. He tells Deku that his quirk spreads downwards in a domino effect and claims he can make a part of Shizuoka disappear "in the blink of an eye," and then we're told they were at least 200 km away. That magnitude of propagation implies that, if he could sustain it, all of Japan would fall much faster than in a week. So, when he immediately adds that "in a week there will be nothing left but sea and sky," you can't read it as "my decay takes a week to work," because that would contradict what came before. If a huge portion of a prefecture hundreds of kilometers away can be erased almost instantly under that same logic... then the week isn't describing the actual performance of the power. Since those two ideas aren't compatible, the only way for the dialogue to be coherent is if the second idea is conditioned by something the first isn't. And that "something" is the fight: Deku is holding him back and preventing him from continuously applying Decay to the ground. The statement is meant to be read as: "With how little I can expand my Quirk under these conditions, if this continues, it will take me a week to destroy Japan." It can even be understood that Shigaraki is projecting that time based on the stamina he expects from Deku, who in the Dark Hero arc continued patrolling for almost a month in terrible physical condition. This estimate doesn't need to be exact; what's important is that it's contextualized within that dynamic. Literally in the next chapter, when Shigaraki manages to apply his Decay more freely, the narrator indicates that Japan was "about to be destroyed," proving the previously proposed interpretation correct.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

This thread is bad faith and misunderstandings all over the place. Shigaraki never intended to destroy the planet, nor did he ever have the capability to do so at a fast rate, let alone in a manner that would make him 5-B.

You are lacking awareness of the manga in favor of trying to get a rating that does not exist.

Close this.

The scan literally contradicts itself because it mentions that Japan is about to be destroyed.

And, The thing about Japan is wrong, because if he says "a week," the problem with reading "a week" as the speed of the decay is that it doesn't fit with what Shigaraki says right before. He tells Deku that his quirk spreads downwards in a domino effect and claims he can make a part of Shizuoka disappear "in the blink of an eye," and then we're told they were at least 200 km away. That magnitude of propagation implies that, if he could sustain it, all of Japan would fall much faster than in a week. So, when he immediately adds that "in a week there will be nothing left but sea and sky," you can't read it as "my decay takes a week to work," because that would contradict what came before. If a huge portion of a prefecture hundreds of kilometers away can be erased almost instantly under that same logic... then the week isn't describing the actual performance of the power. Since those two ideas aren't compatible, the only way for the dialogue to be coherent is if the second idea is conditioned by something the first isn't. And that "something" is the fight: Deku is holding him back and preventing him from continuously applying Decay to the ground. The statement is meant to be read as: "With how little I can expand my Quirk under these conditions, if this continues, it will take me a week to destroy Japan." It can even be understood that Shigaraki is projecting that time based on the stamina he expects from Deku, who in the Dark Hero arc continued patrolling for almost a month in terrible physical condition. This estimate doesn't need to be exact; what's important is that it's contextualized within that dynamic. Literally in the next chapter, when Shigaraki manages to apply his Decay more freely, the narrator indicates that Japan was "about to be destroyed," proving the previously proposed interpretation correct.

Where is this 200km in an instant statement coming from?

Last I checked, 200km is simply the distance Deku had to travel to get to Shigaraki from where he was teleported. And then they fought each other around the UA area, where Shigaraki makes the statement of wanting to destroy Japan’s landmass overtime in a week.

 

[Yunoo]

It doesn't. That just proves his ability has a limit of range, or that the speed slows down significantly once a certain range is reached.

It's only a contradiction if you believe his hax travels at the same speed at all times regardless of distance, which is just not true.

A week to destroy Japan, literal game over to this thread. Close this.

???
Shigaraki isn't setting a range limit, he's saying at what speed and how much range he would destroy in THAT TIME, it's not like his quirk stops there and remains static.

That's the dumbest thing you've said so far. And you're completely ignoring the game's statements that change the dialogue for the entire world. And inc And even if we don't ignore them, a panel earlier mentions the destruction of Shizuoka, and a chapter later it is established that Japan is about to be destroyed.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

???
Shigaraki isn't setting a range limit, he's saying at what speed and how much range he would destroy in THAT TIME, it's not like his quirk stops there and remains static.

That's the dumbest thing you've said so far. And you're completely ignoring the game's statements that change the dialogue for the entire world. And inc And even if we don't ignore them, a panel earlier mentions the destruction of Shizuoka, and a chapter later it is established that Japan is about to be destroyed.

If it takes a week for Shigaraki to destroy all of Japan per his own words, then he is not 5-B.

Also he’s doing it with decay. So he is not 5-B.

Also they say he’s going to destroy Japan, and he is. But he can’t do it in a single attack. Otherwise he would have done so if he wanted to. So he is not 5-B.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Destroying the surface and everyone on it isn't "everything"

Shigaraki literally saying he will leave the sea and the sky.

a part of Shizuoka disappear

That is much smaller than Japan.

all of Japan would fall much faster than in a week

Not if he can only do batches of 200km and has to physically move to the next batch.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Where is the 200km statement coming from, because that literally contradicts Shigaraki saying it takes him a week to do Japan’s entire landmass. And I do not recall anything in the manga that references his decay destroying 200km in an instant at all.

200km is just the distance Deku travelled to get to Shigaraki, with the only “instant” statement being about how he could travel that distance instantly with his Faux 100% speed.

 

[Yunoo]

Este hilo es de mala fe y malentendidos por todos lados. Shigaraki nunca tuvo la intención de destruir el planeta, ni tampoco tuvo la capacidad de hacer a un ritmo rápido, y mucho menos de una manera que lo conviviera en 5-B.

Te falta conocimiento del manga a favor de intentar obtener una calificación que no existe.

Cierra esto.

¿De dónde vienen estos 200 kilómetros en una declaración instantánea?

La última vez que lo compré, 200 km es simple la distancia que Deku tuvo que recorrer para llegar a Shigaraki desde donde fue teletransportado. Y luego lucharon entre sí en el área de UA, donde Shigaraki declara que quiere destruir la masa continental de Japón con tiempo extra en una

Este hilo es de mala fe y malentendidos por todos lados. Shigaraki nunca tuvo la intención de destruir el planeta, ni tampoco tuvo la capacidad de hacerlo a un ritmo rápido, y mucho menos de una manera que lo convirtiera en 5-B.

Te falta conocimiento del manga a favor de intentar obtener una calificación que no existe.

Cierra esto.

¿De dónde vienen estos 200 kilómetros en una declaración instantánea?

La última vez que lo comprobé, 200 km es simplemente la distancia que Deku tuvo que recorrer para llegar a Shigaraki desde donde fue teletransportado. Y luego lucharon entre sí en el área de UA, donde Shigaraki declara que quiere destruir la masa continental de Japón con tiempo extra en una semana.

In the panel where civilians are watching Deku and Shigaraki's fight, it is mentioned that they are hundreds of kilometers away from them (at least 200km) and it is established that Shigaraki can destroy all of that. That's where the destruction of 200km begins immediately, given the short distance between the fight and where the UA is located.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

That's the dumbest thing you've said so far

Can't say I didn't warn you.

 

[Yunoo]

Si Shigaraki tarda una semana en destruir todo Japón según sus propias palabras, entonces no es 5-B.

También lo está haciendo con decadencia. Así que no es 5-B.

También dicen que va a destruir Japón, y lo está haciendo. Pero no puede hacerlo en un solo ataque. De lo contrario lo habría hecho si hubiera querido. Así que no es 5-B.

It didn't destroy Japan in an instant because Deku was precisely holding it in the air to prevent it from doing so, and he was tearing off pieces of land to stop the Decay from spreading . And at the beginning of the thread in the first link I explained why Shigaraki physically scales up from Decay with the recoil of the same.

And Shigaraki himself states that he will destroy the world as well. Which takes precedence? And are we ignoring the fact that this is changed in the game?

 

[Kingofwolves999]

In the panel where civilians are watching Deku and Shigaraki's fight, it is mentioned that they are hundreds of kilometers away from them (at least 200km) and it is established that Shigaraki can destroy all of that. That's where the destruction of 200km begins immediately, given the short distance between the fight and where the UA is located.

Show the panel. 200km is the distance from where Gang Orca and the others are at. There are no civilians there.

Of course he can destroy them if they’re 200km away. He is destroying all of Japan’s landmass.

But it takes him a week. So he cannot destroy 200km instantly. They would just eventually die because of how long it would take for Decay to reach them.

Nowhere is it stated he decays 200km instantly.

 

[Yunoo]

Shigaraki literally saying he will leave the sea and the sky.

That is much smaller than Japan.


Not if he can only do batches of 200km and has to physically move to the next batch.

You haven't contradicted anything I said.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

The scan literally contradicts itself because it mentions that Japan is about to be destroyed.

The manga literally states it's because Shigaraki will destroy Mt. Fuji and lava would spread everywhere.