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Sonic General Discussion Zone Act 1: New Frontiers

This is how some Sonic fans would unironically scale Sonic /hj
I was joking when I said that btw pls don’t execute me
There's a weird thing I noticed between some Sonic (& Undertale fans) that they occasionally downplay their own characters to absurd degrees. Like there's those who like grounded characters, and I'm not complaining that they do, enjoy the grounded interpretations all you want, I don't wanna stop you! But even then you got some people seriously thinking they're gonna be able to physically harm the characters with their bare hands and it's like alright, let's take a step back 😭
I’ve seen people think they could beat Knuckles if they had a gun…
 
I didn’t even give an actual scale I just stated their respective performances???
I say this as a person who considers Omega a close friend and has respect for him; when it comes to IDW, for some reason his brain has a flip switched and he gets this habit of arguing for what he wants more than he cares to actually engage with what you say.

That's regarding tier, story, writing quality, ANYTHING IDW-related. It's genuinely annoying because he becomes so insufferable to engage in ANY IDW topic with him, you would think he gets PAID to defend it.
 
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I'm aware of the "ultimate" stuff and I have no doubt that Master Overlord IS stronger than Super Neo, that I can agree with entirely. Where it starts to get fuzzy for me is when people put him at 1-C. I can respect the opinion, I just don't quite share the sentiment.

I respect your opinion and if a 1-C upgrade thread were to happen, you'd get no opposition from me. I understand the scaling methodology here and I understand your reasonings, I don't want you or anybody to think I'm being purposefully obtuse.

Sorry for the triple post, everyone.
To clarify, I don’t think Master Overlord is specifically 1-C either. However I do believe he’s at least as strong as Metal Overlord and Super Neo, which based on the wiki stats would make him 1-C.
 
I was joking when I said that btw pls don’t execute me
I know you were, don't worry!
I’ve seen people think they could beat Knuckles if they had a gun…
fr??
Even if we entertained that possibility (Chaos 0 was tanking multiple gun shots) how do they expect a gun to be able to hit him? Even being generous and assuming the bullets were fast and strong enough, Knuckles would simply dodge their aim or even blitz them before they can pull it out
 
fr??
Even if we entertained that possibility (Chaos 0 was tanking multiple gun shots) how do they expect a gun to be able to hit him? Even being generous and assuming the bullets were fast and strong enough, Knuckles would simply dodge their aim or even blitz them before they can pull it out
Idk bruh 😭
 
Do you actually even read this thread, or do you only read whatever you can obnoxiously argue against?
The messages have not loaded when i answered... sowwy😥... I am still funny right?

Fr tho... yeah sorrt for that

No shit I think it's more powerful, Sherlock. I literally defended the idea of it being more powerful when talking to @AyOgUyS. I told @XSOULOFCINDERX that it is the greatest example of PIS in the franchise. So why are you wasting both of our time, because I disagree with the tier you want for him? Get over it.
You see Shake... i... hum.... yeah "I Hum" that's my answer

Bring all the statements you want, bring every piece of WoG you can. None of that is changing my mind that Master Overlord isn't even capable of tickling the balls of a 1-C, let alone having the exact same power as before.
i mean... stronger Sonic and Shadow + Modern and more Powerful Eggtech + the Master Emerald(aka >>>> everything and everyone in Heroes)... he has better stuff than he had before... so he should be stronger

Plus... your reasoning for it is Tangle being able to hurt him... even tho you still upscale him from Super Neo?... sorry, that just makes no sense to me

If you guys wanna make a CRT upgrading him to that further down the line (after all these threads conclude), I won't get in your way or try to stop you.
Genuially thank you bro... your opinions about this franchise in particular are always good to hear

You mean like how you were trying to shill Low 1-C Metal Overlord or some other nonsense? Funny of you to say a middle ground makes no sense when that is exactly what you were trying to do mere months ago. Is it only fine when you do it?
One thing has nothing to do with the other tho? One was me saying "This is the bare minimum Overlord should scale to via these statements"
The current one is "Overlord shouldn't scale because Tangle can harm him... so let's scale him far above Tangle anyway to a point where she realistically shouldn't be able to harm him, even though we're using the fact that she harmed him as the reason to stop him from scaling higher than that."
The former at least follows a logical chain "A = B because of C" the latter doesn't, it's basically "A < B because of C, so let's arbitrarily make A much greater than B while still using C as evidence that A isn't greater than B" you're simultaneously treating Tangle harming Overlord as valid evidence when it limits his scaling and invalid evidence when it doesn't, if the feat matters, then it has to be considered consistently, if it doesn't matter because of outliers, anti-feats, plot, or whatever reason, then it can't be used to cap his scaling in the first place, so we either scale him bellow Super Neo due to base chars harming him, or we scale to him to what circunstances shown he should be and treat the fight as an outlier (btw didn't we do just that back when IDW was a separated canon? The base cast was 8-A while Overlord was 5-B/5-A... I don't see how things are different now)
 
Actual Reddit Syndrome.

That a bunch of people don't believe any of the cast (except Shadow, Metal, and arguably Blaze) properly scale to Sonic, which is brought up most often in Mario vs Sonic debates but which can be found elsewhere.

The notion is pretty ridiculous to me.
Sonic Battle, Advance, Heroes, 06, Forces, etc:

Reddit is weird bro
 
I'm aware of the "ultimate" stuff and I have no doubt that Master Overlord IS stronger than Super Neo, that I can agree with entirely. Where it starts to get fuzzy for me is when people put him at 1-C. I can respect the opinion, I just don't quite share the sentiment.

I respect your opinion and if a 1-C upgrade thread were to happen, you'd get no opposition from me. I understand the scaling methodology here and I understand your reasonings, I don't want you or anybody to think I'm being purposefully obtuse.

Sorry for the triple post, everyone.
I want to apologize if i went a little... hot, in these last messages... just a topic i care about is all
 
The messages have not loaded when i answered... sowwy😥... I am still funny right?

Fr tho... yeah sorrt for that
Don't worry about it bud, I was just agitated lol.
You see Shake... i... hum.... yeah "I Hum" that's my answer
Lol. You are funny... sometimes
i mean... stronger Sonic and Shadow + Modern and more Powerful Eggtech + the Master Emerald(aka >>>> everything and everyone in Heroes)... he has better stuff than he had before... so he should be stronger
Ehhhh I can understand that reasoning.
Plus... your reasoning for it is Tangle being able to hurt him... even tho you still upscale him from Super Neo?... sorry, that just makes no sense to me
To be fair, Sonic specifically notes that it's a good thing he's not Invulnerable and that directly implies that Sonic believes they can hurt him. So while I agree it's PIS, it's still brought up in the plot that they can hurt him because he isn't a Super State.
Genuially thank you bro... your opinions about this franchise in particular are always good to hear
I appreciate the sentiment and that you value my opinion that much.
I want to apologize if i went a little... hot, in these last messages... just a topic i care about is all
We're all good bro, I don't take this stuff personally and I'm at fault myself for being quick to get a little intense. Water under the bridge.
 
I came across a claim that Boos could warp a dimension with stars with a dead imgur link, and I genuinely don't remember anything like this happening in the games. Does anyone know where it could come from?
 
I came across a claim that Boos could warp a dimension with stars with a dead imgur link, and I genuinely don't remember anything like this happening in the games. Does anyone know where it could come from?
listing all the dimensions that have stars might help, off the top of my head i think Maginaryworld has some starry skies?
it might also help to list all the games boos appear in, i think they're in SA2 and lost world?
 
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Does this count as a feat? :V
 
I came across a claim that Boos could warp a dimension with stars with a dead imgur link, and I genuinely don't remember anything like this happening in the games. Does anyone know where it could come from?
It must be from FSL, it comes from the Mansion in Sonic Racing that looks like it has stars on the back ground before you enter through a portal.
 
People'll replace your bone marrow with ants if you scale anyone to Sonic beyond just Shadow. imo It's honestly kinda ridiculous.
Actual Reddit Syndrome.

That a bunch of people don't believe any of the cast (except Shadow, Metal, and arguably Blaze) properly scale to Sonic, which is brought up most often in Mario vs Sonic debates but which can be found elsewhere.

The notion is pretty ridiculous to me.
And a bunch of people will do that if you scale Shadow to Sonic anyways 😭
 
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Does this count as a feat? :V
I-... Well... Ummm... Yes... weirdly enough I guess this would be a stamina feat of sorts?

And uh, it's a super niche hax but I guess this is a direct counter to people who use Biological Manipulation to make people fat??? Though the chances of this being relevant at all is extremely insignificant lol
 

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So if fortnite joins crossworlds What Does That Mean For The Cosmology?
Nothing, Fortnite tends to conflict with the cosmology of other series and isn't typically taken seriously outside itself (for example the attempts at cosmology-scaling with Marvel weren't accepted).
 
And a bunch of people will do that if you scale Shadow to Sonic anyways 😭
I've come to the realization that people will also unironically do that if you scale Infinite above Forces Sonic. /hj
Hey remember when in Sonic Chaos, Sonic was able to travel to the Aqua Planet, without any indication that he did with a device or portal?
I was actually going to mention that when I brought up the Sonic 3D Blast/Flickies Island bonus stages. He also traveled to Eggman's Sleeping Egg Zone
 
I've come to the realization that people will also unironically do that if you scale Infinite above Forces Sonic. /hj

I was actually going to mention that when I brought up the Sonic 3D Blast/Flickies Island bonus stages. He also traveled to Eggman's Sleeping Egg Zone
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Didn't the same thing happen when Sonic runs from the Arabian Nights back to his world
I mean, kinda? The thing is with Chaos we just see him running to the next zone. Meanwhile, Secret Rings mentions Sonic "ran endlessly until he found a way home," notably, it's specified he found a way, and seeing as there's places like Night Palace with connections to reality, that is the likely scenario.

Of course, I still wouldn't use the Sonic Chaos thing in full confidence.
 
I mean, kinda? The thing is with Chaos we just see him running to the next zone. Meanwhile, Secret Rings mentions Sonic "ran endlessly until he found a way home," notably, it's specified he found a way, and seeing as there's places like Night Palace with connections to reality, that is the likely scenario.

Of course, I still wouldn't use the Sonic Chaos thing in full confidence.
It's weird, Sonic Chaos practically implies that Sonic have Dimensional Travel vía speed, but other games seem to suggest the opposite. I mean, in Rush Adventure he needs the Chaos Emeralds to return to his world, and in Secret Rings it seems he found a way back to his own reality. Unless the Aqua Planet dimension is within the Prime World.
 
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