Possible level 5-B in MHA (collection and analysis)

[Kingofwolves999]

It didn't destroy Japan in an instant because Deku was precisely holding it in the air to prevent it from doing so, and he was tearing off pieces of land to stop the Decay from spreading . And at the beginning of the thread in the first link I explained why Shigaraki physically scales up from Decay with the recoil of the same.

And Shigaraki himself states that he will destroy the world as well. Which takes precedence? And are we ignoring the fact that this is changed in the game?

He punches Deku away and touches the ground. Deku is disabled during that time due to injuries and Shigaraki’s decay does not go far despite the timeframe. Even at super speeds, Japan would be destroyed by that timeframe.

Decay does not scale to him physically.

Manga >>>>> Game, so that statement is irrelevant. Goes against his character and motive and the original work.

Why would he destroy the world when he knows that the other villains want to live in it. If it’s changed in the game, then it’s not cannon, so it can’t be used.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

To destroy the planet, Shigaraki needs to destroy the oceans as well.

Decay does not work on the Oceans.

How is he 5-B if he can’t destroy all of the water.

 

[Yunoo]

Muestra el panel. 200 km es la distancia desde donde se encuentran Gang Orca y los demás. Allí no hay civiles.

Por supuesto que puede destruirlos si están a 200 kilómetros de distancia. Está destruyendo toda la masa continental de Japón.

Pero le lleva una semana. Así que no puede destruir 200 kilómetros instantáneamente. Eventualmente morirían debido al tiempo que tardaría Decay en llegar hasta ellos.

En ninguna parte se afirma que decaiga instantáneamente 200 km.

Los civiles están a 200 kilómetros de Shigaraki y su destrucción

 

[Reiner04]

Guys, please calm down and argue in civil manner. If the debate is going circular then better to just mzke a summary post compliling all your points, Agree to Disagree, and wait for staff.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

Los civiles están a 200 kilómetros de Shigaraki y su destrucción

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[Yunoo]

The manga literally states it's because Shigaraki will destroy Mt. Fuji and lava would spread everywhere.

It doesn't say that there.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

It doesn't say that there.

Why are the vestiges worried about the mountain erupting if Decay would delete the mountain and all the lava instantly.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

Why are the vestiges worried about the mountain erupting if Decay would delete the mountain and all the lava instantly.

I sure wonder why the chapter ended by saying Japan will collapse right after Shigaraki threatened to erupt a volcano, surely there's no causation here.

 

[Yunoo]

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¿Now?

¿por qué los vestigios están preocupados por la erupción de la montaña si Decay elimina la montaña y toda la lava instantáneamente.

Para la protección de los demás. La explicación más probable es que Shigaraki hizo eso para darle problemas a Deku y algo en qué pensar.

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

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[GodlyCharmander]

¿Now?

Para la protección de los demás. La explicación más probable es que Shigaraki hizo eso para darle problemas a Deku y algo en qué pensar.

What...

This is Shigaraki saying he is sending the decay there, and then, it will be gone in a blink of an eye. The propagation of decay isn't in an instant, like you suggested.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

¿Now?

Para la protección de los demás. La explicación más probable es que Shigaraki hizo eso para darle problemas a Deku y algo en qué pensar.

How does this prove he can destroy 200km instantly? This is Eri and the rest being hundreds of km away from the fight. And then Shigaraki saying he can destroy a large PORTION of Shizuoka instantly. Eri and the rest aren’t in Shizuoka, they’re in rail cars that travelled across the country far away from UA.

“For the protection of others” don’t dodge the question.

Decay would destroy all the lava instantly with nothing to worry about if he could destroy it that fast. There would be no danger cause decay would destroy it. There wouldn’t even be an eruption.

So if Decay works so fast, explain why they bring that up.

 

[Yunoo]

Para destruir el planeta, Shigaraki también necesita destruir los océanos.

La descomposición no funciona en los océanos.

¿cómo es él 5-B si no puede destruir toda el agua.

DSince when does Decay not work in the ocean? Decay can evaporate. This is seen in the manga during Shigaraki's awakening in the Paranormal Release arc.

 

[GodlyCharmander]

How does this prove he can destroy 200km instantly? This is Eri and the rest being hundreds of km away from the fight. And then Shigaraki saying he can destroy a large PORTION of Shizuoka instantly. Eri and the rest aren’t in Shizuoka, they’re in rail cars that travelled across the country far away from UA.

Additionally, the comment about him sending the decay there shall also prove that the propagation isn't instant, but once it reaches its intended area, then the destruction is instant.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

“Watch out for the eruption that would last for less than 1 second because Decay is going to destroy it all instantly.”

DSince when does Decay not work in the ocean? Decay can evaporate. This is seen in the manga during Shigaraki's awakening in the Paranormal Release arc.

Because he explicitly says that ocean and sky would be left. How would there be ocean left if he destroys the ocean too.

 

[Yunoo]

Golpea a Deku y toca el suelo. Deku queda discapacitado durante ese tiempo debido a lesiones y la decadencia de Shigaraki no llega muy lejos a pesar del período de tiempo. Incluso a súper velocidades, Japón sería destruido en ese plazo.

La decadencia no se adapta físicamente a él.

Manga >>>>> Juego, por lo que esa afirmación es irrelevante. Va en contra de su carácter y motivo y de la obra original.

¿Por qué destruiría el mundo cuando sabe que los otros villanos quieren vivir en él. Si se cambia en el juego, entonces no es cañón, por lo que no se puede usar.

LAll I see is Shigaraki falling from the air because he was flying, just like Deku did to prevent the Decay from spreading. In addition to the fact that the manga and the game are the same, they are all made based on the help, confirmation, and coordination of Horikoshi. Shigaraki always thought it best to destroy everything, even though he knew his companions' wishes, and this is made clear several times.

 

[Kingofwolves999]

LAll I see is Shigaraki falling from the air because he was flying, just like Deku did to prevent the Decay from spreading. In addition to the fact that the manga and the game are the same, they are all made based on the help, confirmation, and coordination of Horikoshi. Shigaraki always thought it best to destroy everything, even though he knew his companions' wishes, and this is made clear several times.

“The manga and the game are the same” no they aren’t. The game is a worse retelling of the manga with slight word changes. Horikoshi helping with parts of it does not = him approving every single change or statement in it unless you can prove that. Or do you believe every fight that takes place in the game is also accurate and we should start scaling more people from class 1-A directly to Deku?

Anyway, I’ll take a page from Reiner and wait for the other mods to come and shut this down. I think it’s quite obvious that this proposal is simply not good.

 

[Yunoo]

¿Cómo demuestra esto que puede destruir 200 kilómetros instantáneamente? Este es Eri y el resto está a cientos de kilómetros de la pelea. Y luego Shigaraki dice que puede destruir un gran PORCIÓN de Shizuoka al instante. Eri y el resto no están en Shizuoka, están en vagones de tren que viajaron por todo el país lejos de UA.

“Para la protección de los demás” no eludas la pregunta.

La descomposición destruiría toda la lava instantáneamente sin nada de qué preocuparse si pudiera destruirla tan rápido. No habría peligro porque la descomposición lo destruiría. Ni siquiera habría una erupción.

Entonces, si Decay funciona tan rápido, explique por qué lo mencionan.

Shigaraki lo destruye y lo deja fluir para causarle problemas a Deku. Shigaraki sabe que cuando Deku piensa demasiado, sus movimientos se vuelven erráticos, por lo que probablemente eso era lo que buscaba.

No estoy evitando la pregunta.

“Tenga cuidado con la erupción que duraría menos de 1 segundo porque la descomposición lo destruirá todo instantáneamente”

Porque dice explícitamente que el océano y el cielo quedarían. ¿Cómo quedaría el océano si él también lo destruye.

The ocean would be destroyed anyway because of what I said; Decay can cause vaporization. When Shigaraki wakes up, there's nothing left but soil and vapor around him in the manga.

 

[Yunoo]

“El manga y el juego son iguales” no, no lo son. El juego es una versión peor del manga con ligeros cambios de palabras. Que Horikoshi ayude con partes no significa que apruebe cada cambio o declaración a menos que usted pueda probarlo. ¿O crees que cada pelea que tiene lugar en el juego también es precisa y deberíamos comenzar a escalar a más personas de la clase 1-A directamente a Deku?

De todos modos, tomaré una página de Reiner y esperaré a que vengan los otros mods y cierren esto. Creo que es bastante obvio que esta propuesta simplemente no es buena.

The game's creators would not include any mentions or statements that contradicted the established elements of the manga and anime, or anything that Horikoshi did not consider acceptable. But ok

 

[BiggestOpp]

There should be a rule that prohibit the creation of CRTs when you have low message and like count bc this is insane.

 

[1000TonsofFun]

I disagree with the thread but I agree with an “up to planetary range” rating with Decay. Uhh, I’m annoyed I wanted to make a thread called “Shigaraki Planetary?” And then use that one Bart meme to say “that’s right, Shigaraki has planetary range.
The main issue is that Decay isn’t AP based, it’s a hax. It can block Re-Destro’s stress attacks which are made of energy iirc. And those attacks were capable of damaging him as well, if hit directly. The reason I think he would get planetary range is due to him saying he would destroy the whole world on multiple occasions as previously stated as well as the outright refusal from other characters to let him touch the ground even once (I’m pretty sure they say that it would be over for the world if he touches the ground, at least before he gets shot by Nagant). But he can’t do this in one short term attack, and even if he could his AP and Dura wouldn’t scale due to the aforementioned Re-Destro scaling.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Saying that the world itself ≠ celestial body (the planet) is just your own stupidity jsksjdjsjsjdjds

???
Shigaraki isn't setting a range limit, he's saying at what speed and how much range he would destroy in THAT TIME, it's not like his quirk stops there and remains static.

That's the dumbest thing you've said so far. And you're completely ignoring the game's statements that change the dialogue for the entire world. And inc And even if we don't ignore them, a panel earlier mentions the destruction of Shizuoka, and a chapter later it is established that Japan is about to be destroyed.

This is a formal warning. Knock it off.

 

[AyOgUyS]

GodlyCharmander and Kingofwolves make sense to me. i disagree with the OP. When scaling characters off of DC statements you've gotta show them actually destroying areas on that scale. Shigaraki never even comes close to destroying a country in one shot, let alone the whole planet

 

[Damage3245]

I've read through every scan, and the arguments here, and so far Charmander and KingofWolves make the most sense. Shigaraki is not suggested to literally destroy the entire planet with a single attack.

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Edit: Also the games explicitly say hes going to "flatten the planet" which is a very obvious tell of physical land mass destruction rather then society.

Games are irrelevant

There should be a rule that prohibit the creation of CRTs when you have low message and like count bc this is insane.

The like count should not be counted, but the message one sure, like 300 messages at minimun

 

[AyOgUyS]

The like count should not be counted, but the message one sure, like 300 messages at minimun

 

[MANOFGOD7]

Agree with planetary range and ED.

 

[Aytugsss]

İ think most of the scans means not destroying the world complately but destroying living things inside.
And decay can spread all of the world i guess but we dont know how much time it takes and decay is dura neg so i wouldnt consider these scans as planetary.
Disaagre

 

[DavidTPPM]

I'll just note planetary range should be overtime. It's not like Shigi can decay anything on the planet at will, his decay can just slowly spread across the planet over a period of time.

Also what does everyone mean by ED, because I'm pretty sure I'm thinking the wrong thing lmao

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

I'll just note planetary range should be overtime. It's not like Shigi can decay anything on the planet at will, his decay can just slowly spread across the planet over a period of time.

Also what does everyone mean by ED, because I'm pretty sure I'm thinking the wrong thing lmao

Ed Edd n Eddy

 

[BlackeJan]

Either way, it’s majority disagreeing with the OP except planetary range

 

[1000TonsofFun]

Also what does everyone mean by ED, because I'm pretty sure I'm thinking the wrong thing lmao

No clue bro

 

[KaramcaS]

OP needs to study more on what is Overtime and Destroying World means

 

[SuperStar]

1. The statement does not specify a timeframe, a mechanism, or a scope that implies planetary destruction of the celestial body. "World" in common usage, especially in a series whose entire premise is built around hero society and societal collapse, defaults to the civilization the characters inhabit. Without explicit clarification that it refers to the celestial body, you are inserting an assumption the text does not support and then scaling from that assumption. That is not how burden of proof works.
2. Shigaraki's stated goal is the destruction of hero society and everything built upon it. His philosophy is the erasure of the existing social order. A man whose ideology is about dismantling civilization has no philosophical motivation to obliterate the celestial body itself, which would achieve nothing his ideology demands beyond what surface-level destruction already accomplishes. The statement fits his established goals perfectly without requiring planetary interpretation. You need to explain why the celestial body reading is necessary here, not just "possible".
3. "Everything visible" is a figure of speech with a clearly established contextual ceiling. If we abandon contextual grounding and treat every scalar word as literally maximized, there is no principled stopping point. You don't want a ceiling? Fine, why not "universe level" or "outerversal" readings? It's everything visible, and Shigaraki can see a galaxy on a telescope! The principle you are applying selectively to reach planet level applies equally to those tiers. If you would not accept those conclusions, you need to explain why planet level is the cutoff and not arbitrary.
4. "The physical world" in context refers to the physical reality of the world these characters live in, meaning civilization, society, infrastructure, human life. The surface of the planet qualifies entirely for that reading. You have not provided any contextual evidence that the speaker intended the geological body.
5. "Global menace" is an established idiomatic phrase meaning a threat of widespread societal consequence. It is used in real-world journalism, politics, and fiction constantly to describe threats to human welfare rather than threats to planetary geology.
6. The internal consistency of the series itself resolves this. "80% of the world has quirks" uses "world" to mean human population globally. The same speaker using "global threat" in the same thematic context is using "world" the same way. You cannot take "world" as human population in one sentence and then take it as celestial body in another without a specific reason grounded in the text. You have provided none.
7. The absence of a timeframe is not a neutral factor here, it actively hurts the planetary argument. Planet-busting as a calced feat requires instantaneous or near-instantaneous energy release to meet the gravitational binding energy threshold. Destruction occurring over any meaningful timeframe drops the required power output dramatically. "The moment it touches the ground" describes the initiation of the destructive effect, not the completion of planetary annihilation.
8. Running a Spanish translation through a machine translator and treating the output as a precise technical claim is not a methodology anyone should be accepting in a scaling debate. Beyond the translation issue, the logical point remains: the most efficient path to the villain's stated goals is surface-level destruction of civilization, not annihilation of the planetary body. Destroying the core or detonating the celestial body achieves nothing incrementally better than surface wiping for their purposes, and would in fact destroy everything they claim to want power over.
9. The statement as presented does not contain the claim being attributed to it.
10. "Keep destroying" is linguistically incompatible with instantaneous planetary detonation. Continuous or repeated action over time is the explicit meaning of that phrasing. A planet that explodes in a single instant is not described with iterative language.
11. Every instance of "world" in this series that has a verifiable referent points to civilization, society, or the inhabited surface. You have not produced a single example where "world" in MHA unambiguously refers to the geological celestial body.
12. "Leave this world with no hope of recovery" explicitly preserves the existence of the world as an object. Something left with no hope of recovery still exists in a damaged state. A planet that has been detonated beyond its gravitational binding energy does not exist in any state.
13. This statement is the most self-defeating one in the entire compilation. It explicitly equates "world" with "hero society" within its own text. You cannot submit a statement as evidence for planetary destruction when that statement internally defines "world" as the social structure the characters are fighting over.
14. Protecting the whole world from a threat does not imply the threat is capable of destroying the geological body. It implies the threat is beyond the capacity of existing societal structures to handle alone.
15. A statement claiming to bend the planet requires a verified translation before it can be used as evidence, a clear indication that "bend" refers to physical geological deformation rather than metaphorical impact, and a demonstrated timeframe to calculate meaningful energy output. None of those three things have been provided. A single ambiguous statement cannot establish 5-B on its own under any reasonable evidentiary standard.
16. Game canon requires explicit authorial confirmation to be treated as scaling-relevant in the same tier as manga and anime.
17. The battle reactions shown in the series are social and emotional. Characters express shock, despair, and awe. News coverage spreads. The physical environment of the battle site is damaged. None of this constitutes the planet shaking as a geological event. You are using the metaphorical meaning of "shake the world", to cause a massive impactful event, as though it were a literal seismological measurement.
18. "Deciding the fate of the world" in a narrative about societal conflict means the outcome of this battle determines the future of civilization. If the villains win, they impose their ideology and destroy everything people have built. If the heroes win, society survives. .
19. The capitalization. "Earth" capitalized is a proper noun referring to the planet. "earth" lowercase is the common noun referring to soil, ground, or land. The one in the novel is lowecase.
20. "End of the world" without scope, timeframe, or mechanism is the single most overused hyperbolic phrase in all of fiction.

37 scans of statements using "world", "earth", "global", and "everything" in a series that has consistently and demonstrably used those words to mean human civilization rather than the geological body. Not one of them provides a timeframe. Not one of them provides a mechanism. Not one of them survives basic contextual analysis without importing an assumption the text does not support. The compilation is not evidence of planetary capability.

I wholeheartedly reject the very concept of this Revision Thread. Good night.

Bro came back and dropped a crazy ratio W mans ngl

 

[Kellex]

I'll just note planetary range should be overtime. It's not like Shigi can decay anything on the planet at will, his decay can just slowly spread across the planet over a period of time.

Also what does everyone mean by ED, because I'm pretty sure I'm thinking the wrong thing lmao

No clue bro

ED = Environmental Destruction, I think.

 

[DavidTPPM]

ED = Erectile Disfunction, I think.

Ahaaaa, makes sense thx

 

[Zanesucksatlife]

ED = Environmental Destruction, I think.

Yup

 

[JoeDM021]

yea nah this threads cooked gng not even gonna bother arguing against 6 people

 

[Excellence616]

Shiggy destroys the Earth as if he can survive in space or will have where to stay when Earth is destroyed.


Disagree fra.

 

[1000TonsofFun]

yea nah this threads cooked gng not even gonna bother arguing against 6 people

There’s still a case to be made for range imo. It’s more that Decay is hax and therefore doesn’t have AP. With all the statements about the world being destroyed if he touched the ground though, I think he shout get planetary range.