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Cinder VS Cinner

Peppypony

Peppypony

She/Her
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I keep misreading "Cinner" as "Cinder" every time I go on FC/OC, I'm sick of it (light-hearted), so I'm glad they share a tier and hopefully, this matchup will put an end to this madness.
  • Starting distance: 4 metres
  • Speed is equal
  • Post-Beacon with Maiden powers for Cinder and Supreme Duelist for Cinner (pure form not allowed)
  • Otherwise, SBA
Cinder: 0
Cinner: 0
Cynder: 0
 
This is a bit out of left field, but I’ll see if I can respond after dealing with this other Cinner match. The guy has way too many at this point tbh.
 
Something I think is big here, I think both combatants completely no diff the others temperature manipulation. Aura can take lightning temps while Base Cinner can only make 3000 degrees Fahrenheit but Cinder’s best feat I can find is turning sand to glass which only takes 3090 while Cinner can resist 17540 degrees.

With that established and just using his mid-end, Cinner has a 1.7x AP advantage and maybe skill given his experience against fighters like Kaint and High-Flyer as well as Ancient Giants. Though Cinder beating Ozpin is huge, even if it was due to raw power. Cinder has range with her magic and bows so Cinner will have to force his way in, but he has his maneuvers and the advantage of them starting at such a close distance.

Both have similar skills like forcefields and martial arts/weapon mastery, but Cinner has far better regeneration besides Cinder’s Shadow Hand while Cinder has dust Danmaku. Cinder can fly but Cinner can push off the ground and double jump, she can also use ice to freeze him but he can emit his aura which should be hot enough to melt it. Her electricity is resisted while wind vortexes should be bypassed by Cinner’s LS and her other stuff seems minor/purely in verse.

With all this, I’m leaning Cinner since he’s stronger physically, has better and less painful healing, and can match or bypass enough of Cinder’s abilities to use his skill advantage. He can also drain her aura with his own which is built to overpower such forms of bodily energy.
 
Matches overall are fun, but I can be pretty competitive and/or hotheaded at times which makes it a bit intense even though it doesn’t make much sense to be either of those things about vs threads of all things lol

It’s just my nature I guess
 
VeneficaAuthor said:
Matches overall are fun, but I can be pretty competitive and/or hotheaded at times which makes it a bit intense even though it doesn’t make much sense to be either of those things about vs threads of all things lol

It’s just my nature I guess
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I officially lock in whenever I face a Magistream user
 
VeneficaAuthor said:
Matches overall are fun, but I can be pretty competitive and/or hotheaded at times which makes it a bit intense even though it doesn’t make much sense to be either of those things about vs threads of all things lol

It’s just my nature I guess
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I get the same but this is kinda low stakes since I fell out of love with RWBY and Cinder herself is kinda a no go for me
 
vsdffdsffff

Anyways uhhhh... Do you have anything to say about this RWBY scaling copypasta if you've seen it before?

Spinorr sent this (which was made by Weeklybattles I believe) in one of my matches where I didn't dive into Devipelt's skill in her match because speed boosts go brrrrr. But anyways.
"At the bottom of the skill chain is aura users as a whole. While every living being in RWBY technically has Aura, actually being able to utilize it for things such as defense, regen, and senses requires years of training and a high enough degree of martial skill (and yes you actually need martial skill for it) that only a small percentage of the population of the entire planet ever become skilled enough to utilize their aura. Of that small percentage, an even smaller percentage ever become skilled enough to manifest/control a Semblance (yes semblances are also skill-based). To reach this small percentage comes to the second half of the bottom of the chain: Almost every character worth their salt in RWBY has spent their entire life training in combat and can fight hordes of Grimm with little issue (Almost because Jaune exists). The entirety of the main cast of RWBY was initially enrolled at Beacon Academy, one of the most prestigious combat schools in the world, with almost everyone who was accepted there having been trained for almost their entire life to fight monsters, and each one that was not professionally trained requiring a skill display overseen by Ozpin, who has the composite skill of several thousand professional huntsmen that he accumulated over his immortal lifetime. Thats the baseline for skill in the verse.

Before the Beacon Arc Ruby had been personally trained by her uncle Qrow in combat and as a result she was noted as always excelling above her peers in combat training. At the start of the series Ruby was at a level of skill that even though she was two years away from being eligible to join Beacon she was admitted due her combat prowess impressing Ozpin, with him noting that she was already a master at wielding one of the most dangerous weapons ever designed. In combat Ruby is capable of taking on entire hordes of Grimm on her own and walking away without a scratch and utilizing the different functionalities of the Crescent Rose, such as the massive recoil from the rifle aspect of the weapon and the weapon's transformative capabilities, in tandem with each other and her Semblance in order to maintain an edge over her opponent. Basically every named character is around this level of skill in the early seasons. Now for Velvet. Velvet is able to perfectly and instantly mimic the exact moves that she observes other people use in combat as well as utilize multiple different fighting styles simultaneously, both armed and unarmed. Thanks to Anesidora, Velvet is also able to copy fighting styles that utilize weapons, and she is able to wield the weapons that she copies just as effectively as their original user. To date that we know of, Velvet is able to simultaneously utilize the fighting styles and weapons of Ruby Rose, Yang Xiao Long, Weiss Schnee, Blake Belladonna, Nora Valkyrie, Sun Wukong, Penny Polendina, Coco Adel, Peter Port, Reese Chloris, Fox Alistar, Vega Bleu, Yatsuhashi Daichi, Russel Thrush, Roy Stallion, Neptune Vasilias, Brawnz Ni, Bartholomew Oobleck, Flynt Coal, Edward Caspian, and Scarlet David. Of note, every person listed spent their entire lives training in combat and several of them are professional huntsmen with decades of combat experience.

Moving up the chain we have Nebula Violette, who not only outmatched Velvet in a 1v1 test of martial arts skill, but was directly stated to be more skilled than Velvet in combat despite Velvet mixing numerous fighting styles to try to throw her off in their fight. Above her is Pyrrha Nikos, the skill god of the Beacon Arc. Pyrrha is one of the most skilled students at Beacon Academy, having won every combat tournament she has entered since she was a pre-teen due to both her mastery of combat and mastery of her semblance, being able to apply it in combat completely undetected and having done so in almost every fight she's been in for over a decade, doing so with such skill and precision that she has lead many to believe she is untouchable and invincible as no one has been able to even land a blow on her in her combat career. Even without her semblance she has shown the ability to quickly and easily adapt to her combat situation and analyze her opponents while fighting and changing tactics to suit the situation she is in. She has shown extreme accuracy, being able to hit moving targets from hundreds of meters away and strike vital weak points on an opponent mid-combat both with and without the aid of her semblance. She is also highly skilled at using her weapon's multiple forms in combat, being able to switch between forms several times in rapid succession to both deliver rapid attacks and counter others simultaneously.

Then theres Mercury. Mercury is a veritable master of close combat, having spent his entire life training in pure martial combat to make up for his Semblance being stolen by his father. He is shown to be a very acrobatic and agile fighter who relies upon quickly overpowering his opponent with complex kicks that imply a near-mastery of martial arts that resemble Tae-Kwon-Do. He is also capable of a break-dancing style, similar to Capoeira, and makes use of Muay Thai as well. Despite his focus on kicks, Mercury also uses his hands to grapple, block or redirect enemy attacks. His experience and skill are aggressive and effective enough to drive even fighters of a high caliber, like Pyrrha, into a defensive position, with Word of God confirming that Mercury would defeat her if he fought her seriously. Due to his fighting style, Mercury relies on his swift and quick reflexes to counter and block his opponent's attacks as first demonstrated during his fight with Yang Xiao Long, altering the course of her punches and using his footwork to raise her fists and kick underneath or around her attacks. Despite the presumed awkwardness of his weapon's ranged capabilities he is a skilled marksman, able to shoot a phone out of a person's hand from a good distance away, and is proficient at using the many different forms of projectiles at his disposal to keep his opponents off balance. Mercury is also known to be observant, tactical, and analytical, able to notice and deduce the capabilities and limits of Pyrrha's Polarity Semblance after she uses it once during their brief fight, despite Pyrrha using it extremely subtly in combat and having spent her entire life honing her ability to hide her Semblance and its mechanics from her opponents and the general public."
 
Peppypony said:
vsdffdsffff

Anyways uhhhh... Do you have anything to say about this RWBY scaling copypasta if you've seen it before?

Spinorr sent this (which was made by Weeklybattles I believe) in one of my matches where I didn't dive into Devipelt's skill in her match because speed boosts go brrrrr. But anyways.
"At the bottom of the skill chain is aura users as a whole. While every living being in RWBY technically has Aura, actually being able to utilize it for things such as defense, regen, and senses requires years of training and a high enough degree of martial skill (and yes you actually need martial skill for it) that only a small percentage of the population of the entire planet ever become skilled enough to utilize their aura. Of that small percentage, an even smaller percentage ever become skilled enough to manifest/control a Semblance (yes semblances are also skill-based). To reach this small percentage comes to the second half of the bottom of the chain: Almost every character worth their salt in RWBY has spent their entire life training in combat and can fight hordes of Grimm with little issue (Almost because Jaune exists). The entirety of the main cast of RWBY was initially enrolled at Beacon Academy, one of the most prestigious combat schools in the world, with almost everyone who was accepted there having been trained for almost their entire life to fight monsters, and each one that was not professionally trained requiring a skill display overseen by Ozpin, who has the composite skill of several thousand professional huntsmen that he accumulated over his immortal lifetime. Thats the baseline for skill in the verse.

Before the Beacon Arc Ruby had been personally trained by her uncle Qrow in combat and as a result she was noted as always excelling above her peers in combat training. At the start of the series Ruby was at a level of skill that even though she was two years away from being eligible to join Beacon she was admitted due her combat prowess impressing Ozpin, with him noting that she was already a master at wielding one of the most dangerous weapons ever designed. In combat Ruby is capable of taking on entire hordes of Grimm on her own and walking away without a scratch and utilizing the different functionalities of the Crescent Rose, such as the massive recoil from the rifle aspect of the weapon and the weapon's transformative capabilities, in tandem with each other and her Semblance in order to maintain an edge over her opponent. Basically every named character is around this level of skill in the early seasons. Now for Velvet. Velvet is able to perfectly and instantly mimic the exact moves that she observes other people use in combat as well as utilize multiple different fighting styles simultaneously, both armed and unarmed. Thanks to Anesidora, Velvet is also able to copy fighting styles that utilize weapons, and she is able to wield the weapons that she copies just as effectively as their original user. To date that we know of, Velvet is able to simultaneously utilize the fighting styles and weapons of Ruby Rose, Yang Xiao Long, Weiss Schnee, Blake Belladonna, Nora Valkyrie, Sun Wukong, Penny Polendina, Coco Adel, Peter Port, Reese Chloris, Fox Alistar, Vega Bleu, Yatsuhashi Daichi, Russel Thrush, Roy Stallion, Neptune Vasilias, Brawnz Ni, Bartholomew Oobleck, Flynt Coal, Edward Caspian, and Scarlet David. Of note, every person listed spent their entire lives training in combat and several of them are professional huntsmen with decades of combat experience.

Moving up the chain we have Nebula Violette, who not only outmatched Velvet in a 1v1 test of martial arts skill, but was directly stated to be more skilled than Velvet in combat despite Velvet mixing numerous fighting styles to try to throw her off in their fight. Above her is Pyrrha Nikos, the skill god of the Beacon Arc. Pyrrha is one of the most skilled students at Beacon Academy, having won every combat tournament she has entered since she was a pre-teen due to both her mastery of combat and mastery of her semblance, being able to apply it in combat completely undetected and having done so in almost every fight she's been in for over a decade, doing so with such skill and precision that she has lead many to believe she is untouchable and invincible as no one has been able to even land a blow on her in her combat career. Even without her semblance she has shown the ability to quickly and easily adapt to her combat situation and analyze her opponents while fighting and changing tactics to suit the situation she is in. She has shown extreme accuracy, being able to hit moving targets from hundreds of meters away and strike vital weak points on an opponent mid-combat both with and without the aid of her semblance. She is also highly skilled at using her weapon's multiple forms in combat, being able to switch between forms several times in rapid succession to both deliver rapid attacks and counter others simultaneously.

Then theres Mercury. Mercury is a veritable master of close combat, having spent his entire life training in pure martial combat to make up for his Semblance being stolen by his father. He is shown to be a very acrobatic and agile fighter who relies upon quickly overpowering his opponent with complex kicks that imply a near-mastery of martial arts that resemble Tae-Kwon-Do. He is also capable of a break-dancing style, similar to Capoeira, and makes use of Muay Thai as well. Despite his focus on kicks, Mercury also uses his hands to grapple, block or redirect enemy attacks. His experience and skill are aggressive and effective enough to drive even fighters of a high caliber, like Pyrrha, into a defensive position, with Word of God confirming that Mercury would defeat her if he fought her seriously. Due to his fighting style, Mercury relies on his swift and quick reflexes to counter and block his opponent's attacks as first demonstrated during his fight with Yang Xiao Long, altering the course of her punches and using his footwork to raise her fists and kick underneath or around her attacks. Despite the presumed awkwardness of his weapon's ranged capabilities he is a skilled marksman, able to shoot a phone out of a person's hand from a good distance away, and is proficient at using the many different forms of projectiles at his disposal to keep his opponents off balance. Mercury is also known to be observant, tactical, and analytical, able to notice and deduce the capabilities and limits of Pyrrha's Polarity Semblance after she uses it once during their brief fight, despite Pyrrha using it extremely subtly in combat and having spent her entire life honing her ability to hide her Semblance and its mechanics from her opponents and the general public."
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SDS has a similar baseline where very few people learn how to use the Ki within them and fewer train it enough to have it manifest into unique abilities like the ones Cinner has gained. Being trained for or engaged in combat your whole life also tracks with quite a few of the notable cast including Cinner, Streak, Kaint, High-Flyer, likely Dice, and others.

Ruby was impressive but still lacking to the point she got easily beaten by Roman so I’ll just move up to Velvet. Funnily enough she has the same gimmick as Dice, copying weapons and the abilities attributed with those weapons including Streak’s who was one of the high tiers and semifinalists. Cinner beat him with around mid difficulty so I’ll go higher.

Phyrra like said is a skill god in RWBY with her tactical prowess and mastery of her own abilities. Cinner shares these traits with his constant adaptation in fights and growing skill set throughout the story. Both also have a near undefeated record on them. Mercury like Cinner is a very skilled martial artist. He uses Tae kwon do, Capoeira, and Muay Thai while Cinner has TKD, Karate, and Judo along with his own style made for better using his staff. Mercury is also a skilled marksman which Cinner has beaten before and can deduce hidden abilities like Cinner did with High-Flyer.

Assuming Cinder is above Mercury here, Cinner has some good legs to stand on for skill scaling.
 
Is there anything else to cover here? I already gave my thoughts on the advantages both these guys have and who I think wins
 
Spinoirr said:
Anyways should note that Cinder's Semblance bypassed Pyrrha's aura heat resistance of the temperature of lightning so uh yeah given aura covers weapons
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I see, though Cinner’s style is dodging and blocking attacks to counter and he already has a debatable skill/experience advantage. I also see that aura can deplete and just stacks damage so not entirely sure if Cinder’s heat is outright that hot. Either way, Cinder landing good hits will be difficult so I won’t change my vote for now.
 
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