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Beyond Your Limits (Cinner vs Saitama) [GRACE]

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The sparring match of a lifetime happens when Cinner visits Z City and finds a hero like no other. Not many know his strength, but he can tell Saitama is above the norm, even for the crazy heroes all over. Willing to do anything to get some sort of challenge Saitama accepts. Ready to see what the mysterious man has in store.

  • Revived Vestige Arc Cinner and Pre-Parallel Timeline Saitama are being used
  • Speed is equalized
  • Both are in character
  • Fight takes place in the mountain range where Saitama fought Genos
  • Starting distance is 20 meters
  • SBA for anything else

The Stellar Flame:
(Scales to 48.525 ExaFoe)

Hero Nobody Knows: 3 (Phoenks, Venefica, SSB64)
(Scales to 112.788 ExaFoe)

Inconclusive:
 
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Not gonna lie man, Saitama is cooked here...if Cinner's regeneration, heavy IQ advantage and incredible heat wasn't enough, he will absolutely get vaporized the second Cinner powers up...I also doubt that Cinner is the type of guy to let Saitama's accelerated development kick in either (yes, it can quickly advance him to one-shot territory, but any transformation beyond Cinner's base form is going to hax the guy into oblivion), so I'll start by voting for Cinner here :3
 
So, looking through the Cinner profile, I don't really see anything on his page that works against Saitama.

Saitama's heat resistance absolutely MOGS cinner's heat. Gamma Ray Burst is billions of degrees VS Cinner's 50k.

Regeneration is hard countered by Saitama just... being able to one-shot him after moments of fighting.

Pretty much everything on Cinner's page is hard resisted.

Saitama meanwhile just holds an AP advantage and likely always will hold that AP advantage.
 
FlipLaScript said:
he will absolutely get vaporized the second Cinner powers up
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Except for the fact that Saitama was hit with an attack from Released Boros hot enough to vaporize bone, and in Meteoric Burst, just his movements were causing parts of his ship to melt just from being within 20 meters of him.
 
Don't even know why boros is being brought up his heat stuff is literally nothing compared to the gamma ray burst lol.
 
Cinner does have the LS advantage in spades and PFM to amp himself several times over. There is a chance that using his air manipulation to force Saitama close to him, he could get a win off of that before he grows the full 58x while he’s also not taking things as seriously.
 
The OP says that the strongest versions are being used, so Saitama here starts the match with the same rate of growth that he ended with against Garou. He’s basically going to be instantly way stronger and far faster as soon as fighting actually starts and resists most of Cinner’s stuff.

Saitama’s growth is essentially exponential, given the graph shown in the manga, so any amps Cinner has will be left in the dust too. Saitama should be a more skilled fighter given the way he surpassed Awakened Garou. I don’t really see a reliable wincon for Cinner beyond the air manipulation thing which would only work once, and Cinner would have to use it instantly. Based on what I know I doubt that’s his starting move in character.

All Saitama really has to do is survive one second and he pretty much can’t be hurt anymore without a reliable dura neg option and Cinner’s heat is easily resisted.

Leaning heavy towards Saitama right now. I don’t know much about this key of Cinner so I won’t vote yet.
 
Cinner stomps.

As far as i see, their speed isn't stated to be equal and the difference is more than 30000x times.
 
VeneficaAuthor said:
The OP says that the strongest versions are being used, so Saitama here starts the match with the same rate of growth that he ended with against Garou. He’s basically going to be instantly way stronger and far faster as soon as fighting actually starts and resists most of Cinner’s stuff.

Saitama’s growth is essentially exponential, given the graph shown in the manga, so any amps Cinner has will be left in the dust too. Saitama should be a more skilled fighter given the way he surpassed Awakened Garou. I don’t really see a reliable wincon for Cinner beyond the air manipulation thing which would only work once, and Cinner would have to use it instantly. Based on what I know I doubt that’s his starting move in character.

All Saitama really has to do is survive one second and he pretty much can’t be hurt anymore without a reliable dura neg option and Cinner’s heat is easily resisted.

Leaning heavy towards Saitama right now. I don’t know much about this key of Cinner so I won’t vote yet.
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Looks like I didn’t look closely enough at the stats. I thought the value for his latest key exceeded 4-A’s capacity and that he still scaled to the same value as the previous one. I can change it to Pre Parallel Timeline to fix the AP gap.

On that topic, since it’s Saitama’s main advantage, it seems his growth is accepted as a 58x multiplier during his fight with Garou. In comparison, PFM is several times above Cinner’s base. I’ve always seen it as about 8 times, so using that, it would take about 28x growth (around the halfway point) for Saitama to utterly stomp him. I can definitely see it being too fast, but I think there are still chances for Cinner to win using the LS advantage mentioned, since he is decently reliant on grabs against comparable to stronger opponents. Once he sees the heat isn’t working, I can see him trying to make Saitama submit while he’s still growing. Also what do you mean the air would only work once? Saitama’s max after his growth is said to be Pre-Stellar, so he can’t just overcome the gap.
 
MintyBoi1 said:
Saitama’s max after his growth is said to be Pre-Stellar, so he can’t just overcome the gap.
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Saitama wouldn't just stop growing, he only ceased to get exponentially stronger because the fight was effectively over and he wasn't as angry anymore. it's very heavily implied that it is always there whether he's fighting or not and that awakened garou stimulated it into shooting up faster than ever. Putting a hard cap on it like that might as well just be restricting the thing all together.

If Cinner is equally or more stimulating, Saitama won't stop growing. But him not being angry with cinner could slow it down.
MintyBoi1 said:
On that topic, since it’s Saitama’s main advantage, it seems his growth is accepted as a 58x multiplier during his fight with Garou. In comparison, PFM is several times above Cinner’s base. I’ve always seen it as about 8 times, so using that, it would take about 28x growth (around the halfway point) for Saitama to utterly stomp him. I can definitely see it being too fast, but I think there are still chances for Cinner to win using the LS advantage mentioned, since he is decently reliant on grabs against comparable to stronger opponents.
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Possibly, but Saitama grew so fast that he could basically one shot Garou the second after garou had copied all of his stats and this happened over and over again. Keep in mind the rate of growth accelerates at bonkers speed the longer the fight goes. I don't see why this also wouldn't increase his LS, but I guess he lacks a concrete LS feat post-growth. Besides serious table flip, I suppose.
 
VeneficaAuthor said:
Saitama should be a more skilled fighter given the way he surpassed Awakened Garou
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That has more to to with his exponential strength growth and not his skill (BTW, him karate chopping CFM Garou isn't evidence of his growing skill, since he also karate chopped both Speed-o-Sound Sonic, and Human Garou before.)
 
Tbh this just seems like Saitama slaps him up with the AP advantage
 
SSB64 said:
That has more to to with his exponential strength growth and not his skill (BTW, him karate chopping CFM Garou isn't evidence of his growing skill, since he also karate chopped both Speed-o-Sound Sonic, and Human Garou before.)
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He has copied Garou's martial arts and surpassed him in that regard.

That chop is from his martial art, not close or similar to those he did to Sonic and human Garou
 
MrTayman616 said:
He has copied Garou's martial arts and surpassed him in that regard.

That chop is from his martial art, not close or similar to those he did to Sonic and human Garou
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Where exactly was this stated? I don't recall it being said anywhere that that was Garou's move he was using.
 
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