Base Mario characters Downgrade

[Zamasu_Chan]

Base characters are high 4-C. That's great and all but can't ALL of these characters die via black holes? That just makes all the tier 4 stuff outliers IIRC. They should be low 5-B via being comparable to Wario.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

See: Black Hole Feats in Fictio

Surviving a black hold wouldn't necessarily require Tier 4 durability.

 

[Jinsye]

All of these characters can die via Goombas but they aren't exactly Wall level

 

[Js250476]

Even without the black holes the Mario series has plenty of tier 4 feats.

 

[Eficiente]

Black holes ignore durability via gravity and radiation manip. Not to mention Game Mechanics, they also die by lava.

 

[Genericstickman]

Don't they scale to Yoshi's constellation feat?

 

[Js250476]

It's more so Kameks feat but they do.

 

[Maverick_Zero_X]

There's also Antasma manipulating the Dream World

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Ok? You could throw all the star level feats at me but the power Stars are also 4-C, you know the things that power up Mario. It's questionable giving Base characters the same low end rating of a massive power up. That's like base Sonic being at least 5-A.

 

[Js250476]

https://youtu.be/DUXzlae4T_A 2:11

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

1. So you need to be infinitely durable to survive a black hole?

2. Mario was powered up by Dream Luigi.

3. Dreamy Luigi was the one shown to manipulate constellations.

 

[DMB_1]

1. So you need to be infinitely durable to survive a black hole?

Only if you are in its singularity.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

I'll just see how far this goes.

 

[KLOL506]

why isn't this in fun and games lol

 

[The_Wright_Way]

Black hole feats are unquantifiable 90% of the time. Also, even if they were, this wouldn't invalidate anything because Black Holes destroy stars all the time.

 

[DMB_1]

Which Black Hole did they even face though?

Black Holes get into Tier 4 only when they are already the result of dead stars that have collapsed, or of extremely ancient massive amounts of matter that has collapsed.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Black holes in SMG series insta kill Mario, black holes in the party games insta kill, and I'm pretty sure Bowser made a tier 5 black hole in one of the party games.

 

[DMB_1]

>Black Holes are instakill.

Then yeah, I doubt that they would even scale.

>Bowser made a Tier 5 Black Hole

When?

 

[Js250476]

Mario Party 9 Bowser boss battle

 

[GyroNutz]

I don't think you can assign an attack potency to a black hole.

 

[DMB_1]

Do you have a video or something? ANd how would that Black Hole be Tier 5?

I mean, a Black Hole the size of a coin could very easily grow and swallow the whole Earth, but still.

 

[Kirby71]

Black holes ignore durability via gravity and radiation manip. Not to mention Game Mechanics, they also die by lava.

^This, its not durability feat, its durability bypass vía this, agree with Efi, you just get insta-crushed.

 

[Js250476]

https://youtu.be/KaDeHszGWow

I think he's talking about the black hole sucking in several planets.

 

[GyroNutz]

2. Mario was powered up by Dream Luigi.

3. Dreamy Luigi was the one shown to manipulate constellations.

Mario can fight Antasma even when Antasma has absorbed Dreamy Luigi's power for himself.

 

[Dust_Collector]

Black holes in SMG series insta kill Mario, black holes in the party games insta kill, and I'm pretty sure Bowser made a tier 5 black hole in one of the party games.

Read what Eficiente already said, plus black holes in the party games never kill anyone they always survive with little if any damage at all.

 

[Dark649]

Here [32:15 onwards] Bowser and Peach Castle can get nearly engulfed by a Black Hole, but they can quickly escape from it.

Note: I think this is a silly reason to downgrade them, especially since i'm planning a Base 4-A upgrade.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Black Holes are durability negations; they're horrible reasons to downgrade characters. It's the same thing as downgrading Sonic because he can die from drowning, or downgrading Superman because he can die from green rocks. And yeah, Mario has a ton of Tier 4 feats with or without enhancements from Power Stars, and even Base Mario has consistently fought bosses powered by Power Stars; there are some who believe Mario and the others base keys should be merged with their Power Star enhanced keys, but that's a bit stretchy.

But as Dark649 mentioned, he's got plans to upgrade the cast to 4-A regardless.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

Mario cast used to be 4-A but got dropped to High 4-C, now they're going back. What a twist.

 

[KLOL506]

Mario cast used to be 4-A but got dropped to High 4-C, now they're going back. M. Night Shyamalan: What a twist!

FIFY

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Reason for the initial downgrade was more so to do with Constellation feats being High 4-C as opposed to 4-A, but Mario has a few starry dimensions feats that are 4-A. There's also a calc that involved shaking the galaxy that got a 4-A result iirc.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Welp

 

[Dark649]

This is the thread i was planning to do.

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Feel free to close this thread. I was half serious anyway.

 

[Dark649]

K.