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The way he lost Feedback was not at all comparable to how he lost his aliens in Vilgax Attacks. Malware played a huge role in that
I didn't concede to anything man
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Ben 10: Removing Vilgax Attacks and Cosmic Destruction from Mainline Canon [ACCEPTED]
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The way he lost Feedback was not at all comparable to how he lost his aliens in Vilgax Attacks. Malware played a huge role in that
I didn't concede to anything man
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Yeah, never mind. I never played Vilgax Attacks, but from the scene, it seemed to me that he merely lost access to his aliens because the Omnitrix was depowered. however, a friend of mine just told me he actually did lose access to a few of his aliens and they had to be unlocked later when omnitrix was back to working. Proposal works in that case i suppose.
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anyways i won't be here for a few hours i'm leaning to disagree with the crt overall omnitrix losing aliens isn't something new, about the ghost town it seems like vilgax attack had happend before kevin got mutated. Vilgax appearence doesn't make sense of course, about Wildvine's homeworld it's quite stated that Xenon isn't their howeworld it's actually a planet they invaded to get Azmuth and the Omnitrix.
Guess you confused me with Hellformer a bit, i didn't claim you didn't watch the show, i've just provided the scan Myaxx stated that Xenon is invaded, yeah he visitted Galvan Prime and Galvan B in flashback but he didn't see the other planets of his aliens, by all means he meant AF cast aliens he got, he didn't have access to OG Aliens besides Cannonbolt in the game as far as i remember. I will check this thread later and if there is something to provide a scan or an info just tell me, i will do my best anyway have a good day.
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I've only met like two other people who have TBF
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Reiner just commented on how the way he loses aliens in Vilgax Attacks isn't comparable to how he's lost them in the past
The way I see it is that with Kevin's comment of "you need to get out more" seems to imply Ben was referring to like, just any of the homeworlds. Kevin's a guy who's seen a ton of alien worlds too, so I think that supports the assumption
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ye it's different, geno-archatypes are more similiar to that i guess Omnitrix self-mechanism has some weird functions that makes Ben lose aliens, he lost aliens when trying to hack the omnitrix not quite same but not much different as well
Hmm Kevin spent his most childhood in Null Void, the only planet he travveled before AF was Fourarms Homeworld to get a special piece for his car lol. I don't think he travelled that much of planets but he definetly has some knowledge on them, for me Ben is refferring to other aliens planets that he didn't visit or reffering to AF cast aliens
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It still just makes more sense for this to be a Vilgax Attacks-continuity exclusive thing in this case I'd say
I can see that perspective, but it seems far more framed like he hasn't been to any of them before, when he's been to at least two based on Omniverse
Also, even without accounting for alien worlds, he's been around space a ton and even the Null Void and the Tetramand world alone would be like, HUGE outings compared to Vilgax Attacks Ben who supposedly has only been on his own planet
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I'm personally fine with keeping the games as alternate timelines in the multiverse.
I'm also fine with just removing the game stuff from the Prime Timeline profiles.
I'm also fine with just removing the game stuff from the Prime Timeline profiles.
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Disagree FRA
Games should remain canon to at least the Cosmology.
Games should remain canon to at least the Cosmology.
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Yeah i know this but i thought it was bringed up already Azmuth is clearly warning ben to not spam transformation without master control
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@Lonkitt @Firestorm808
Regarding Cosmic Destruction; Its said to be completely authentic to the TV series.
And regarding Vilgax Attack, its mentions that Vilgax and other villains are from TV show.
Regarding Cosmic Destruction; Its said to be completely authentic to the TV series.
And regarding Vilgax Attack, its mentions that Vilgax and other villains are from TV show.
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That's something added by OV after UAF.
During that time, that wasn't the case, he hadn't gone to any of his aliens' planets.
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Right now I’m leaning more towards agreeing with the OP.
The Cosmic Destruction one is nice support for it being canon, but the Vilgax Attacks one doesn’t really mean anything. “Battle Vilgax and other villains from the show” just means that those characters are in the game. It doesn’t say anything about canonicity.@Lonkitt @Firestorm808
Regarding Cosmic Destruction; Its said to be completely authentic to the TV series.
And regarding Vilgax Attack, its mentions that Vilgax and other villains are from TV show.
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Yeah but i at the same time felt that it might be showing its connection and authenticity of characters to the show but i do see your point, i was over all unsure of that one too so i am not strongly with it either.
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You could also ping dalesan, propegal and king tempest as well they might change their opinions with these scans@Lonkitt @Firestorm808
Regarding Cosmic Destruction; Its said to be completely authentic to the TV series.
And regarding Vilgax Attack, its mentions that Vilgax and other villains are from TV show.
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@Lonkitt @Firestorm808
Regarding Cosmic Destruction; Its said to be completely authentic to the TV series.
And regarding Vilgax Attack, its mentions that Vilgax and other villains are from TV show.
The part about being authentic to the TV show mentions that because it uses the same voice cast and a storyline by writers of the show. They doesn't mean they're saying it's canon
The Vilgax attacks one is more of a non-statement if anything
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Again, I already addressed this scene. Yes, there's a warning, but he never once implied rapid switches would cause him to lose aliens like he did in Vilgax attacks
If rapid switches were a problem, then "Back with a Vengeance" would've bankrupt Ben. And I doubt Master Control makes a difference there because it's like like it's gonna change anything regarding rapid transformation "tolerance" or anything
Ergo, Vilgax Attacks having him lose aliens after his fight with Mr. Smoothie is still beyond strange and should be seen as a contradiction
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I just came here to say Hi to Lonkitt 
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@Lonkitt The video games are currently considered alternate timelines from the main timeline that the shows follow. Could you please tell me which supposed contradictions remain with that taken into account? They are considered alternate timelines because of the events of Vilgax Attacks being referenced in Ultimate Alien and because of an author statement saying that things are only canon to the show if they share a common theme, hence why the references to events if the show are considered evidence.
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Oh hi DD, how you holding up?I just came here to say Hi to Lonkitt
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We just went over how Ultimate Alien never does refer to the main version of Vilgax Attacks, which I am covering here. It only references the DS version, which is completely different and does not involved Alien X Albedo
A reference to the DS version of Vilgax Attacks doesn't mean the Main Version (which has a different plot) as well as other games like Cosmic Destruction are considered canon. I have yet to be provided evidence that Paradox implied the games are part of the multiverse beyond him saying there's infinite universes, which isn't good evidence to say things such as the games are canon
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I’m aware, though the concept of “games can be canon (as alternate timelines)” is established by said reference.
Right now that’s what the author statement is for.
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You're genuinely not understanding the point.
The games follow the same narrative as the Prime Timeline, except that has some little differences since it isn't part of it. In other words, they have the same power levels as Ben Prime and vice-versa.
You gotta be kidding by now
Except it literally does, as Azmuth literalmente unlocked Master Control so Ben could use all the powers of the Omnitrix with no drawbacks. We don't know how, but MC does prevent the Omnitrix from malfunctioning if too many quiche changes happen.
Except it is not.
We've shown you games can be part of the Multiverse, now it's your turn to prove that the games are not. Not of the Prime Timeline as your thread says, but the Cosmology as a whole
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I think what Green trying to say is that per creator of the show, alternate medias are canon (generally not tho) in the multiverse only when they have some connection build up with TV show story or have drawn its work from it.
Which has been referenced twice in the show.
And same has been established in the Official Promo Interview of Vilgax Attack.
"The choice of making Ben 10 Alien force into a video game is natural one because there are so many universe that series continue to open up"
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This shouldn't be counted as evidence at all. We do actually have standards again harassing the author with leading questions in social media, and that user clearly was doing that.I think what Green trying to say is that per creator of the show, alternate medias are canon (generally not tho) in the multiverse only when they have some connection build up with TV show story or have drawn its work from it.
Edit by @Reiner04 : I (Reiner04) put the scan in spoiler since it was covering entire screen.
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This isn't really supporting the games being alternate universes. Duncan straight up says "no, they aren't canon"
These aren't referencing anything except the multiverse within the show. It makes no mention of the games
These clips really shouldn't be used for any kind of support for the games being canon because they chalk up to the narrator and Paradox saying "yeah the multiverse has a ton of different stories", which is just a given. Has nothing to do with the games
Besides the statement being vague, there's also the fact that "There are so many new universes that they continue to open up in the series" comes up while showing different clips of the different worlds next to DBB. He was clearly using universe in more of a broad term like "world" to try and talk about the different kinds of alien worlds in the game you'd get to discover, which others in the interview expressed excitement about
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This shouldn't be counted as evidence at all. We do actually have standards again harassing the author with leading questions in social media, and that user clearly was doing that.
I'm pretty sure that several Ninjago abilities/scaling were nuked for the very same reason.
Indeed, Ninjago had MAJOR revisions because of author harrasment just like this
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Scaling questionThis shouldn't be counted as evidence at all. We do actually have standards again harassing the author with leading questions in social media, and that user clearly was doing that.
I'm pretty sure that several Ninjago abilities/scaling were nuked for the very same reason.
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That applies to powerscaling related queries, yes, which on its own has never been used here. This one is about whether something is canon or not, a general question, and duncan details over the answer. Creators are considered reliable when it comes to deciding canonicity. We have had comics and several medias accepted based on Duncan's simple yes or no about the comics being canon or not.
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Some of those pages were long
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Since+ you were the only 2 mods that have said something about this (Aside from Reiner and Firestorm, who disagree with it), can you please take a look at all the counter evidence we've given?
we disagree with the games not being part of the Multiverse/Cosmology (as the OP argued), not with them not being part of the Prime Timeline (they never were), which I think you understood
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...? Firestorm said he was fine with either choice was made earlier
See? Right here
Don't twist peoples' words man
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He's literally saying what I said.
The games aren't part of the Prime Timeline, but they're in the multiverse
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He said he's fine with the games staying and he's fine with the games not staying
That's a neutral opinion
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Dude, we all agreed that the games are not in the Prime Timeline, that's what he's saying lmao. But he's also saying they're part of the Multiverse.
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Well, the last time I checked, you're not Firestorm, and in his post, he gave a neutral opinion
I'm not marking down Firestorm anywhere until he tells me where he's voting
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But you are ignoring all our votes and putting Reiner in the wrong section
That's something
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