All Purpose Dragon Ball Thread

[Stefano4444]

Hey yall, im doing a MFTL+ calc for DBZ manga, but that would help DBZ anime scaling too, for it, id need videos of either DBZ Toei episode 101 and 105, or Episode 51 and 53 of DBZ Kai

the first ones from Episode 101/51 is of Goku and freeza seeing The namekian dragon balls flying to the sky like in the manga, with shortly after Freeza stating that Namek will explode in 2 minutes/a matter of minutes

the Episode 105/53 is of the Namekian Dragon balls landing on earth, with elder guru stating that its because they followed them to earth (if someonee knows where to watch those episodes, i can get them myself)

feat would be like Trillions of times FTL in manga and anime

Anything between the billions to trillions of times FTL, as a bare minimun the balls have fly across intergalactic distances due of Namek be in a separate quadrant, place it in another galaxy.

Beside if we want to mention underrated feats, you can also go with Namek Saga Goku be able to speedblitz Scouters as the ones of Burter and Jeice can't either track him his movement or he can rise his power level at max and then supressed it so fast that they can't read it.

The same Scouters who could actually elaborate and transmitt everything that happen on Earth to the planet where Vegeta and Nappa were present in a short period of imte, not just the video and audio but they could also read power levels.

In the Anime we also see in a filler where one of Frieza's planet there its a massive size scouter which could detect Goku and Frieza's power levels/Ki from Namek, making it even more consistent for Scouters to have MFTL+ processing/reaction speeds.

There its also Krillin, Gohan and Vegeta at Namek they could detect the Ginyu Force fly on their attack balls on Namek with their Ki Sensing, and Ki Sensing its actually tied to the user's reaction speeds so it should scale to that at least.

 

[Breadbear83]

Anything between the billions to trillions of times FTL, as a bare minimun the balls have fly across intergalactic distances due of Namek be in a separate quadrant, place it in another galaxy.

Beside if we want to mention underrated feats, you can also go with Namek Saga Goku be able to speedblitz Scouters as the ones of Burter and Jeice can't either track him his movement or he can rise his power level at max and then supressed it so fast that they can't read it.

The same Scouters who could actually elaborate and transmitt information from Earth to the planet where Vegeta and Nappa were present, not just the video and audio but also the power levels of Gohan.

In the Anime we also see in a filler where one of Frieza's planet they have a massive size scouter which could detect Goku and Frieza's power levels, making it even more consistent for Scouter to have MFTL+ processing/reaction speeds.

the scouters behave like phones irl in earth, at Speed of Light speeds, when calling someone they reach one end of the world to another in milliseconds, but a scanning machine may not be that fast at analyzing stuff

at intergalactic distances the scouters send information instantly, but you can visibly see that they take longer to scan someones power levels, so first raditz takes some time to scan Gohans power level, then after it was scanned, information is sended instantly to Vegeta and Nappa

dunno but i dont think that would be accepted, at most its baseline FTL from the blitzing technology

anyway im with the Namek Dragon balls calc, i would use andromeda galaxy end for earth to namek distance, but the galaxy quadrants being 1/4 of an observable/infinite universe makes it seems way too low

maybe using the nearest galaxy clusters from earth? im not really aknowledged on how the universe its composed

 

[Breadbear83]

Anything between the billions to trillions of times FTL, as a bare minimun the balls have fly across intergalactic distances due of Namek be in a separate quadrant, place it in another galaxy.

Beside if we want to mention underrated feats, you can also go with Namek Saga Goku be able to speedblitz Scouters as the ones of Burter and Jeice can't either track him his movement or he can rise his power level at max and then supressed it so fast that they can't read it.

The same Scouters who could actually elaborate and transmitt everything that happen on Earth to the planet where Vegeta and Nappa were present in a short period of imte, not just the video and audio but they could also read power levels.

In the Anime we also see in a filler where one of Frieza's planet there its a massive size scouter which could detect Goku and Frieza's power levels/Ki from Namek, making it even more consistent for Scouters to have MFTL+ processing/reaction speeds.

There its also Krillin, Gohan and Vegeta at Namek they could detect the Ginyu Force fly on their attack balls on Namek with their Ki Sensing, and Ki Sensing its actually tied to the user's reaction speeds so it should scale to that at least.

also about the users reaction speed and ki sensing, they would still just be sensing them from far away minutes before they land to namek, the saiyan saga gohan example you gave, even from much further away gohan would notice them, its just that specifically for a extremely short moment (VERY FAR from minutes) they moved outside of where gohan was sensing ki, which lead to gohan thinking they dissapeared

also it would be inconsistent as many times there are moments the characters feel a menacing high KI coming at them much before the character stronger than them arrives, for example gohan and krillin could sense vegeta coming when they where wishing to porunga with dende, they are clearly not faster than vegeta who was comparable to 1st for freeza

hovewer i guess that supports dbz manga characters also keeping up with saiyan pods like the dbz toei are implied by gokus spaceship doing so

 

[Breadbear83]

alright, 2 MFTL+ Calcs of Billion to trillion of FTL: Here and Here

i thought we could make a Calculations thread to put and discuss about FTL or MFTL+ feats on it (to organized better an all), i have seen for example JJK making a thread to share calcs for replacement of low tiers AP scaling, we could do the same for Dragon Ball speed scaling

 

[Nullflowerblush]

It took, like, one day for you guys to lose your minds.

 

[MannyQ361]

Would this mean anything for the scanning speed of scouters?

 

[Breadbear83]

Would this mean anything for the scanning speed of scouters?

You know the highest MFTl+ we are finding are related to character reacting to stuff going across intergalactic distances quickly, with a bunch of them being related to Saiyan pods

That would be relevant, surely there are many times were characters are keeping or reacting at those going at top speeds, across many continuities too

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Man why didn't anyone find these feats before?

 

[Darkmon_cns]

With how much people say dragonball is acted against it feels like someone could of acted to counter this pretty easily if they thought to add more speed feats to support the multiplers.

 

[Breadbear83]

Man why didn't anyone find these feats before?

Staying comfortably at fodders being MFTL+ leads to ignore them

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

With how much people say dragonball is acted against it feels like someone could of acted to counter this pretty easily if they thought to add more speed feats to support the multiplers.

Even I, who am obsessed with DB, rarely notice speed feats unless they’re right in front of my face. Most people end up ignoring smaller feats, and I myself had never noticed several speed feats in DB.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Even I, who am obsessed with DB, rarely notice speed feats unless they’re right in front of my face. Most people end up ignoring smaller feats, and I myself had never noticed several speed feats in DB.

Well I suppose that's fair

I never even noticed the namic Dragon Balls fly to earth I thought they teloported with them ir maybe that they made a new set on the spot

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Well I suppose that's fair

I never even noticed the namic Dragon Balls fly to earth I thought they teloported with them ir maybe that they made a new set on the spot

That’s actually something I never noticed either. I always pay more attention to the fights and end up forgetting what happens on screen.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

That’s actually something I never noticed either. I always pay more attention to the fights and end up forgetting what happens on screen.

I feel like i noticed once said "well that dosen't make any sense" and moved on then forgot about it

 

[Fezzih_007]

It took, like, one day for you guys to lose your minds.

Well, is like that famous saying.

"The line between Sanity and Insanity is divided by, like, If Goku gonna be slower than Naruto" or smth. I might not remember the exact saying, but is something like that.

 

[Breadbear83]

alright, 2 MFTL+ Calcs of Billion to trillion of FTL: Here and Here

i thought we could make a Calculations thread to put and discuss about FTL or MFTL+ feats on it (to organized better an all), i have seen for example JJK making a thread to share calcs for replacement of low tiers AP scaling, we could do the same for Dragon Ball speed scaling

Btw in the freezer explosion calc, while fighting Goku I recall that Frieza wanted to hurry up on beating him to escape to not get hit by the explosion of the planet (cuz seemingly he couldn't abort the explosion happening) so it's implied that freeza by himself could escape from that 1000 light-years wide explosion by himself, it's not only being that his attack speed is that fast

So at least, 10 billion FTL 50%/100% freeza seems perfectly fine, the post gravity training Goku scaling to the saiyan pod may get discussed tho

(All to upscales Namek high tiers and Androids saga mid tiers before the infinite speed scaling tho, just want bigger numbers)

 

[Nullflowerblush]

I don't know if you guys know this or not—I've seen a couple of you do it before—but only Wiki staff are allowed to actually ping users. It doesn't show up in their notifications if a regular member mentions them.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

I don't know if you guys know this or not—I've seen a couple of you do it before—but only Wiki staff are allowed to actually ping users. It doesn't show up in their notifications if a regular member mentions them.

O that's...disappointing never used that mechanic but use to discord

 

[DaReaperMan]

@Darkmon_cns It's called you are a peasant so you get the rights of a peasant.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

@Darkmon_cns It's called you are a peasant so you get the rights of a peasant.

Darkness and evil revolution!

 

[Breadbear83]

@Darkmon_cns It's called you are a peasant so you get the rights of a peasant.

Oh oh me too me too, call me too!

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

alright, 2 MFTL+ Calcs of Billion to trillion of FTL: Here and Here

i thought we could make a Calculations thread to put and discuss about FTL or MFTL+ feats on it (to organized better an all), i have seen for example JJK making a thread to share calcs for replacement of low tiers AP scaling, we could do the same for Dragon Ball speed scaling

I posted your calculation on the calculation members' walls, maybe it can help you, and I hope someone answers our hopes. We really need feats right now.

 

[Breadbear83]

I posted your calculation on the calculation members' walls, maybe it can help you, and I hope someone answers our hopes. We really need feats right now.

thanks

i do want to make the calc discussion thread where i put a collection of all the FTL to MFTL+ people have been bringing up so far, but kind of lazy and missing time for now to check the latest pages of this thread to gather all of them to put them there

if someone would like to help, share me any calc you know so i add them to that thread later

 

[Kroneii1]

So 1A goku when?

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

thanks

i do want to make the calc discussion thread where i put a collection of all the FTL to MFTL+ people have been bringing up so far, but kind of lazy and missing time for now to check the latest pages of this thread to gather all of them to put them there

if someone would like to help, share me any calc you know so i add them to that thread later

A calculation guy seems to have responded to your calculation, you need to post that calculation in the calculation section there.

Goku and Freeza Reacts to Namek Dragon balls flying

vsbattles-fandom-com.translate.goog

 

[Breadbear83]

So 1A goku when?

Don't you know that Toei Nappa is boundless and got humbled by Goku? Stop trying to downgrade dragon ball to outerversal: https://imgchest.com/p/qb4zqvq6g4j

 

[Saqphire]

So 1A goku when?

Tfw Low 1-A Goku and above would relieve the comm of the multiplier shenanigans as that already implies infinite / immeasurable speed from tiering alone

 

[Huesito88]

Tfw Low 1-A Goku and above would relieve the comm of the multiplier shenanigans as that already implies infinite / immeasurable speed from tiering alone

Low 1-A doesn't by default give Immeasurable speed (technically neither does infinite speed, but I'd imagine there would be easy scenarios where it could grant it).

 

[Breadbear83]

Tfw Low 1-A Goku and above would relieve the comm of the multiplier shenanigans as that already implies infinite / immeasurable speed from tiering alone

only whatever shit Toei makes would get that Low 1-A Goku, we will never see that in Canon

Toei already has anyone stronger than Semi Perfect Cell at Infinite speed

 

[Saqphire]

Low 1-A doesn't by default give Immeasurable speed (technically neither does infinite speed, but I'd imagine there would be easy scenarios where it could grant it).

High 1-B and above already grants infinite speed so I'd imagine Low 1-A would too

 

[Huesito88]

High 1-B and above already grants infinite speed so I'd imagine Low 1-A would too

Does it, how so? In an "absolute vacuum" how does it actually give infinite speed? (I can definitely see tons of scenarios where it could though)

 

[TiltedFN]

Toyotaro announced that the announced the manga the 2026 arc DDS manga the for 2027.

 

[Darkmon_cns]

Toyotaro announced that the announced the manga the 2026 arc DDS manga the for 2027.

What?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Does it, how so? In an "absolute vacuum" how does it actually give infinite speed? (I can definitely see tons of scenarios where it could though)

The FAQ covers it here

Plus, it should be noted that whose physical bodies land at High 1-B and higher get Infinite Speed by default, as any non-negligible movement across an infinite number of dimensions entails moving an infinite distance.

Say you're at coordinate (1, 1, 1, 1, 1) and you move to coordinate (11, 11, 11, 11, 11). The total distance moved is (10, 10, 10, 10, 10), which is calculated as:

• SquareRoot(10^2 +10^2 + 10^2 +10^2 + 10^2)
• SquareRoot(500)
• SquareRoot(100 * 5)
• 10SquareRoot(5) or 22.36

So if you move any distance over an infinite number of coordinate points, that will result in infinite speed being achieved. Immeasurable is never a default rating, however, and must be demonstrated in some capacity.

 

[Huesito88]

The FAQ covers it here


Say you're at coordinate (1, 1, 1, 1, 1) and you move to coordinate (11, 11, 11, 11, 11). The total distance moved is (10, 10, 10, 10, 10), which is calculated as:

• SquareRoot(10^2 +10^2 + 10^2 +10^2 + 10^2)
• SquareRoot(500)
• SquareRoot(100 * 5)
• 10SquareRoot(5) or 22.36

So if you move any distance over an infinite number of coordinate points, that will result in infinite speed being achieved. Immeasurable is never a default rating, however, and must be demonstrated in some capacity.

I see

 

[Hiryu-Z]

thanks

i do want to make the calc discussion thread where i put a collection of all the FTL to MFTL+ people have been bringing up so far, but kind of lazy and missing time for now to check the latest pages of this thread to gather all of them to put them there

if someone would like to help, share me any calc you know so i add them to that thread later

All the stuff that was sent here so far

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:StarShooter80/Goku_outspeeds_Ginyu%27s_Body_Swap

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Kepekley23/Dragon_Ball:_Perfect_Cell%27s_Kamehameha_speed_feat

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Gilad_Hyperstar/Dragon_Ball_Z:_Cell_destroys_the_Solar_System

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Gp972/Cell%27s_kamehameha_reachs_the_sun

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Gp972/Cell%27s_kamehameha

DBZ Speed calc

vsbattles.fandom.com

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Gp972/Buutenks_speed

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:LegendariumOfLies/Dragon_Ball:_The_Speed_Of_Genki-Dama (I heard this one was already accepted)

 

[Hiryu-Z]

Toyotaro announced that the announced the manga the 2026 arc DDS manga the for 2027.

Source

 

[Breadbear83]

All the stuff that was sent here so far

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:StarShooter80/Goku_outspeeds_Ginyu%27s_Body_Swap

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Kepekley23/Dragon_Ball:_Perfect_Cell%27s_Kamehameha_speed_feat

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Gilad_Hyperstar/Dragon_Ball_Z:_Cell_destroys_the_Solar_System

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Gp972/Cell%27s_kamehameha_reachs_the_sun

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Gp972/Cell%27s_kamehameha

DBZ Speed calc

vsbattles.fandom.com

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Gp972/Buutenks_speed

https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:LegendariumOfLies/Dragon_Ball:_The_Speed_Of_Genki-Dama (I heard this one was already accepted)

Thanks

About the genkidama, I'll check tomorrow about statements of characters perceiving the particles of energy heading to Genkidama gathering them, which would support that characters reactions can scale to the Genkidama gathering

(Not that I think Saiyan saga Goku Genkidama scales to this, just like the range of the Genkidama has gotten bigger, like in Saiyan saga just gathering from all around earth, then in Namek it was nearby planets and stars, and in buu saga the whole universe, I believe the speed may have changed, as if Goku's power level was related to the gathering speed)

 

[Mgebrat282]

Damn, I started a new flying balls meta, hope it will live and upgrade manga and anime speed scaling. Also we need to revision Namek explosion calcs and the planet's size

 

[AguilaR202]

Some of those calcs are blatantly wrong, Cells Kamehamega can at most reach several 10,000 kms above earths surface within any given timeframe, we can clearly see the earth’s curvature on panel where it reaches space

The expansion speed of Cells Kamehameha ( which doesn’t happen) is at best a few single digits FTL (30 s) useless for scaling.

Genkidama energy gathering speed has no clear line of scaling to the characters