D fights a Slime

[ShivaShakti]

Read the ultimate user/skill section in the explanation blog, you clearly don't read it.

The blog doesn't say jack about 4-D or transcending 3-D beings.

By the logic of "Erasing a timeline" everyone with Space-Time Manipulation and similar feats should automatically get Higher-Dimensional Manipulation.

 

[GLHF22]

Im out

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

Resisting Chloe's timeloop multiple times is 4-D because it literally affect the whole 2-C verse erasing their memories of her and massive shift of events in the story with a single timeloop. Considering that within the duration of the timeloop plenty of people were transmigrated, summoned or reincarnated from Earth, the scale of the loop is 2-C.

It's not just a simple timeloop though since some of the vital parts of the loop exist in different universes at the time. Heck, even the central figure of that loop's younger self exists in a different universe at the time of the loop.

Also memories of an individual being deleted due to multiple versions of that individual existing at the same time sounds like a weird in-between of causality manipulation and time manipulation (in terms of effects that need to be resisted)

 

[ShivaShakti]

Resisting Chloe's timeloop multiple times is 4-D because it literally affect the whole 2-C verse erasing their memories of her and massive shift of events in the story with a single timeloop. Considering that within the duration of the timeloop plenty of people were transmigrated, summoned or reincarnated from Earth, the scale of the loop is 2-C.

Thats just Space-Time Manip across a 2-C cosmology, thats not 4-D, nor does anything imply it transcends 3-D beings.

With this same logic, Argosax for warping and causing paradoxes across a timeline of a universe should automatically have all of his powers and abilities scaled up to 4-D and he should have Higher Dimensional Existence for embodying the changes he made, which is obviously not the case as none of that is accepted on this wiki. Space-Time crap isn't automatically 4-D...

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

I'm have some stuffs to do atm so gonna respond later

 

[Sheska444]

Im out

so...youre a baldy?

 

[MrDrProfessorPatricio]

@AogiriKira

It's not space-time manip, it's fate/causality/time on a 2-C scale because of the shifting of events that happened in the story. Here's the thread about the revision and what they decided: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3021982

The VotW is a 4-D entity and is the one managing/system of the verse but it can't lay a finger on Rimuru due to Ciel protecting his mind. I will admit that I'm kinda iffy about Ultimate Skill users getting 4-D resistance to all the stuff that they resist since there were like 2 small cases of them getting affected by lower skills and we treat them as PIS

I'm gonna drop that topic for now and say that Rimuru can also gain new resistance to that due to his absurd RE since the Rimuru in the imaginary space is the one analyzing the battle while D is focusing on the Rimuru in front of him. If the one Rimuru that D is facing is somehow defeated, the Rimuru in imaginary space will send another Rimuru but this time its modified with resistance, information and countermeasures due to the analysis and it will keep spamming more clones if all the Rimurus are not dealt with at the same time. There's still Satoru Mikami which exist from a different plane of existence that needs to be dealt if somehow the Rimuru in imaginary space is gone.

 

[ShivaShakti]

D negs reactive evolution passively, and bypasses a good layer of resistances for said evolution negging. Also 2-C resistances to Information manipulation, as he exists outside the Akashic Records which has Information on all things in creation

Also even if we wanna say all of Rimuru's stuff is 4-D, D's mind and paraylsis hax bypass the resistances of his twin, who has equal powers and resistances, including D's 2-C resistances to Mind Hax. D also has innate resistance negation which it seems Rimuru doesn't resist.

 

[NeoSuperior]

This is the first time I read anything about Tier 2 and 4D being "seperate". Default VS-Battles settings are 3 Dimensional Space + 1 Dimension of time for a Low 2-C Space-Time Continuum if I remember correctly. That is, as far as I am aware, "4D".

Also wasn't there a big rule change a few months ago about 4D no longer being insta-stomp against 3D, but instead now depends on actual range/scale?

 

[ShivaShakti]

This is the first time I read anything about Tier 2 and 4D being "seperate". Default VS-Battles settings are 3 Dimensional Space + 1 Dimension of time for a Low 2-C Space-Time Continuum if I remember correctly. That is, as far as I am aware, "4D".
Also wasn't there a big rule change a few months ago about 4D no longer being insta-stomp against 3D, but instead now depends on actual range/scale?

People who perform tier 2 feats arent instantly 4-D. Destroying a timeline doesn't mean you and all your powers are automatically 4-D.

As for the whole "4-D no longer stomping 3-D" Im just using simple terms. Its easier than saying "Transcendence" over and over again.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

Dude, low-2C already give you some 4D power if you can destroyed its Space-time continuum, 4th Dimension is time, all universes basically have 3-D + 1-D spatio temporal Dimension.

That's only AP, not hax nor physiology or resistances.

 

[ShivaShakti]

Thank you Tony-Chan

 

[NeoSuperior]

Eh wait, this went off the rails. Wasn't the discussion started by someone claiming that feats on Tier 2 level don't count as 4D feats? Why is it AP vs Hax now, all of a sudden?

 

[ShivaShakti]

Eh wait, this went off the rails. Wasn't the discussion started by someone claiming that feats on Tier 2 level don't count as 4D feats? Why is it AP vs Hax now, all of a sudden?

I was arguing just because Rimuru has a few tier 2 feats, it doesn't mean he auto resists all of D's 4-D hax.

 

[Tony_di_bugalu]

What the crazy lesbo cat said.

For example, SMT, most protagonists are 3-D beings with 4-D hax, resistance and power but being able to bust multiverse doesn't mean they are 4-D.

 

[Oblivion_Of_The_Endless]

I think this got massively derailed btw

 

[ShivaShakti]

I think this got massively derailed btw </div>

Prolly should close this and never discuss what happened here again lol

 

[GLHF22]

That's only AP, not hax nor physiology or resistances.

Who said Rimuru is 4-D? I said he is 3-D with 4-D powers, read again and read what my justification for his resistance, he ignored the fact that VotW is a system that govern several parallel universes yet cant messing around to Rimuru's mind.

 

[GLHF22]

Honestly this is the first time i saw people claim universe along with its Space-time continuum is not 4D

 

[Sheska444]

"People only see what they want to see"

I think Im the one who said Rimuru is 4D.

 

[Bobjoemike]

D negs reactive evolution passively, and bypasses a good layer of resistances for said evolution negging. Also 2-C resistances to Information manipulation, as he exists outside the Akashic Records which has Information on all things in creation
Also even if we wanna say all of Rimuru's stuff is 4-D, D's mind and paraylsis hax bypass the resistances of his twin, who has equal powers and resistances, including D's 2-C resistances to Mind Hax. D also has innate resistance negation which it seems Rimuru doesn't resist.

D has reactive evolution negation but that would only work on the Rimuru infront of him and not on the Rimuru in imaginary space since he doesn't have the range, so that Rimuru can still improved himself and send out the modified version

D has iInformation Analysis resistance but can he resist it on a 2-B(Ciel, who is doing the analysing, is equal to Rimuru) scale?

Rimuru can't kill D permanently due to High-Godly regen but he can absorp D and gained all of his abilities and resistances by the time D regenerated

There's also the fact that Rimuru has the ability to create new skills on the fly to counter D with either Harvest Lord Shub-Niggurath or Creation Lord Ahura Mazd─ü by using Information King-Akashic Records(Which contain every ability in the series) while D can't

I would say Rimuru win in the long run but D in the short run

 

[Elizhaa]

D doesn't have enough range to kill Rimuru nor truly incapacite since his Acausality Type 3 is on 2-B.

 

[Elizhaa]

It looks like this match could be a long term stomp for Rimuru.

 

[ShivaShakti]

snip

The rimuru that comes evolved from imaginary space that gets sent to fight D gets his evolutions negged.

Again. AP and Hax are a different category. Just because you're Tier 2 and have 4-D feats doesn't mean it automatically backscales to all of your powers and abilities.

Okay. And D can just keep erasing him before he can absorb, forcing him to send out more clones of himself

Actually D can do this. He has power mimicry that can allow him to gain powers across creation from past, present, and future... Also if Rimuru tries doing this D can power null him.

 

[GLHF22]

Thats not scale to all of His ability but some of His ability, read His justification for 4-D feats please don't assume that we wank Rimuru is a 4-D being Will all His ability is on 4-D level, you Will spread misinformation with your own you misundersanding.

This is stomp for Rimuru.

 

[Bobjoemike]

snip

The rimuru that comes evolved from imaginary space that gets sent to fight D gets his evolutions negged.
Again. AP and Hax are a different category. Just because you're Tier 2 and have 4-D feats doesn't mean it automatically backscales to all of your powers and abilities.

Okay. And D can just keep erasing him before he can absorb, forcing him to send out more clones of himself

Actually D can do this. He has power mimicry that can allow him to gain powers across creation from past, present, and future... Also if Rimuru tries doing this D can power null him.

Rimuru has no problem sending out more clones since he has the mana breeder reactor which gives him an inexhaustible source of mana.

This is kinda reminding of the Thanos vs Darkseid Death Battle

 

[ShivaShakti]

snip

The rimuru that comes evolved from imaginary space that gets sent to fight D gets his evolutions negged.
Again. AP and Hax are a different category. Just because you're Tier 2 and have 4-D feats doesn't mean it automatically backscales to all of your powers and abilities.

Okay. And D can just keep erasing him before he can absorb, forcing him to send out more clones of himself

Actually D can do this. He has power mimicry that can allow him to gain powers across creation from past, present, and future... Also if Rimuru tries doing this D can power null him.

Rimuru has no problem sending out more clones since he has the mana breeder reactor which gives him an inexhaustible source of mana.
This is kinda reminding of the Thanos vs Darkseid Death Battle

And D has no problem just erasing and outhaxxing everything that comes.

This is an incon.

 

[Bobjoemike]

yeah this is incon unless we can settle the matter of if Rimuru has 4-D scale of resistances and abilities completely which would probably required a third paty

 

[Elizhaa]

His resistance should be 4-D. His abilities should be 4-D in this key, he can outright create thousands of thousands universes with his energy source. His 4-D hax and 4-D resistance is even higher than Veldora's at his peak, at his worse. This match should be a stomp for Rimuru, frankly speaking.

 

[ShivaShakti]

His resistance should be 4-D. His abilities should be 4-D in this key, he can outright create thousands of thousands universes with his energy source. His 4-D hax and 4-D resistance is even higher than Veldora's at his peak, at his worse. This match should be a stomp for Rimuru, frankly speaking.

Creating universes doesn't automatically make all your powers and resistances 4-D.

 

[Brunout]

AP =/= HAX

Just because Rimuru has 4-D AP, doesn't mean that his abilities and resistances are also at this level...

 

[Elizhaa]

I said at worst; Hax and resistance would scaled to Veldora's last key hence they would still be 4-D

 

[ShivaShakti]

I said at worst; Hax and resistance would scaled to Veldora's last key hence they would still be 4-D

what makes them 4-D

 

[GLHF22]

Rimuru Resist A great last spirit erasure which can erase even an entire universe, it erase every concepts in the world even the concepts of life and death yet it cant wake Rimuru from His sleep.

 

[GLHF22]

Also Rimuru can turn null'd him, Turn Null is atleast 2-B (Turn Null is primordial energy which create and destroy universe) in potency and it makes you lost most of your power if it hits you, Rimuru can just snip him from Imaginary space.

 

[Elizhaa]

Also Rimuru can turn null'd him, Turn Null is atleast 2-B (Turn Null is primordial energy which create and destroy universe) in potency and it makes you lost most of your power if it hits you, Rimuru can just snip him from Imaginary space.

The Turn Null's weakeness was removed a while ago from an accepted CRT.

 

[MrGrey385]

Why is Turn Null "at least" 2b?

 

[ShivaShakti]

1. Your point is? I only see resistance to type 3 Conceptual manip on Rimuru's profile... D can dish out and tank Type 2.

2. If he turn nulls, D just regens.

 

[GLHF22]

1. Your point is? I only see resistance to type 3 Conceptual manip on Rimuru's profile... D can dish out and tank Type 2.

2. If he turn nulls, D just regens.

Turn Null makes you lost almost all of your power and ability if it hits you once, and who knows what happened when you got the second hit from turn Null, thats Will enough for Rimuru to Ate him and seal him in Imaginary space.

 

[ShivaShakti]

D resists Power Null.