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Blut:
So, this is a fairly big issue I noticed with Blut and Sternritters and that is how Blut is applied. Generally speaking, Blut is a 5x multipler when applied to a character who's feat is in base form and a 10x multiplier when it's done by the character in Blut, based on Wiki standards for applying the bare minimum for numbers. For most characters, it's not too big of an issue. However, for some, it's completely illogical. An easy example of this would be NaNaNa Najahkoop, as shown below.
As you can see, NaNaNa has both 10x and 5x for his Blut in the exact same key, with no reason why other then adhering to site standards when applying multipliers. This obviously shouldn't make any logical sense. This also applies to Hollow Masks, which I also intend to revise.
Note: Blut was accepted here and the reasoning for why this is can be explained in this comment.
Blog with all changes (Changed to Proposal 1)
WIP Blog with AP/Durability Values just in case (This is just if you want to see how every character is currently being scaled in the verse, you don't need to read this if you don't want to)
My proposals are as follows:
Proposal 1:
Make it so the Quincies with Vollständig get 10x. The reasoning for this is because of how these abilities work. Blut is stated to be dependant on strength, with the stronger Quincies having better Blut. Vollständig is considered an enhanced form that's clearly a high level technique, especially since those with it can perform Sklaverei, the basic Quincy ability taken to its absolute limit (Bleach TYBW Season 1 Episode 3) This could mean Quincies capable of Vollständig and thus Sklaverei are capable of performing Blut at its very best, that being 10x.
Proposal 2:
Make Yhwach's Royal Guards 10x, as they are the elite guards he chose, implying superiority to basically every other Quincy in his army except Uryū, Jugram and maybe Gremmy (who's a bit of a special case and also probably doesn't have Blut in the traditional sense, as he's just a brain and as shown in his Kenpachi fight, he can just imagine his body to have the defensive or offensive capability granted by Blut anyways) (Bleach TYBW Episode 21, episode 24-25)
Hollow Masks and Resurrección:
This part was done with the help of @Apotheosis69.
As stated before, Hollow Masks are currently 5-10x also based on which feat is being scaled. I wish to change that to just 5x (the default), with two exceptions. The first exception is Kaname. I believe his hollowfication should specifically be 10x, because he is capable of performing Resurrección, something that the other visored are incapable of at the current time, implying a greater level of mastery. It is also important to note that Kaname has had his hollow for far less time, as the visoreds have had them for over a century while Kaname only gained his fairly recently, likely after Aizen's departure from the Soul Society. The other exception is Ichigo after getting his true Zanpakutō. He obtains his true Zanpakutō by accepting his true powers, which involves accepting his hollow as a part of him. Thus, he should now have 10x for his hollow forms (which is what it currently is in his profile). (Bleach TYBW Episode 13+19)
Resurrección itself currently does not have a specific modifier. However, there is this part where Ulquiorra mentions that in addition to Gran Rey Cero, the releases of Espada ranked 4 and up are considered forbidden specifically because they are too strong. This is important, as Cero Oscuros is not forbidden for even the Espada to use, which is accepted as a 10x amp. This is also why Gran Rey Cero is accepted as a 10x amp, as it is superior to Cero Oscuros. The proposal that I and @Apotheosis69 decided on is to give Espada ranked 1-4 (Starrk, Baraggan, Harribel, Ulquiorra) a 10x Resurrección. It's important to know that this is only for the current Espada, not former Espada such as Nel, as there is no way of knowing if this rule applied when Nel or other former Espada were active Espada. The reason I have decided not to give Yammy this change is because his Resurrección's power massively fluctuates based on how angry he is. In addition to his ability to store up power being required to become Espada 0, this means that pinning down a multiplier for his Resurrección would be pointless, as his level of stored power and level of anger actively decides how strong he becomes both in his base form and when he releases.
Please understand that I cba writing Cero Oscuros and Gran Ray Cero for every rating, especially since Cero Oscuros only applies to half the ratings while Gran Ray Cero applies to all. Because of that, I just listed them as Gran Ray Cero in the Blog.
Specific characters:
In addition to these changes, there are specific characters that I believe should have a specific multiplier that I will list in this section. If you think you can prove a specific multiplier for a character that is not mentioned in this section, or you have additional evidence with scans, feel free to comment down below.
Yhwach:
He is the father of the Quincies and the son of the Soul King. As the strongest Quincy and the creator of Quincies, his Blut should be 10x., especially since Blut has a strength correlation. He also has Blut Vene Aufheben, a special technique that showcases his mastery of Blut (Bleach TYBW Season 2 Episode 13). No values will be changed if this is accepted since this is currently what's on the profile.
Lloyd Twins:
Just like Yhwach, Royd should have his Blut be 10x. The main reason is that he can copy around 75% (70-80%) of his target's power and he copied Yhwach's abilities. If his Blut is only 5x, he would somehow be stronger in base then Yhwach, which makes no sense. With that said, I am open to alternatives such as 7.5x or something, but my personal belief based on him having 75% of Yhwach's full abilities (at the time he copied Yhwach) means he should be 10x. This would only apply to Royd when he copies Yhwach, though he has only ever fought as Yhwach and doesn't have any other ratings anywhere so that's a non issue. No values will be changed if this is accepted since this is what's currently on the profiles
With that in mind, Lloyd should only have 5x for a similar reason: He has never been shown to copy Yhwach and there is no guarantee he can, especially since Yhwach stated during his fight with Yamamoto that only he can take Zanka no Tachi, which wouldn't make sense of Lloyd could handle Yhwach's full power (since Lloyd copies 100% of the target's power). Granted, there could be other reasons why, but since he has only ever copied First Invasion Kenpachi Zaraki, there is no reason to give him 10x. Note that Lloyd also currently doesn't have a key/rating that has Blut (as he has only copied Zaraki, a Shinigami), but I'm actually going to propose he gets a rating without The Yourself, so I just want to establish that his Blut will be 5x.
Now, for my evidence of Lloyd having a rating without The Yourself (and Royd not having one) is simple. This statement refers to Sternritters being Captain level and came out during Episode 4 of TYBW. At this time, Royd was still considered Yhwach, so it stands to reason he was not included. However, Loyd invaded as himself, only changing to Kenpachi once he met him. Because of this, he should be included as part of that statement (though I'd be fine with a likely/possibly). Thus, Loyd will get a rating that is 6-B (38.9448 Teratons), High 6-B (194.7239 Teratons) with Blut. No one scales to this.
Jugram:
As the Grandmaster of the Sternritter, Jugram is someone that nearly every Sternritter would consider worthy of being the successor of Yhwach. In addition, he was able to survive being in close proximity to Yamamoto's Bankai and snaps Ichigo's sword, albeit an extremely fatigued and damaged Ichigo. In addition, he and Uryū were both brought up to the Royal Palace and treated like the Royal Guards, as opposed to Nianzol. Changes are in the Blog.
Uryū:
My proposal is due to the whole Blut strength correlation, Uryū's superiority to the Sternritter should mean his Blut is 10x for both keys, especially since he can use Ranso Tengai, an extremely advanced Quincy technique when he was far weaker and knew far less about his quincy abilities. In addition, he is factually the successor of Yhwach, and Quilge was surprised at the idea that Uryu could be considered weaker then him. Finally, he and Jugram were both brought up to the Royal Palace and treated like the Royal Guards, as opposed to Nianzol. Changes are in the blog.
Masaki:
Her Blut was described as exceptionally powerful, which is why I think she deserves a 10x for her Blut. With that in mind, it's specifically ONLY for her Blut Vene, since they directly stated her defensive capabilities, not her overall capability.
Therefore, she gets 6-B+/Country Level+ (77.8896 Teratons) (10x her base durability) for her durability using Blut Vene. This scales to no other character.
Gerard:
In addition to the above changes, I've also added Blut to his God Size to Vollständig Second Form Keys. The reasoning is that there is no reason he shouldn't have them, his last 3 keys just have less work since most of the work would probably be done in Cour 4. The values are Low 5-B+ (42.8393 Zettatons), possibly 4-A (16.8800 ExaFoe). These values (currently) scale to no one, though Cour 4 could change things. Cour 4 is also why I don't want to give Gerard Sklaverei scaling, as I want to see how it plays out. Note: Since Gerard's last 3 keys are God Size, Quincy: Vollständig and Vollständig Second Form, if we do give him the Sklaverei, it would simply be applied to his Second Form (making it 3x stronger compared to his previous two keys.)
Quilge:
I believe Quilge should also have a 10x Blut, based on his abilities. Not only is he capable of using Ranso Tengai, an extremely advanced Quincy technique, he's also the combat instructor for the Sternritter.
Due to this thread, Quilge's values's have also changed. Now, Quilge currently doesn't scale to Ichigo as he's clearly not on the same level. However, his Jail does. So I have made adjustments based on this in the blog.
Ichigo:
I actually think Fullbring Zanpakutō Ichigo's Blut shouldn't be 10x (I know, I was the one who put him there (Apparently improperly cause his possibly rating is still 5x lol) and tbh, that was just a straight up mistake. I would've changed it back if it wasn't locked). The reason I think it shouldn't be 10x is the same reason it's only a possibly for Blut Arterie, that being a completely new ability he doesn't even have control over. Yes, he was able to block Yhwach's attacks, but Yhwach wasn't exactly going for the kill both times Ichigo used Blut. Moreover, he specifically only gains a complete understanding of his powers once he accepts both Zangetsus and gets his True Shikai, which is why I think his Fullbring Zanpakutō Blut rating should be 5x. Note: This is ONLY for his Fullbring Zanpakutō, as True Shikai will be 10x for the same reason explained for his Hollowfication. Changes will be in the blog.
Due to this thread, Ichigo's rage amp was accepted as relative to his base form due to being heavily fatigued and because the values are similar. Due to this thread, the values are no longer similar. Because of this, there are now two possible ways we scale Ichigo: Either we separate the rage amp or we don't. If we separate it, only the rage amp scales to Yhwach while his normal Bankai form scales to Quilge. If we don't, they both scale to Yhwach and don't scale to Quilge. This only applies to their possibly ratings, as their solid ratings both scale to Quilge either way. There are valid reasons to separate them and to keep them the same, that being the difference in values vs how damaged Ichigo was during his fight against Yhwach. With that in mind, I've decided to seperate them in the blog. I will leave it up to staff if they think that should not be the case. (Note: Quilge, TYBW Ayon and TYBW Urahara would scale to Ichigo without the rage amp)
Finally, I'm also going to propose in this CRT to just give him Blut for his Shikai and Base Bankai since he gained Blut in this key and it should be activatable in all forms of Fullbring Zanpakutō. Obviously, Blut Arterie will remain as a possibly rating while Blut Vene stays as a normal rating. The values for the solid ratings are 5-C (194.7239 Exatons) for his Shikai's Blut, Low 5-B (21.4196 Zettatons) for his Bankai/enraged Bankai's Blut. The value for the possibly ratings are 4-A (20.0800 TeraFoe) for Fullbring Zanpakutō Bankai Ichigo, 4-A (100.4 TeraFoe) for Fullbring Zanpakutō Bankai Ichigo's Blut, 4-A (1.6880 ExaFoe) for his enraged Bankai and 4-A (8.4400 ExaFoe) for his enraged Bankai's Blut. No one scales to these values (Yhwach scales from his own feats in the possibly line and scales to enraged Bankai Ichigo without Blut in the solid line)
Bonus Hollow Mask: As it stands, Final Grimmjow Fight Hollow Mask Ichigo scales 10x purely from superiority to Grimmjow's Gran Ray Cero. This also leads to Post-Resurrección Hollow Mask being 10x as well. Due to Ichigo's Mask constantly changing, it is possible that this can be 10x as well. For now, I've kept it as is.
Gantenbainne:
On his profile, it says he's supposed to be stronger then Fracciónes classed Arrancar, but that isn't really reflected in his AP. To bring him in line with other Arrancar, I've moved his AP to 6-B (38.9448 Teratons) and his Resurrección would be High 6-B (194.7239 Teratons), as it is currently independently accepted as 5x. Arrancar Arc Chad will also be moved to High 6-B (194.7239 Teratons) for his true power. Due to the superiority of Espada over the Privaron Espada, Aaronniero, Szayelaporro and Zommari's Resurrección will also be moved to High 6-B (194.7239 Teratons) with their Gran Rey Cero/Cero Oscuros in Resurrección being 10x of that at 6-A (1.9472 Petatons). Luppi will be moved to High 6-B (194.7239 Teratons) with his Resurrección, 6-A (1.5578 Petatons) with Tentacle Attack and 6-A (1.9472 Petatons) with Gran Rey Cero/Cero Oscuros in Resurrección. Toshiro and Cang Du have been scaled in the blog to match Luppi's change. Rukia, Pesche and Dondochakka do not scale because Pesche and Dondochakka would've only killed base Szayelaporro with their attack and Rukia would've only been able to damage Base Aaronierro with her Kido (with both Pesche and Rukia only dealing damage to Resurrección Szayelaporro/Aaronniero when the enemy was completely off-guard)
Soul King:
The Soul King currently has Blut (very poorly applied by someone) and if Yhwach has 10x, the Soul King obviously should as well. Now, there are a few things to consider.
First is scaling. Prime Soul King currently (likely) scales to Ichigo's full strength as Ichigo has the highest AP rating in the verse (but should still be weaker then Prime Soul King). The question is if we reduce Prime Soul King's values by 10x and apply Ichigo's highest value to his Blut, or if we should keep it as is and give him 10x to that value with Blut? For now, I've put it at 10x, at 3-B (36.8 YottaFoe) for Weakened Soul King and 3-B (3.68 QuettaFoe) (Is this how you spell it) for Prime Soul King. No other character scales
Next, how it should be applied. It's true that the Weakened Soul King can't really attack, but he still does have an AP value, just with a note that he can't actually feasibly attack. I think we can keep this note for an offensive Blut, as there is nothing stopping him from using Blut offensively, it just wouldn't do anything worthwhile and it's not like anyone else will scale to this value.
Finally, there's where it should be applied. This is fairly simple and understandable, but just in case, this will only be for his standard base rating,
Miscellaneous:
Lisa: Lisa's Hollow Mask currently possibly scales to Harribel's Resurrección. She could get a possibly 1/5th rating in base, or we could just keep it as is, or we can change it to just a higher like Hiyori. For now, I've given her a possibly rating for her base form, that being High 6-A (7.7890 Petatons). No other character is affected by this.
Kensei: Giving his base rating a Hollow Mask rating as well. This is just because his current one is tied to his Bankai/Likely Shikai full power, but he should also have one for the solid rating too. This would give him a solid High 6-B (389.4479 Teratons) rating with the Hollow Mask. No other character is affected by this.
Cang Du: Since the Vollständig of the Quincies who've stolen Bankai are supposed to be superior to the full power of the stolen Bankai, Cang Du has been updated to match other Sternritters with a possibly rating of High 6-B (311.5583 Teratons) for his Vollständig. No other character is affected by this.
Äs Nödt: Same thing as Cang Du, his Vollständig should be scaling to the full power of Byakuya's Bankai, which includes Senkei and Shukei. Changes are in the blog.
Yamamoto: Yamamoto was meant to have a rating above Gremmy. This includes his possibly rating, which was accidentally scaled to Royd (probably by me tbh). This has been fixed to be a possibly 4-A (16.8800 ExaFoe) rating. No other character is affected by this (Royd scales to 75% Yhwach).
Nakeem: Nakeem's likely rating was based on Renji's statement, but that statement only applied to the Arrancar he was fighting. Shawlong doesn't have that issue and I think his 7-B+ (56.2674 Megatons) should go, as there's no indication that Rangiku thought the same of her opponent. No other character is affected by this.
Sternritters scaling off this statement should just have their likely ratings changed to solid ones. There's just no reason for them not to (Especially Shaz who is supposed to scale to Izuru). Everyone who scales to a likely will just scale directly instead. Changes are in the blog (This has no value changes)
Chad: I removed the possibly Blut scaling, since on Uryū's profile, there's no rating for if he used Blut on Ichigo and it doesn't seem like he's used Blut. I just don't think it's valid, even for a possibly rating.
Isane: I removed the likely rating for her Captain key and made it a solid one. I don't know why it's even a likely. No values were changed.
Voting:
Agree: @SomebodyData (agrees with all, fine with both proposals), @Dalesean027 (agrees with all, fine with proposal 1) @KingTempest (agrees with all, fine with proposal 1)
Disagree:
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