Aizen vs. Ganondorf

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Right, so I remember seeing a Ichigo vs Ganondorf thread, but that's obviously a stomp. This one should be much better. The fight takes place in Seireitei. Aizen is in his chair.

Aize:

Ganondorf: 1

Standard Battle Assumptions

EoS Aizen and Adult Timeline/Child Timeline Ganondorf. Speed is equalized. Who wins?

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Ganon, even as his lesser avatar Aganhim, has Mind hax comparable, if not superior to, KS. Combine that with a ton of other powers that Aizen can't counter (BFR, soul manipulation, low level reality warping), can take getting shanked if it comes down to it, and comparable intellect (which honestly, says a lot for Ganon), and it's a win for the king of evil.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

So, that's one for our ugly friend Ganon.

Though, Aizen starts out immediately with KS, so wouldn't Ganondorf be getting his senses screwed from the beginning? BFR is almost always useless against Bleach characters, he can travel through dimensions, everything in Bleach is soul related and fodder resists Soul Manipulation, the Hogyoku gives Aizen low level Reality Warping as well, but he hasn't used it offensively except we want to count him wishing to lose his powers against Ichigo.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

The place Ganon BFRs you to, the Dark World turns you into what represents you most, and you lose your powers in the process, and it just requires a touch of his trident. The other one is a gap between dimensions, and can be used from the other side of Hyrule. Or he could seal him in a crystal from the same distance. There's also possession, the flaming head's intangibility, possible AP advantage (given that Ganon doing his feat was casual AF), invisibility, and duplication/creating Puppet Ganon (a giant marionette version of him that's honestly scarier than real Ganon)

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Okay. But I doubt he can do all these things like this if Aizen is controlling all his senses.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I mean, that's assuming he can, or gets it off first, considering he is can subdue things that can only be seen with an illusion dispersing item (Lens of Truth)

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

For this version of Aizen, KS works by just looking at him.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

In that case, starting distance plays a big part. Ganon doesn't need to look at him to win, given his BFR, sealing, and mind hax. But if he starts facing him like, ten meters away, it becomes over before it starts.

 

[PaChi2]

@Burning Aizen cannot really control his reality warping abilities.

And I dont think Aizen has a feasible way to bypass Ganondorf's intagibility.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Yeah I don't believe he can use it properly too, but didn't he wish for the Hogyoku to take away his powers?

How does the intangibility work? If it isn't passive or doesn't automatically activate, Aizen should have a chance if he's controlling what Ganondorf sees and all that.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

He just turns into a flaming intangible head. He does lead with invisibility in Zelda (classic) though.

 

[PaChi2]

Aizen has sensing abilities, so invisibility doesnt add much here.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Okay. Well, Aizen and other Bleach characters can sense. He has cross dimensional sensing as of the Quincy Blood War arc and something of a sixth sense with reikaku.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Invisibility in the Zelda series cannot be sensed, given that the fairies cannot do anything about it.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Err, what? I need a better explanation. How good is their sensing and stuff like that?

 

[PaChi2]

Invisibility in the Zelda series cannot be sensed, given that the fairies cannot do anything about it.

That sounds NLF-ish.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

The fairies, Navi and Tatl, have good enough sensing that they can target where a scarecrow can be summoned (long story), what room contains Wallmasters (long story), what blocks can be targeted with the Song of Time (you get the point), and the presence of enemies (hey, look, listen).

 

[PaChi2]

Aizen has better individual sensing abilities.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

It would be NLF if it bypassed stuff like infrared, soul sensing, etc. It just gets around Extrasensory Perception

 

[PaChi2]

Aizen uses Soul Sensing, Im afraid.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

I see...

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

And he can also sense emotions on a cross dimensional level.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

It depends on who haxxes whom first. Aizen's hax is his bread and butter. Ganon has more of them that can insta-win. I'm still gonna side with the pig though, as Aizen still has to follow up to kill, and Ganon can just transport himself to the Dark World for safety (if Aizen follows him, he's getting transmuted and losing his powers and items)

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Lmao, I honestly don't want to imagine Ganon is a pig. I wish I never saw his picture. >_>

If he falls under KS, Aizen can make him see what he wants to see. I don't know if you understand, but he can make him see favourable things, while in reality he's in trouble. Also, if he goes to the Dark World, doesn't he have to come back?

 

[PaChi2]

if Ganon falls under KS, inconclusive since Aizen doesnt have a way to put him down for good, if he doesnt, he BFRs and wins.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

How about Hado #90 (although, this thing never worked on anyone) or binding/sealing with Kido?

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Hmm....

 

[PaChi2]

Binding isnt a wincondition, I think.

Aizen hasnt shown sealing in a remarkable level (and Ganondorf has experience breaking free from seals).

Hado 90 doesnt work on intangible beings like Ganondorf (floating magical entities), I think. I mean, its gravity.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

It would count as incapacitation.

True, I was thinking more along the lines of him stacking Kido like Hachigen did against Barragan.

Maybe, but KS should help out in this regard. And Hado #90 apparently warps space and atoms, so I don't know if turning into fire would help much. Though, like I said, it never showed anything like that so I guess we shouldn't factor it doing that in this debate?

 

[PaChi2]

https://youtu.be/U4V9xHpopsQ

I wouldnt say he is fire per se.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Actually Aizen doesnt have his Reality Warping in this battle anyway. He can only use it when he has the Hyogoku, which EoS Aizen doesnt have.

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

He does. How else would he have Regenerationn? Aizen told Gin that the Hogyoku is already his, regardless of if it's in his body or not. Did anyone ever destroy it or remove it from him after his fight with Ichigo?

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Wait really?

I thought it was decided a while ago that EoS Aizen doesnt have it since it rejected him after Ichigo defeated him. Or at the very least it was decided we don't know whether he has it or not.

 

[LordAizenSama]

^No

The Hogyoku rejecting Aizen was only Uraharas hypothesis. Ichigo later questioned that aswell.

It also makes sense that he still has it and it obeys him, it explains his powerup in muken (And really, who could take it off him anyway)

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Ichigo said it was Aizen who wished to lose his powers, we could say the Hogyoku rejected him to an extent since his Zanpakutō got disintegrated and EoS Aizen didn't show stuff like teleportation, but we have no indication that anyone pulled it out of him and he showed Regenerationn, which he doesn't have without it.

Ah yeah, what Aizen said.

 

[ProfessorKukui4Life]

Huh. Well look at that lol.

Guess he does have it here then.

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Bumping so we can get a...less controversial Bleach vs Nintendo match ovo

 

[The_real_cal_howard]

Bump

 

[Burning_Full_Fingers]

Seems like Ganon got some new hax and abilities.