All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

[Eden5Zeroo]

Yeah but DB fans don't actually read the series with a true understanding of it, so they just sound dumb when trying to give criticism.

Dragonball is on my list

The main reason me didnt read it is because there are no colors, and only heard bad things about it etc. etc. like product of if time, unrealistic, dumb and childish, and some other things but im not sure if i would get banned here for such words xD

But theres something I dont get??? How can dragonball sell more than 450 million copies, and what actual mangakas say about it? It doesnt add up. Like demon slayer, some guys say its trash, i have read demon slayer, and even tho the story is simple, its still good! So it somehow justifies the sales numbers, though the anime did a lot of the work^^ i think even without such a quality anime, numbers would still be good.

There are a few people i have met whose opinions i really trust, and according to them ... its great!

pros and cons of dragonball confused me a lot, so i decided to just read it and make up my own mind

 

[TiltedFN]

Dragonball is on my list

Read it, all the way through.

The main reason me didnt read it is because there are no colors

There are colored versions you can find.

, and only heard bad things about it etc. etc. like product of if time, unrealistic, dumb and childish, and some other things but im not sure if i would get banned here for such words xD

Interesting. Dragon Ball is quite praised, but it obviously has its fair share of backlash. Well, more than fair. Most criticisms you see are from people that actually haven't consumed the series and think that because Dragon Ball paved the way for other series, that Dragon Ball itself is inferior. This couldn't be further away from the truth. Just read it for yourself and form your own opinion without being influenced from outsiders who have no idea what they're talking about.

But theres something I dont get??? How can it sell more than 450 million copies, and what actual mangakas say about it? It doesnt add up. I have read demon slayer, and even tho the story is simple, its still good! So it somehow justifies the sales numbers, though the anime did a lot of the work^^ i think even without such a quality anime, numbers would still be good.

Dragon Ball is praised by like so many mangaka. And yeah, it doesn't have that many copies sold without reason. It has the most copies sold per volume of like all time I think? Demon Slayer might be above currently, but you get the point. The anime did help boost manga sales yes, but most people who weren't exposed to Dragon Ball through the manga were inspired to pick it up because of the anime highlighting how good it is. And you're right, without an anime, the first few volumes sold like 2-3 million copies. This was before the anime, and when it was a gag manga instead of like super serious stakes. Even then it was still filled with strong characterization and world building.

There are a few people i have met whose opinions i really trust, and according to them ... its great!

It is, and you'll absolutely enjoy it.

 

[Eden5Zeroo]

Read it, all the way through.

There are colored versions you can find.

Interesting. Dragon Ball is quite praised, but it obviously has its fair share of backlash. Well, more than fair. Most criticisms you see are from people that actually haven't consumed the series and think that because Dragon Ball paved the way for other series, that Dragon Ball itself is inferior. This couldn't be further away from the truth. Just read it for yourself and form your own opinion without being influenced from outsiders who have no idea what they're talking about.

Dragon Ball is praised by like so many mangaka. And yeah, it doesn't have that many copies sold without reason. It has the most copies sold per volume of like all time I think? Demon Slayer might be above currently, but you get the point. The anime did help boost manga sales yes, but most people who weren't exposed to Dragon Ball through the manga were inspired to pick it up because of the anime highlighting how good it is. And you're right, without an anime, the first few volumes sold like 2-3 million copies. This was before the anime, and when it was a gag manga instead of like super serious stakes. Even then it was still filled with strong characterization and world building.

It is, and you'll absolutely enjoy it.

nothing is perfect my friend. but what scared me about dragonball is that its fans heavily criticized it ... thats why i decided to just read it and form my opinion.

no i meant demon slayer. its a good story but the anime boosted its sales but even without it, ds would still do great numbers, in my opinion. My point was that a bad show cant sell as much. While sales numbers dont tell the full story, they are still a good indicator of quality

Im not in the discord anymore, sadly.... There was a big dicussions with multiple japanese guys but it boilts down to this comment

"There’s a theory that Shueisha and Toei downplay Dragon Ball’s sales to make One Piece seem more impressive, even though multiple sources have confirmed over 350 million sales 2009 and 2013, and that number likely doesn’t even include bootlegs, like the 150 million copies sold in China alone.

Knowing how Toei and the others handle DB, I wouldn’t be surprised at all ... but thats just a theory.

Maybe they used a time machine and saw what happens? Dragonballs full potential could cause the world to end?"

 

[UnoRebaixadO]

Read it, all the way through.

There are colored versions you can find.

Interesting. Dragon Ball is quite praised, but it obviously has its fair share of backlash. Well, more than fair. Most criticisms you see are from people that actually haven't consumed the series and think that because Dragon Ball paved the way for other series, that Dragon Ball itself is inferior. This couldn't be further away from the truth. Just read it for yourself and form your own opinion without being influenced from outsiders who have no idea what they're talking about.

Dragon Ball is praised by like so many mangaka. And yeah, it doesn't have that many copies sold without reason. It has the most copies sold per volume of like all time I think? Demon Slayer might be above currently, but you get the point. The anime did help boost manga sales yes, but most people who weren't exposed to Dragon Ball through the manga were inspired to pick it up because of the anime highlighting how good it is. And you're right, without an anime, the first few volumes sold like 2-3 million copies. This was before the anime, and when it was a gag manga instead of like super serious stakes. Even then it was still filled with strong characterization and world building.

It is, and you'll absolutely enjoy it.

The good thing about Dragon Ball (especially the classic one) is that the panels and the flow, especially during the fights, are really good.

Unlike One Piece, where you basically need a PhD just to figure out what’s going on in the panels.

 

[Eden5Zeroo]

@TiltedFN according to a japanese mod, it sounds legit since they wouldnt have said it on TV if it werent true, especially in japan

So it had 350M+ 2009/2013 , now it should be closer to 400M.

if we stick to 400m without the bootlegs , 8.33 million copies sold per volume

 

[Eden5Zeroo]

The good thing about Dragon Ball (especially the classic one) is that the panels and the flow, especially during the fights, are really good.

Unlike One Piece, where you basically need a PhD just to figure out what’s going on in the panels.

im pretty excited to read it because it seems unique due to the circumstances surrounding dragonball. the story gets downplayed, even the author, feats (?), fights, and even sales numbers all get downplayed XD

and from what ivve seen, that tomriama guy designed the characters for one of my favorite JRPGs so I MUST read dragonball

 

[MannyQ361]

Granted, "electric shock" (電撃) is a generic term attributed to a number of different electricity-based techniques, including the Pirate Robot's generator-based electric blast, Buyon and Piccolo's Antenna Beam, and Cymbal's lightning attacks. None of them are Ki Manipulation Techniques; all of them involve amplifying an electric current to levels far exceeding the few billion of joules/s produced by lightning. Could easily make an argument that all of them are lightning attacks.

Maybe Glorio could add to it given his lightning attacks.

 

[Eden5Zeroo]

i remember a cool picture of that Goku guy .... he looked sad and had white hair. Does anyone know which chapter it is?

it was the kind of picture that, even without many fancy details, you could just look at for hours ...

editor ok i just typed goku sad face and found it ... lol! This is one of my all time favs + color

 

[Sparkive]

Any idea involving adapting the DBS manga or, God forbid, remaking the anime—DB or DBS—sucks. I genuinely cannot fathom why anybody would want a rethread of readily available material instead of another original story.

At least for the manga adaptation, is for the same reason that a person who reads any manga switches to anime. For example, particularly in the Moro saga, there are several moments that I would like to see animated.
Aside from that, Dragon Ball video games can't use any characters that only exist in the manga; an adaptation would allow their use.

 

[Eden5Zeroo]

At least for the manga adaptation, is for the same reason that a person who reads any manga switches to anime. For example, particularly in the Moro saga, there are several moments that I would like to see animated.
Aside from that, Dragon Ball video games can't use any characters that only exist in the manga; an adaptation would allow their use.

wasnt there a manga adapation last year or so?

 

[Sparkive]

wasnt there a manga adapation last year or so?

No,
The latest anime is a completely original anime (Dragon Ball Daima).
And the latest media adaptation is actually the manga adapting the Superhero movie. (in 2022, and in my opinion, the manga adaptation is better than the movie, actually)

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Are we really saying that Grade 3 makes you over x50 slower? And like, why the hell would Cell jump to Grade 3, a power-up he straight up calls useless, and not, ya know, SSJ, if he was apparently just hiding it all that time?

Firstly, how does any of what I said imply Grade 3 makes you over 50x slower?

Secondly, why would Cell jump to Grade 3, which maximizes his power in exchange for losing speed and stamina, instead of the normal Super Saiyan form, which balances power with speed and stamina? Because he was angry. Because he was "blinded by rage". Because his fully powered Kamehameha was instantly nullified moments before, and he needed as much power as possible, regardless of the consequences; he wasn't thinking about the consequences.

Sure, you could do that.

But will you?

Probably.

 

[Eden5Zeroo]

No,
The latest anime is a completely original anime (Dragon Ball Daima).
And the latest media adaptation is actually the manga adapting the Superhero movie. (in 2022, and in my opinion, the manga adaptation is better than the movie, actually)

Is Superhero movie really that bad?

"Dragon Ball Super: Super Hero is a prime example of how Toei cares more about cash than craft, knowing full well that Dragon Ball will sell no matter what. It honestly felt like they set the movie up to fail; there was almost no promotion until right before the release (mostly in Japan), and the overseas marketing was even worse. They went full CGI when fans clearly wanted a mix of 2D and 3D animation, and the trailers barely showcased the best parts of the movie.

The excuse of wanting a "CGI experience for the future" didn’t hold up - One Piece Film: Red, made around the same time, actually listened to what fans wanted. The movie pushed a B-list cast and gave almost no promotion to them. Even Toriyama admitted he hadn’t worked much with Gohan and Piccolo for years. To top it off, the games and tie-ins acted like the film didn’t even exist for a long time.

And yet it still like 100 million of dollars. That’s not smart planning: that’s brand power carrying a weak release."

This comment reads like when I have no idea what to cook ... open the fridge, grab whatever, throw it in the oven and hope for the best XD

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Firstly, how does any of what I said imply Grade 3 makes you over 50x slower?

Trunks outright says that he lost speed, and this comparison is apparently to Cell's "base" form, so ya know?

Secondly, why would Cell jump to Grade 3, which maximizes his power in exchange for losing speed and stamina, instead of the normal Super Saiyan form, which balances power with speed and stamina? Because he was angry. Because he was "blinded by rage". Because his fully powered Kamehameha was instantly nullified moments before, and he needed as much power as possible, regardless of the consequences; he wasn't thinking about the consequences.

So Cell was holding back against Gohan with that Kamehameha, but when it got overpowered, he got so mad he forgot(?) he wasn’t even at full power and in desperation jumps to a form he outright calls useless and that of a fool's, rather than just using the objectively better option?

And this somehow lines up with the earlier scene where he shows everyone his "true power" which according to you, just wasn't that?

Oh, and when you say SPC isn't his equivalent of SSJ2, was Cell like, hiding a x50 multiplier in there and didn't use it cause ???

This is sounding a lot like that SSJ Ultimate Gohan fiasco.

 

[Sparkive]

Is Superhero movie really that bad?

Let me put it simply: the movie was originally only about Piccolo, but someone decided Gohan should also be the protagonist.
This ends with the movie ignoring all of his character development in Dragon Ball Super (I don't just mean stopping training), and being so negligent as a father that his daughter doubted whether her dad even loved him. (The manga doesn't fix it, but at least it makes it clear to us that Gohan will try to spend more time with his daughter.)
The final villain is boring (at least there's a gimmick in the manga).
Gohan pulls off a transformation out of nowhere (and the little explanation we get from external sources is poor).
It's not the worst part of DB (for that, probably look the first saga of GT), but it's mediocre at best.
On the other hand, I wasn't bothered much by the CGI.

 

[TiltedFN]

Let me put it simply: the movie was originally only about Piccolo, but someone decided Gohan should also be the protagonist.
This ends with the movie ignoring all of his character development in Dragon Ball Super (I don't just mean stopping training), and being so negligent as a father that his daughter doubted whether her dad even loved him. (The manga doesn't fix it, but at least it makes it clear to us that Gohan will try to spend more time with his daughter.)
The final villain is boring (at least there's a gimmick in the manga).
Gohan pulls off a transformation out of nowhere (and the little explanation we get from external sources is poor).
It's not the worst part of DB (for that, probably look the first saga of GT), but it's mediocre at best.
On the other hand, I wasn't bothered much by the CGI.

What? When did pan ever doubt if Gohan loved her or not? Y'all just be saying stuff I swear

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Trunks outright says that he lost speed, and this comparison is apparently to Cell's "base" form, so ya know?

Do you think Grade 3 has a fixed speed reduction value? The added muscle mass reduces speed and mobility. Powerhouse Cell is much larger than Super Trunks.

So Cell was holding back against Gohan with that Kamehameha, but when it got overpowered, he got so mad he forgot(?) he wasn’t even at full power and in desperation jumps to a form he outright calls useless and that of a fool's, rather than just using the objectively better option?

I'm reading GPT-level hallucinations right now. His fully powered Kamehameha was overpowered, and he became so mad and so desperate he sacrificed his speed in order to force out as much extra strength as possible. You keep bringing up the scene with Trunks, but it looks like you're forgetting Cell wasn't of sound mind against Gohan?????????????

 

[Nullflowerblush]

The Dragon Box has a few interesting tidbits of information.

悟空とブルーは追いかけっこの果てに異空間へ突入。気が付くとそこはペンギン村だった! (実は同じ世界だった!?)。
After a long chase, Goku and Blue stumble into another dimension. When they come to, they find themselves in Penguin Village! (Could it actually be the same world!?)

亀仙人の弟子で、そのバカ力は重戦車並みだ。
[The Ox-King] is a disciple of Master Roshi, and his immense strength is on par with a heavy tank.

別々に行動してはいるが、同じ生命を持つ者であり、ピッコロが死ねば神様も死んでしまう。
Though they act separately, they share the same life; if Piccolo dies, Kami will also perish.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

I'm reading GPT-level hallucinations right now. His fully powered Kamehameha was overpowered, and he became so mad and so desperate he sacrificed his speed in order to force out as much extra strength as possible. You keep bringing up the scene with Trunks, but it looks like you're forgetting Cell wasn't of sound mind against Gohan?????????????

Literally what you're arguing rn is that base Goku can apparently just charge a Kamehameha enough and that's about as good as going SSJ, which I don't have to explain why that makes 0 sense.

Legit just changing the multiplier from Powerhouse Cell to when Cell is outright said to be at his "true power" makes it at least logically consistent.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Okay, really quickly, summarize what exactly you're trying to argue here.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Okay, really quickly, summarize what exactly you're trying to argue here.

That Powerhouse Cell shouldn't be x50 Cell's full power? Like it's a whole x50 multiplier over the already existing chain.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Y'know what, that's on me. I asked a bad question.

 

[XXBenShapiroXx]

I'd love to see Moro animated as its imo the only section of the Super manga thats actually worthwhile

I wouldn't mind more movies like Broly either. Id honestly take anything atp

 

[Eden5Zeroo]

seen it online

they should do a power rangers movie XD

 

[Eden5Zeroo]

i dont care about spoilers when it comes to the new stuff cause i will forget them in a few days xD

Shiki definitely solos all of my fav manhawas easily, besides hero soeciety series which i havent fully read but its at least in the universal range

can dragonball match this here? shiki stopped a big bang multiple times ... with a direct quantified statement of joules

 

[ArcaneAbyss]

i dont care about spoilers when it comes to the new stuff cause i will forget them in a few days xD

Shiki definitely solos all of my fav manhawas easily, besides hero soeciety series which i havent fully read but its at least in the universal range

can dragonball match this here? shiki stopped a big bang multiple times ... with a direct quantified statement of joules

so...3A (or High 3A if the universe is infinite)?

early DBS Goku oneshotted an energy ball larger than the last one that would have busted a multivese, so....

 

[UnoRebaixadO]

so...3A (or High 3A if the universe is infinite)?

early DBS Goku oneshotted an energy ball larger than the last one that would have busted a multivese, so....

in this case all dimensions of the universe 7

 

[Kroneii1]

Has anyone else talked about goku and zamasu fighting mid IT?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

i dont care about spoilers when it comes to the new stuff cause i will forget them in a few days xD

Shiki definitely solos all of my fav manhawas easily, besides hero soeciety series which i havent fully read but its at least in the universal range

can dragonball match this here? shiki stopped a big bang multiple times ... with a direct quantified statement of joules

Durability at least 3-A, the characters DB withstood punches that traversed the entire macrocosm that is 2-C, incomparable to that.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Has anyone else talked about goku and zamasu fighting mid IT?

I don't remember that part. Did that really happen?

 

[Kroneii1]

I don't remember that part. Did that really happen?

Yes, goku and goku black react mid IT in the first fight.

 

[Kroneii1]

Yes, goku and goku black react mid IT in the first fight.

Small correction, on the first trip to the future*

 

[TiltedFN]

I'd love to see Moro animated as its imo the only section of the Super manga thats actually worthwhile

I wouldn't mind more movies like Broly either. Id honestly take anything atp

lmao

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Yes, goku and goku black react mid IT in the first fight.

How i wish could give infinite speed in combat through teleportation

 

[UnoRebaixadO]

not even the games can wait

 

[Huesito88]

not even the games can wait

What are you talking about? That's just a coincidence.

 

[UnoRebaixadO]

 

[Huesito88]

They should've gone for the official 1997 Frieza form, heck they actually could give us information on that.

 

[GodzillavsRayquaza]

not even the games can wait

They’re just as big of fans as we are, of course they’re chomping at the bit

 

[UnoRebaixadO]

They should've gone for the official 1997 Frieza form, heck they actually could give us information on that.

This lost media is interesting, as far as I know it only appeared in theater