Lookism Discussion Thread

[Powerscalingcat]

By chance, I came across an interesting feat listed on Johan's wiki that doesn't seem to have been approved yet.
Johan cleanly ripping a steel door off faster than Daniel can even tell what he did

I disagree wih the speed blizts thing, Daniel's comment doesn't mean he didn't see Johan rather he has no idea HOW he did, I say this because we literally see Daniel copy Johan later and replicate the feat and we know Daniel's copy works based on sight so by default he had to have seen how Johan did it

The statement might not be enough to suffice Johan doing it faster than Daniel could perceive, though it's definitely good for lifting strength in Low Tiers (since this is from Chapter 150, which is before even the God Dog arc, wherein Johan's hardware was called out for being terrible)
You could prob calculate the size of the door with Johan's hand

This I do agree with, not sure if I brought it up in my earlier post about BOS feats that haven't be calc'd

Seth bending a metal bar with his thumb (If anyone can find a study that calculates the strength of a hand in proportion to a thumb it might work? Johan overpowers in a thumb battle after this) Chapter 261 btw

This one I def sent hopefully someone calcs it

I ended up rereading through Hostel while looking for Seth's feats and got emotional from how much of a masterpiece the Hostel Tragedy was

True

I just wish darius didn't exist lol

All the character has accomplished is give PTJ a bad name for being unable to write male SA (not that the writing for the female SA is any better since it happened to Mira at least 2 times and there were never any consequences)

Its also just kind of hypocritical to have a derogatory gay stereotype in a series famous for yaoi baiting lol

 

[Sigmagoon14]

Random thought,why do we never scale Basement Hulk to High 8-C, since the narrative was practically screaming that Hangyeoul has physical stats of Tom Lee, and even Goo confirmed twice that he was on par with Tom Lee? So why do we never actually give him that rating?

 

[Pyro9278]

Random thought,why do we never scale Basement Hulk to High 8-C, since the narrative was practically screaming that Hangyeoul has physical stats of Tom Lee, and even Goo confirmed twice that he was on par with Tom Lee? So why do we never actually give him that rating?

Did Goo confirm that Lookism's Hulk has the same strength as Tom? I don't recall Goo saying that. A lot of that fight was really just a ridiculous display of endurance, though even an old Charles could have beaten him.

 

[CatLover313]

Random thought,why do we never scale Basement Hulk to High 8-C, since the narrative was practically screaming that Hangyeoul has physical stats of Tom Lee, and even Goo confirmed twice that he was on par with Tom Lee? So why do we never actually give him that rating?

We can’t forget that after the crewheads defeated BH, his brother than amped him up with drugs and he became red. Thats the version Goo fought and made those Tom statements of.

 

[Sigmagoon14]

Did Goo confirm that Lookism's Hulk has the same strength as Tom? I don't recall Goo saying that. A lot of that fight was really just a ridiculous display of endurance, though even an old Charles could have beaten him.

Yup, the first time Basement Hulk was smacking him on the floor, and the second time Goo directly says, "This thing is Tom Lee's level in all but one aspect: it doesn't have intelligence." So yeah, if I remember right, Goo also calls him dangerous during that encounter.

Edit : Yup he said that twice

We can’t forget that after the crewheads defeated BH, his brother than amped him up with drugs and he became red. Thats the version Goo fought and made those Tom statements of.

Ain't no way that bum version has Gongseop-level AP. On his best day he scales to 50% Tom. I am talking about the one version Goo fought, because as I wrote above, Goo confirmed that the amped version is at Tom level. That's why I thought he should at least have scaling to Old Gap's feat.

 

[CatLover313]

Yup, the first time Basement Hulk was smacking him on the floor, and the second time Goo directly says, "This thing is Tom Lee's level in all but one aspect: it doesn't have intelligence." So yeah, if I remember right, Goo also calls him dangerous during that encounter.

Edit : Yup he said that twice

Ain't no way that bum version has Gongseop-level AP. On his best day he scales to 50% Tom. I am talking about the one version Goo fought, because as I wrote above, Goo confirmed that the amped version is at Tom level. That's why I thought he should at least have scaling to Old Gap's feat.

Ah that’s what u mean. Well I won’t disagree with that version of BH scaling, he got a clear cut statement backing him up

 

[Powerscalingcat]

Random thought,why do we never scale Basement Hulk to High 8-C, since the narrative was practically screaming that Hangyeoul has physical stats of Tom Lee, and even Goo confirmed twice that he was on par with Tom Lee? So why do we never actually give him that rating?

The only version of Tom Lee, Goo knew atp was the one he and Gun fought when they were 15, that version of Tom hadn't come out of retirement yet (Tom himself states it has been 3 years since he came out of retirement which is exactly when Goo and Gun were sent to test him during the white demon arc) which we see during their fight was nowhere near close to Tom's full power (Goo was unaware Tom was holding back and Tom was unaware how much stronger Goo had gotten) as Tom matched 1 sword Goo, when 0 sword Goo basically no diff'd basement hulk, this was phase 3 basement hulk, Goo compared phase 2 basement hulk to Tom (the one using a broken hammer as a weapon let alone a katana) according to Goo's own words the only difference between phase 2 BH and Tom is IQ, Goo straight up perceptioned blizted phase 3 No.1 who broke Goo's hammer before he could react (phase 3 should obviously be stronger than phase 2 so by that logic stronger than however strong Goo thinks Tom is)

Yet Tom was able to match 1 sword Goo and we know Tom was far from using his full power (signature moves, ultimate king etc)

Hyngeol himself also basically soft reconned himself in a later chapter by saying that basement hulk could become as strong as Tom Lee rather than actually being as strong as him

We have no idea how Goo and Gun testing Tom went however based on how Goo talks to Tom and how easily Tom was able to handle Goo (before Goo got a hold of a katana) it's entirely possible that Tom actually beat both 15 year old Gun and Goo, which wouldn't be all that crazy as Tom directly stated that 2A Yuseong and Madeok are on par with 15 year old Gun and Goo, that was a version of Tom that was playing with the workers per his own words due to being hired by Daniel, we saw him legit use finger flicks to fight both them and even nearly perception blizted yuseong, the only one who gave an impressive performance was Mandeok going blow for blow with him, however Tom was using his dangler inspector persona (which is him holding back) and Tom himself told Eugene, Yuseong and Madeok that he was holding back

So personally I would be against scaling BH to large building

As Tom was using air pressure finger flicks againsg yuseong who Tom directly compared to 15 year old Goo

And also how casually he was handling 1A Goo who was using the same amount of power as his 15 year old self (before he got serious and showed Tom how much he had grown promoting him to get more serious as well)

 

[Sigmagoon14]

The only version of Tom Lee, Goo knew atp was the one he and Gun fought when they were 15, that version of Tom hadn't come out of retirement yet (Tom himself states it has been 3 years since he came out of retirement which is exactly when Goo and Gun were sent to test him during the white demon arc) which we see during their fight was nowhere near close to Tom's full power (Goo was unaware Tom was holding back and Tom was unaware how much stronger Goo had gotten) as Tom matched 1 sword Goo, when 0 sword Goo basically no diff'd basement hulk, this was phase 3 basement hulk, Goo compared phase 2 basement hulk to Tom (the one using a broken hammer as a weapon let alone a katana) according to Goo's own words the only difference between phase 2 BH and Tom is IQ, Goo straight up perceptioned blizted phase 3 No.1 who broke Goo's hammer before he could react (phase 3 should obviously be stronger than phase 2 so by that logic stronger than however strong Goo thinks Tom is)

Yet Tom was able to match 1 sword Goo and we know Tom was far from using his full power (signature moves, ultimate king etc)

Yeah, that's why I think he can only scale to Gap's feat. Also, to add to that, Goo says he is dangerous not when he was joking, but when he got serious and started blitzing BH.
And my point still stands: if it was able to hurt Goo, and Goo even called him dangerous, meaning he should have enough AP to damage Goo. And Goo at that point already had Large Building level durability, so ain't no way that BH, who should be at 258 MJ, was able to damage and be a threat to Goo, whose dura is 9K MJ or higher.

Hyngeol himself also basically soft reconned himself in a later chapter by saying that basement hulk could become as strong as Tom Lee rather than actually being as strong as him

Actually, you are wrong here. Hangyeoul said that in 472, and I am talking about 473 because Goo's statement came from there. So yeah, there is no retcon here. Those statements from Goo still stand tall.

We have no idea how Goo and Gun testing Tom went however based on how Goo talks to Tom and how easily Tom was able to handle Goo (before Goo got a hold of a katana) it's entirely possible that Tom actually beat both 15 year old Gun and Goo, which wouldn't be all that crazy as Tom directly stated that 2A Yuseong and Madeok are on par with 15 year old Gun and Goo, that was a version of Tom that was playing with the workers per his own words due to being hired by Daniel, we saw him legit use finger flicks to fight both them and even nearly perception blizted yuseong, the only one who gave an impressive performance was Mandeok going blow for blow with him, however Tom was using his dangler inspector persona (which is him holding back) and Tom himself told Eugene, Yuseong and Madeok that he was holding back

Again, you are wrong. It's one of the big misconceptions in the PTJ verse that Yuseong and Mandeok were 15-year-old Gun & Goo level during 2A, which is not true at all. People think Tom got reminded of Gun and Goo means they are Gun and Goo's level, which is false because Tom himself wasn't sure if they're truly Gun and Goo level. That's why I said it's the biggest misconception of the verse. If Tom himself isn't sure, then why are people assuming he directly said that when he himself isn't sure and wanted to test them?

 

[Powerscalingcat]

Yeah, that's why I think he can only scale to Gap's feat. Also, to add to that, Goo says he is dangerous not when he was joking, but when he got serious and started blitzing BH.
And my point still stands: if it was able to hurt Goo, and Goo even called him dangerous, meaning he should have enough AP to damage Goo. And Goo at that point already had Large Building level durability, so ain't no way that BH, who should be at 258 MJ, was able to damage and be a threat to Goo, whose dura is 9K MJ or higher.

Ehhhh Goo left that fight without a scratch despite BH literally picking him up by the legs and slamming him head first into concrete and literally hulk jumping on top of him like a roided up gorilla and Gol blocked it with an umbrella, also yes in fact BH should be able to damage Goo even with that large of a stat difference, pre prison Jake, and Jerry were both able to harm Gun and Jerry even gave him a scar despite Gun being king level atp (you could argue its a retcon but for me the reason they gave him a scar is because Gun can't train how durable his skin is which is what Jerry and Eli damaged, and Jake just mate his lip bleed for the same reason, not to mention the only thing that was retconned was the gap in power being larger not the event itself)
We also had 3A Johan making tom bleed from biting his tongue and I think also bleed from his nose, point being we have a LOT of examples of way weaker characters damaging way stronger characters, same thing with Goo calling him dangerous.. while breaking both of his knees and beating him to near death with a hammer

Actually, you are wrong here. Hangyeoul said that in 472, and I am talking about 473 because Goo's statement came from there. So yeah, there is no retcon here. Those statements from Goo still stand tall.

As I said Goo's statment is about the Tom he fought when he was 15, 15 year old Goo is not large building level lol
We have no idea how much power he used but I doubt he was throwing large building level punches agaisnt a Goo he perceived as just a child/brat

Again, you are wrong. It's one of the big misconceptions in the PTJ verse that Yuseong and Mandeok were 15-year-old Gun & Goo level during 2A, which is not true at all. People think Tom got reminded of Gun and Goo means they are Gun and Goo's level, which is false because Tom himself wasn't sure if they're truly Gun and Goo level. That's why I said it's the biggest misconception of the verse. If Tom himself isn't sure, then why are people assuming he directly said that when he himself isn't sure and wanted to test them?

Even if he didn't state it directly, 15 year old Gun's best feat is scaling to a single Kojima and overwhelming them slowly due to having better endurance, technique, skill etc (The Kojima were loosing but I don't think Gun was outright a tier stronger than them)

Pre prison Gun got power crept by 3A Jake (imo the Gun that unlocked heat mode against Goo should be as strong as conviction that surpassed his prison self, and Cheoninlang heat mode Gun that fought the Kojima should be a tier above that)

Madeok and Yuseong are bare minimum king level if not above average King level so they should arguably scale HIGHER than 15 year old Gun and Goo (unless PTJ does yet another retroactive upscale and suddenly 14 year old Gun had already surpassed prime shingen or something)

Point being the best you can get for 15 year old Gun and Goo is single Kojima level who are not even King kevel and even if they were they got off screened by Tom so hard we haven't seen them since

So your point is kind of moot, Goo's perception of Tom Lee's power is probably really low because there is no way Tom Lee was throwing large building level punches against someone who wasn't even king level yet

 

[Pyro9278]

Ehhhh Goo left that fight without a scratch despite BH literally picking him up by the legs and slamming him head first into concrete and literally hulk jumping on top of him like a roided up gorilla and Gol blocked it with an umbrella, also yes in fact BH should be able to damage Goo even with that large of a stat difference, pre prison Jake, and Jerry were both able to harm Gun and Jerry even gave him a scar despite Gun being king level atp (you could argue its a retcon but for me the reason they gave him a scar is because Gun can't train how durable his skin is which is what Jerry and Eli damaged, and Jake just mate his lip bleed for the same reason, not to mention the only thing that was retconned was the gap in power being larger not the event itself)
We also had 3A Johan making tom bleed from biting his tongue and I think also bleed from his nose, point being we have a LOT of examples of way weaker characters damaging way stronger characters, same thing with Goo calling him dangerous.. while breaking both of his knees and beating him to near death with a hammer

Gun's scar doesn't really make sense, and that justification about Gun's skin doesn't make sense either. Most likely, Gun, knowing how masochistic he is, would have allowed Jerry to hurt him without taking it too seriously, but that doesn't mean he's remotely on Jerry's level. Also, when they make Tom bleed, it's simply because he's not taking it seriously or because he's usually suffering from hemoptysis due to overdoing it in fights (which still happens even now, even in fights between comparable people).

As I said Goo's statment is about the Tom he fought when he was 15, 15 year old Goo is not large building level lol
We have no idea how much power he used but I doubt he was throwing large building level punches agaisnt a Goo he perceived as just a child/brat

Yeah, a young Goo definitely did NOT see Tom Lee's full power.

Even if he didn't state it directly, 15 year old Gun's best feat is scaling to a single Kojima and overwhelming them slowly due to having better endurance, technique, skill etc (The Kojima were loosing but I don't think Gun was outright a tier stronger than them)

Pre prison Gun got power crept by 3A Jake (imo the Gun that unlocked heat mode against Goo should be as strong as conviction that surpassed his prison self, and Cheoninlang heat mode Gun that fought the Kojima should be a tier above that)

Madeok and Yuseong are bare minimum king level if not above average King level so they should arguably scale HIGHER than 15 year old Gun and Goo (unless PTJ does yet another retroactive upscale and suddenly 14 year old Gun had already surpassed prime shingen or something)

Point being the best you can get for 15 year old Gun and Goo is single Kojima level who are not even King kevel and even if they were they got off screened by Tom so hard we haven't seen them since

So your point is kind of moot, Goo's perception of Tom Lee's power is probably really low because there is no way Tom Lee was throwing large building level punches against someone who wasn't even king level yet

I really think that if Young Goo and Gun are above King level, then they should be comparable to Mandeok and Yuseong. And I know it's jarring because a Young Gun would then be far superior to the Kojima brothers, but keep in mind that he probably wasn't even fighting seriously, just like he did in the Hostel arc.

 

[Powerscalingcat]

Gun's scar doesn't really make sense, and that justification about Gun's skin doesn't make sense either. Most likely, Gun, knowing how masochistic he is, would have allowed Jerry to hurt him without taking it too seriously, but that doesn't mean he's remotely on Jerry's level. Also, when they make Tom bleed, it's simply because he's not taking it seriously or because he's usually suffering from hemoptysis due to overdoing it in fights (which still happens even now, even in fights between comparable people).

That.. was my point, that way weaker characters have been able to hurt way stronger characters in the past, also why does the thing about Gun being unable to train his skin make sense? We know that cannocially they can't train their organs (cuz duh how would you?) This isn't indicative of Gun's actual durability

Yeah, a young Goo definitely did NOT see Tom Lee's full power.

I really think that if Young Goo and Gun are above King level, then they should be comparable to Mandeok and Yuseong. And I know it's jarring because a Young Gun would then be far superior to the Kojima brothers, but keep in mind that he probably wasn't even fighting seriously, just like he did in the Hostel arc.

Gun defiantly was fighting the Kojima seriously, non serious Gun is Gun wearing his glasses/without his glasses but casual

Serious Gun is heat mode Gun (when he gets excited) and rips his shirt off, he also had the same killing aura as when he told gen 2 he was gonna get serious (fighting with killing intent) Gun was 15/16 during cheoninlang so him being that weak should be fine as the dude was already low king kevel lol and could arguably beat a king especially if he went UI

I don't think he had unlocked masteries by then or at least wasn't shown to have

Anyhow I am glad we agree young Goo did not see Tom's full power, imo given that the highest you can scale 15 year old Gun and Goo is vaguely small building level I don't think Tom was throwing large building level punches so imo the current BH scaling is fine

 

[Pyro9278]

That.. was my point, that way weaker characters have been able to hurt way stronger characters in the past, also why does the thing about Gun being unable to train his skin make sense? We know that cannocially they can't train their organs (cuz duh how would you?) This isn't indicative of Gun's actual durability

Yeah

Gun defiantly was fighting the Kojima seriously, non serious Gun is Gun wearing his glasses/without his glasses but casual

Serious Gun is heat mode Gun (when he gets excited) and rips his shirt off, he also had the same killing aura as when he told gen 2 he was gonna get serious (fighting with killing intent) Gun was 15/16 during cheoninlang so him being that weak should be fine as the dude was already low king kevel lol and could arguably beat a king especially if he went UI

I don't think he had unlocked masteries by then or at least wasn't shown to have

Anyhow I am glad we agree young Goo did not see Tom's full power, imo given that the highest you can scale 15 year old Gun and Goo is vaguely small building level I don't think Tom was throwing large building level punches so imo the current BH scaling is fine

I believe that Gun and Goo from Cheonliang are actually at higher levels than they appear, although until more is shown of them, they will remain only one level above the Kojima brothers.

Edit: Btw, what do you think of what I told you in the DM?

 

[Pxnd_013]

Random thought,why do we never scale Basement Hulk to High 8-C, since the narrative was practically screaming that Hangyeoul has physical stats of Tom Lee, and even Goo confirmed twice that he was on par with Tom Lee? So why do we never actually give him that rating?

To be honest, I actually made a CRT to upgrade him to High 8-C based on this reasoning. However, after thinking it over, it would end up pushing a lot of characters into High 8-C, which feels rather unreasonable.

Another point is that the Tom Goo fought was from several years ago, and that wasn't even Tom at his most serious. Therefore, we don't know whether Tom fought more seriously against Gun and Goo or against Gap.

 

[Aksh_sky]

BTW, Rainangel's Doom feat got accepted. Will that fall like Gun's Class K? or will it upgrade the LS of God tiers to Class M, since Doom should have physical stats of LL Tom (Jincheol never saw FP Tom)

I'll likely make an LS crt about chaiscaling the verse and charecters to both the class M feats we have, of Doom and Igor.

 

[Aksh_sky]

To be honest, I actually made a CRT to upgrade him to High 8-C based on this reasoning. However, after thinking it over, it would end up pushing a lot of characters into High 8-C, which feels rather unreasonable.

Another point is that the Tom Goo fought was from several years ago, and that wasn't even Tom at his most serious. Therefore, we don't know whether Tom fought more seriously against Gun and Goo or against Gap.

BH is a fodder with outdated and unreliable narritives. Gets one tapped by no UF one night Taeso.

 

[CatLover313]

We got 3 CRT's running now, so just a heads up to not add anymore for now (CGD's don't count towards the max...........)

 

[Aksh_sky]

We got 3 CRT's running now, so just a heads up to not add anymore for now (CGD's don't count towards the max...........)

Ye I was literally working for the CGD. But i didn't expected the docs to be that big. Ig it'll be out soon.

 

[Kakistan]

Does CGD mean Calculation Group Discussion? This'll be my first time seeing one, I'm surprised it takes so long

BTW, Rainangel's Doom feat got accepted. Will that fall like Gun's Class K? or will it upgrade the LS of God tiers to Class M, since Doom should have physical stats of LL Tom (Jincheol never saw FP Tom)

He's lowkey a goat, people gotta check out the Alexander calc he made. It's a really good LS feat for fodders https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...ookism_-_Alexander_Hwang_breaks_gold_necklace

I disagree wih the speed blizts thing, Daniel's comment doesn't mean he didn't see Johan rather he has no idea HOW he did, I say this because we literally see Daniel copy Johan later and replicate the feat and we know Daniel's copy works based on sight so by default he had to have seen how Johan did it

Oh forreal? What chapter did Daniel copy this?

The only version of Tom Lee, Goo knew atp was the one he and Gun fought when they were 15, that version of Tom hadn't come out of retirement yet (Tom himself states it has been 3 years since he came out of retirement which is exactly when Goo and Gun were sent to test him during the white demon arc) which we see during their fight was nowhere near close to Tom's full power (Goo was unaware Tom was holding back and Tom was unaware how much stronger Goo had gotten)

I don't have much input on the BH discussion but I have one thing to say at least: Tom Lee wasn't convinced 2A Mandeok & Yuseong were on 3YA Gun & Goo's level yet (from what they had shown so far) and took down his hair, which signifies going beyond 50%, in order to test if they were as strong as the duo.

This means Teen Goo had at least faced a version of Tom much stronger than 50%. And it's NOT the retired Tom on the bench that is being referred to, as we can see Tom wearing a suit during the fight (the suit identical to when he fought Old Gapryong). See here

Considering 1 injection made BH go from being comparable to a Tom Lee who was completely playing around (4A) to being equal in stats to a serious hair-down Tom, the Phase 3 BH who was injected 81x with that same amp must be incredibly strong comparatively. Not that this matters a lot considering he got no-diffed immediately.



Anyways, what do you guys think of the Paecheon Fingering feat? It's definitely Pulverization at MINIMUM but lowkey the insane amount of vapour in the area, especially as it's coming straight from the hole and is filling the background, makes me think Vaporization is a possibility (CMIIW)
Paecheon's Finger (The amount of finger feats in this series in funny)

 

[Aksh_sky]

Does CGD mean Calculation Group Discussion? This'll be my first time seeing one, I'm surprised it takes so long

Not really, it doens't take THAT long like weeks long, just with my case as there's something called 'having other works to do' or 'being busy' or in my case 'being busy and a bit lazy to do so in free time' maybe that's why it's taking that long but it would had either way taken long because of how many pixel scaling i had to do for it. It takes even longer to organise them, will be out soon, trust.

 

[Powerscalingcat]

BH is a fodder with outdated and unreliable narritives. Gets one tapped by no UF one night Taeso.

What
Since when?

No.1 is no top tier obv
And we got a lot of power creep since then
But one night 3 out of prime Taesoo is insane
Given that 1A Hudson should arguably as strong or stronger than that version (imo 1A Hudson is base Cheoninlang Taesoo level) and BH one shot him

All the crewheads said that one clean hit from phase 1 would do them in let alone phase 2 and 3

The only ones who beat BH are top tiers

 

[Powerscalingcat]

Does CGD mean Calculation Group Discussion? This'll be my first time seeing one, I'm surprised it takes so long


He's lowkey a goat, people gotta check out the Alexander calc he made. It's a really good LS feat for fodders https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...ookism_-_Alexander_Hwang_breaks_gold_necklace


Oh forreal? What chapter did Daniel copy this?

Ep 152, what they are doing is pulling so hard the lock breaks which is an LS feat not a speed feat

I don't have much input on the BH discussion but I have one thing to say at least: Tom Lee wasn't convinced 2A Mandeok & Yuseong were on 3YA Gun & Goo's level yet (from what they had shown so far) and took down his hair, which signifies going beyond 50%, in order to test if they were as strong as the duo.

This means Teen Goo had at least faced a version of Tom much stronger than 50%. And it's NOT the retired Tom on the bench that is being referred to, as we can see Tom wearing a suit during the fight (the suit identical to when he fought Old Gapryong). See here

Fair enough then though I'd like to see the fight itself before actually applying scaling, while Tom wasn't convinced they were on their level he WAS still reminded of them and as you said was about to go above 50%

And my point still stands that even if it wasn't retired Tom, Goo's perception of Tom's power was still a significant low ball given that Tom in 1A consistently adjusted to match a much stronger version of Goo while still holding back significantly (no signature move, no ultimate king significant move etc)

Considering 1 injection made BH go from being comparable to a Tom Lee who was completely playing around (4A) to being equal in stats to a serious hair-down Tom, the Phase 3 BH who was injected 81x with that same amp must be incredibly strong comparatively. Not that this matters a lot considering he got no-diffed immediately.

Fair enough

Anyways, what do you guys think of the Paecheon Fingering feat? It's definitely Pulverization at MINIMUM but lowkey the insane amount of vapour in the area, especially as it's coming straight from the hole and is filling the background, makes me think Vaporization is a possibility (CMIIW)
Paecheon's Finger (The amount of finger feats in this series in funny)

 

[Aksh_sky]

No.1 is no top tier obv
And we got a lot of power creep since then
But one night 3 out of prime Taesoo is insane

No? The amount of damage he did to James while he was literally blocking and made even James sweat for a moment proves that he is strong enough to slam BH, James literally even trained after Cheonliang.

Given that 1A Hudson should arguably as strong or stronger than that version (imo 1A Hudson is base Cheoninlang Taesoo level) and BH one shot him

LOL WHAT. Did u said 1A HudSON is ANY version of Taeso level? Ts take is genuinely criminally bad.

All the crewheads said that one clean hit from phase 1 would do them in let alone phase 2 and 3

All at that time where complete fodders.

The only ones who beat BH are top tiers

Ye bro, the Top tier King of Paju is negging BH.

 

[Aksh_sky]

Ep 152, what they are doing is pulling so hard the lock breaks which is an LS feat not a speed feat

What

 

[Sigmagoon14]

New feat

 

[Kakistan]

New feat

Jesus christ, a genuine air pressure feat.

Looking further at it, that spiral thing is SO COOL.
On top of having a much more profound character from this backstory, his attacks are awesome.

 

[Kakistan]

Wait, that's BASE Gapryong?

 

[StrikingMosquito245]

Wait, that's BASE Gapryong?

Yep that's him alright

 

[Sigmagoon14]

Maybe New Speed Feat?

 

[Aksh_sky]

Why ts guy looks so freaky tho

 

[CatLover313]

Maybe New Speed Feat?

Sadly no timeframe, I'd say 1 panel = 1 second but there's like, a ton of controversy on that argument.

 

[Supreme_chaos18]

New feat

Holy shi

 

[Powerscalingcat]

Currently reading the new chapter but it seems I was right

PTJ did just retcon Invisible attacks into being speed mastery based fighting style rather than their own unique mastery so we might want to change the vswiki mastery article

 

[Powerscalingcat]

No? The amount of damage he did to James while he was literally blocking and made even James sweat for a moment proves that he is strong enough to slam BH, James literally even trained after Cheonliang.

He trained after Cheoninlang and then became an idol for a few years and became rusty bruh

you can't tell me you seriously believe a version of Taesoo James CALLED weaker than his prime self was performing better against James than current Kitae is

LOL WHAT. Did u said 1A HudSON is ANY version of Taeso level? Ts take is genuinely criminally bad.

All at that time where complete fodders.

Ye bro, the Top tier King of Paju is negging BH.

They obviously got stronger but why are you assuming they got like several one shots stronger?(except for Johan lol) BH could have legit one shotted the crewheads at full power just by swinging blindly and they had to 4v1 him (granted they were exhausted but still)

Path Johan can obv low diff all no.1 phases
Incheon Jake and hormone Samuel I think can low/mid diff phase 1
Current Eli hasn't really shown any better feats so he would probably lose unfortunately
I think Jake and Samuel could maybe extreme diff phase 2 but phase 3 would absolutely wreck them given that it was able to temporarily blizs weapons Goo when a more casual version of Goo coulf percpetion blizts Jageyon

Anyone above Incheon crewhead level would put absolute hands on No.1 tho
Pacheon without using black blood or sword could probably low diff no.1 despite the huge stat difference due to better BIQ, masteries, better endurance etc


anyhow don't get me wrong I love Taesoo but let's be deadass one night 3 Taesoo is NOT THAT strong, you say all of that but James Lee legit said that version of Taesoo had gotten weaker, which is supported by the fact that James in Cheoninlang could not deflect his attacks meanwhile One night 3 James basically no diff'd Taesoo using techique mastery

Taesoo got fired up from heat mode Zack, villain Vasco and heat mode Daniel

Current Zack could probably finger flick his heat mode version to death given that a stronger heat mode Zack lost to Kenta and then a greenhorn version of Zack with Gongseob's training one shot Kenta who couldn't even harm him

You're focusing on a bunch of panels which are frankly outliers/retcons while ignoring all the other panels Taesoo has in order to upscale him lol (not to mention James himself also being out of prime)
Go reread one night 3 and then Taesoo's conversation with Sekdoku, Sekdoku intially thinks 2 gens fighting a 1st gen king is one sided mindless violence but Taesoo corrects him and says that NO it WAS a proper fight and that he felt fired up like back in the first generation

He wouldn't be saying that if Zack, Vasco and Daniel were complete fodders to him bruh

 

[Powerscalingcat]

What

Can you elaborate why you are surprised here lol

We see Johan pulling on a locked door and then that door opens, the paneling makes it seem like he forced the door open

So the way I interpret it is that Johan pulled the door so hard it shattered the lock/hinge and forced it open rather than he perception blizting Daniel lol

The focus of the scene is clearly on Johan opening the door not his speed bruh

 

[Powerscalingcat]

Maybe New Speed Feat?

We might have a genuine slow mo feat in lookism for the first time ever because Elite did this while all of the debri was still in the air which is INSANE

 

[CatLover313]

We might have a genuine slow mo feat in lookism for the first time ever because Elite did this while all of the debri was still in the air which is INSANE

“slow mo feat”…. That’s not how that works

 

[Aksh_sky]

He trained after Cheoninlang and then became an idol for a few years and became rusty bruh

Classic headcanons and a misinfo passing down since the heian era. Nothing implied he got weaker or slower, the only thing he said that he isn't as 'good' as before but it could just mean many things and even contextually it had nothing to do with fighting since the fight was already over when he said that.

you can't tell me you seriously believe a version of Taesoo James CALLED weaker than his prime self was performing better against James than current Kitae is

Ok? James got stronger. That's it. Also James usually holds back alot and that's why he gets cooked by his opponents at first but then he locks in. Did the same with Tom but not with Kitae.

They obviously got stronger but why are you assuming they got like several one shots stronger?(except for Johan lol) BH could have legit one shotted the crewheads at full power just by swinging blindly and they had to 4v1 him (granted they were exhausted but still)

Literally attacked Eli but couldn't 'one shot'. Same with Samuel. And he could only 4v1 with the crazy amounts of amps he was getting.

Path Johan can obv low diff all no.1 phases
Incheon Jake and hormone Samuel I think can low/mid diff phase 1

I can legit arm Samuel to beat Path Johan only if it wasn't for narritives. Path Johan is overrated aff.

Anyone above Incheon crewhead level would put absolute hands on No.1 tho
Pacheon without using black blood or sword could probably low diff no.1 despite the huge stat difference due to better BIQ, masteries, better endurance etc

Ye it'll be overkill. Even those speed fodders might slam.

Current Eli hasn't really shown any better feats so he would probably lose unfortunately
I think Jake and Samuel could maybe extreme diff phase 2 but phase 3 would absolutely wreck them given that it was able to temporarily blizs weapons Goo when a more casual version of Goo coulf percpetion blizts Jageyon

Current Jake one shots BH and so does Samuel. Not even close.

anyhow don't get me wrong I love Taesoo but let's be deadass one night 3 Taesoo is NOT THAT strong,

Stronger than 2T Seongji.

you say all of that but James Lee legit said that version of Taesoo had gotten weaker, which is supported by the fact that James in Cheoninlang could not deflect his attacks meanwhile One night 3 James basically no diff'd Taesoo using techique mastery

Ye one night James did not no diff, he was sweating bullets and there are many panels as evidence. And that js means Taeso is him. James most likely fought Taeso in FP when he defeated Taeso for the first time.

Go reread one night 3 and then Taesoo's conversation with Sekdoku, Sekdoku intially thinks 2 gens fighting a 1st gen king is one sided mindless violence but Taesoo corrects him and says that NO it WAS a proper fight and that he felt fired up like back in the first generation

Any conversation about powerscaling and if Bumkeodu is in the conversation then it cannot be taken seriously. Anyways, when did it happen? I think it talking about the time Samuel gave Seokdu a wedgie.

 

[Powerscalingcat]

Classic headcanons and a misinfo passing down since the heian era. Nothing implied he got weaker or slower, the only thing he said that he isn't as 'good' as before but it could just mean many things and even contextually it had nothing to do with fighting since the fight was already over when he said that.

Wha- WDYM HEADCANNON THAT'S LITERALLY WHAT HAPPENED
You say there is no implication he got weaker and that I am headcannoning and then in your next sentence you provide the EXACT statment from James himself that implies he is weaker than before, and then headcannon that he wasn't talking about the fight
Just because the fight is over doesn't mean James can't comment on his performance during the fight and how it compares to his past self what kind of logic is that?
Also what else could he possibly be talking about? 'I am not as good as I was before' right after he finished his fight with Taesoo, GEE I wonder what he could POSSIBLY be reffering to here... /s
Contextually atp in the story the only thing we know about James is that he single handedly ended the first generation and the only thing he did against Taesoo in their fight was beat him up, contextually James being rusty is the only thing that statement could imply because that's literally the only information PTJ gives us, 'I am not as good as I used to be' implies that James used to be better at whatever he is currently doing/been doing, the only things James did during the Taesoo fight was talk and fight.
Also James not being as good would make him slower as the masteries are all technique based, its how you leverage your strenght, speed, techique and endurance, so James's technique being rusty would directly impact his abbility to fight that's literally just fighting 101
Don't throw around accusations of misinformation and headcannons when your whole argument is based on headcannons

Ok? James got stronger. That's it. Also James usually holds back alot and that's why he gets cooked by his opponents at first but then he locks in. Did the same with Tom but not with Kitae.

True, though the whole point of this argument is whether or not one night III James is as strong as his Cheoninlang 3T self which what proof is there for that given that you yourself admitted that James stated he wasn't as good as he used to be lol

Literally attacked Eli but couldn't 'one shot'. Same with Samuel. And he could only 4v1 with the crazy amounts of amps he was getting.

Holy LARPism

Eli outright stated that the only reason he is ALIVE is because he fought No.1 in an environment that was to his advantage and that if No.1 landed ONE CLEAN HIT HE WOULD BE A GONER
The rest of the crewheads also commented that No.1 is the strongest fighter they have faced yet ans that his fighting prowess is LITERALLY IMMEASURABLE

Also tf are you on about? No.1 has ZERO AMPs when the crewheads jumped him in a 4v1, he only got amped AFTER they extreme diff him (had to use Samuel as a meat shield to keep him in place and use a combo attack similar to what Warren and Jerry did against Gun)
Warren also said No.1 reminded him of a held back Tom Lee, Zack compared him to Gongseob and Vasco compared him to Brekdak (Brekdak who King thinks is a formidabble fighter, same King who could somewhat fight against 50%+ Tom Lee)
This was ALL phase 1 No.1 BTW

The moment No.1 went phase 2 all the crewheads immediately concluded they were screwed before Goo arrived to save the day lol
Lookism readers are never beating the 'we can't read' allegations
PLEASE go back and reread the 1A arc
 

I can legit arm Samuel to beat Path Johan only if it wasn't for narritives. Path Johan is overrated aff.

Ye it'll be overkill. Even those speed fodders might slam.

Current Jake one shots BH and so does Samuel. Not even close.

Stronger than 2T Seongji.

4 consequtive horrendous takes back to back holy crap

Ye one night James did not no diff, he was sweating bullets and there are many panels as evidence. And that js means Taeso is him. James most likely fought Taeso in FP when he defeated Taeso for the first time.

You yourself literally stated James usually holds back and then he cooks his opponent,which is exactly what happened lol
Also James fighting Cheoninlang Taesoo at FP is a headcannon assumption.
Did you forget the second part of the fight where James knocked Taesoo's fake eye out of his socket, lifted his entire body up with his leg and slammed him down onto the ground? By the end of it James had not even a scratch and Taesoo looked like a beat up wet dog
That is like the definition of a no diff fight given that James basically manhandled Taesoo

Any conversation about powerscaling and if Bumkeodu is in the conversation then it cannot be taken seriously. Anyways, when did it happen? I think it talking about the time Samuel gave Seokdu a wedgie.

BRUH
Gimme a second
Edit: Episode 408
Direct quoations of their conversation:

Sekdoku: "What? you met with Seoul's second generation?"
Taesoo: "That's right before meeting James Lee, I fought with the second generation"
Sekdoku: "The king of Ansan fighting with the second generation? You must be joking! That's ruthless one sided violence!"
Taesoo: "No. It WAS a FIGHT. Those kids were NOT WEAK (showing panels of heat mode Daniel, heat mode Zack and Villain Vasco) they were so GOOD I even felt FIRED UP."
"You know as well as I do the thrill of a GOOD FIGHT, the exhilaration that only our generation can understand, that FIGHT made me go back to the good old days."
Please read before scaling dawg
I am tired of agenda scaling you can love Taesoo without wanking him to high heaven yk that right?

 

[Powerscalingcat]

“slow mo feat”…. That’s not how that works

Oh sowwy QwQ
To be fair I never claimed to be a calc expert
If anything I am the one constantly having to advocate for lookism not being hypersonic via multipliers lol

 

[CatLover313]

Oh sowwy QwQ
To be fair I never claimed to be a calc expert
If anything I am the one constantly having to advocate for lookism not being hypersonic via multipliers lol

No worries