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Based on what were they 5-B? Because the 4-B justification kinda weird anyways, I want to know the 5-B one.DragonGamerZ913 said:Island Guardians, UBs, Silvally/Type: Null, Zeraora, and Melmetal, who I believe shouldn't be 4-B and should be dropped to 5-B (since that's what they originally were)
The world of the beasts, eh... Is that what that thing was that came to Poni Island? A beast? Tapu Fini and I tried to fight it, but it nearly did us both in. We did not stand a chance. | ||
~ Hapu |
No one has, since there's no Sword and Shield anime.Peter "Quicksilver" Maximoff said:I don't know if anyone follows the Sword and Shield anime
I don't have the exact justification for 5-B, I just know that that's what Zeraora apparently used to be before the whole "world threatening thing," and since Zeraora had scaled to the Tapus and UBs, he was bumped to 4-B, so based on that, it's easy to tell that the Tapus, UBs, Zeraora, Silvally/Type: Null, and Melmetal would've used to be 5-B.Ionliosite said:Based on what were they 5-B? Because the 4-B justification kinda weird anyways, I want to know the 5-B one.DragonGamerZ913 said:Island Guardians, UBs, Silvally/Type: Null, Zeraora, and Melmetal, who I believe shouldn't be 4-B and should be dropped to 5-B (since that's what they originally were)
This all makes sense, though I still believe that the UBs shouldn't be 4-B (should go back to being 5-B), so that would make Pikachu's Z-Moves 5-B if that were to happen, but this is all still correct. Also, he defeated Fused Lusamine with 10,000,000 Volt Thunderbolt, not Gigavolt Havoc.Cmuell015 said:Solgaleo and Lunala scaling to Ultra Necrozma isn't questionable at all.
In the games Necrozma needed the power of Solgaleo/Lunala, the light of Alola and light from Ultra Megalopolis to reach its Ultra form which was stated to have provided light throughout Ultra Space.
In the anime it's only the power of Solgaleo and Lunala that causes Necrozma to gain it's Ultra form.
In the manga Necrozma needed the power of Solgaleo, Lunala and Ultranecrozium Z to gain it's Ultra form. Also the manga says Ultra Necrozma is "far superior" to the original Necrozma which is stated to have provided light to all of Ultra Space. Solgaelo took a hit from Ulta Necrozma. Then later Solgaleo, Lunala and Complete Zygarde are able toknock it out after it was weakend from fighting Zygarde.
So in all three versions at least one of the legendaries is needed and the other sources of energy aren't really quantifable as far as I can tell. So most of the feat of giving the power nessesary must come from them.
The Ultra Beasts, Tapus and Type: Null/Silvally also should somewhat scale to Solgaleo and Lunala.
In the games Solgaleo/Lunala attack Fused Lusamine and she gets back up before defusing. Also the Ultra Beasts were a big enough threat for the Tapu's to fight them and in Sun/Moon your hired by the International Police to catch/kill them which implies the Tapus couldn't kill/defeat them . Which is backed up by the quote from Hapu that The real cal howard posted. The Tapus fought against Solgaleo or Lunala in the past and depending on the story they either lost or tied. In USUM their is a secret piece of paper that says the Tapus with a trainer fought Dusk Mane/Dawn Wings Necrozma using Z-moves and wo. Gladion also says Type: Null was born to fight Ultra Beasts .
In the manga Fused Lusamine with a bunch of Ultra Beasts fought and took an attack from Dawn Wings Necrozma who already absorbed the power of Solgaleo. Stakataka temporarlily held down Necrozma who had absorbed Solgaleo and Lunala's power. Also Gladion originally planned to get the help of the Tapus to defeat the Ultra Beasts but they were stronger than he expected. By this point Gladion has fought and defeated several Ultra Beasts with Type: Null and Silvally who he says were designed to fight and control the Ultra Beasts. Tapu Bulu easily blew away a Balcephalon, Tapu Fini temoporarily fought a Buzzwole and all the the Tapus fought Solgaleo and Lunala at the same time in the past.
Personally I think the feats for 10% Zygarde & it's cells are a bit shakier sense their just aren't as many but I'll put them here anyway. Zygarde Cells took a hit from Lunala, 10% scared off a group of Nihilego and it caught a Poipole who shortly afterward defeated it.
As for Pikachu I think At least High 7-A is reasonable (for phasing Lugia and overpowering Gyarados and Tyranitar) and should be 4-B with Z-Moves (overpowered Tapu Koko's Guardian of Alola with 10,000,000 Volt Thunderbolt and if I remember correctly it defeated Fused Lusamine with Gigavolt Havoc).
It doesn't matter, but still, the fact you said there was a Sword & Shield is wrong, since that series explicity is named simply "Pocket Monsters", making it share title with the original seires had.Peter "Quicksilver" Maximoff said:My mistake. But does it matter? No it doesn't. It's still a continuation from the previous region/series.
My mistake on that one. I forgot that the High 6-A tiering was from Pikachu being empowered by the Blue Orb. In that case, I'm referring to him being at only "At least 7-A"ProfessorKukui4Life said:I like how not a single person in this thread took the actual time to answer the OP's question before things started to unravel to a point that didn't need to happen.
Pikachu's High 6-A tiering comes it being empowered by the blue orb to control Groudon and to counter attacks from Kygore. Pikachu on it's own doesn't scale to High 6-A at all, only through absorbing the blue orb.
It never has been refered by that name tho. Only simply "Pocket Monsters". It's even just that on the logo.DragonGamerZ913 said:It can be referred to as the Pokmeon Sword and Shield anime
Yeah, but it isn't called like that. So I can let this topic die knowing I'm the one who's right.DragonGamerZ913 said:People refer to it as such because it's in line with the Sword and Shield games.