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Intro
Welcome, this will be covering feats and statements from the verse to explain why DCAMU is high 6-A to 5-B, and also talk a little about time travel. The topics i will be going over are:- Superman and Flash has ED with time travel,
- Top Tiers scale to Trigon,
- Top Tiers scale to Motherboxes,
- Orm can Surface Wipe the Earth,
- Superman can move the Moon,
- Top tiers Scale to Swamp Thing and Destiny,
- Flash powers apokolips generator,
- 13 Lanterns blocks a planet busting attack
Flash and Superman (possibly for superman) 2-C Environmental destruction
Firstly we need to establish why the feat is 2-C instead of low 2-C. In Crisis On Infinite Earths we see that when Barry killed a baby Darkseid, due to the fact that he’s a universal pillar, the reality change split the universe into 2, creating the multiverse, hence why they’d be Low-Multiversal instead of Uni+.Secondly we need to go over why Superman would also posses this scaling. In the Flashpoint movie, when specifically talking about how to alter rewrite reality by breaking the time barrier through sheer speed, Barry specifically says Superman is capable of doing it, with the verse pages currently stating that the flashpoint characters posses the same strength as they do after. Even though he’s never shown doing this, I feel this statement warrants a “possibly” rating for both 2-C and “immeasurable speed when going all out” superman. This would not be the first, second, or third iteration of Superman with immeasurable speed when going all out.
Top tiers scale to Trigon or possibly above
We all know trigon surface wipes and destroys a moon. But honestly the take that no one actually scales trigon trigon is incredibly outdated as they’re numerous feats of him being blatantly overpowered, or overwhelmed beyond his control, or showing relativity to others.- Jl vs trigon loss isnt as bad as made seem. Firstly only 3 members fought him, Superman, Wonder Woman and Flash, and even then they still showed while albeat small, low end relativity to Trigon. Superman’s punch was still able to push trigon back needing to plant his feat to not fall down, while Wonder Woman can deflect his heat vision with her sword; the same one that Doomsday broke.
- Raven was able to trap trigon with because her own magic was strong, with it physically overpowering Trigon and restraining him on multiple occasions, therefore she should scale to it at her peak.
- Superman and Darkseid blatantly scale to Trigon. Trigon stated clearly that he wanted to kill Darkseid. Trigon also didn’t need a vessel to fight darkseid as seen later on in the fight, why would he voluntarily enter an “Ants” body to fight someone he hates so much, why he’d rather drag both Darkseid and himself into a “nowhere void” just to try and kill him if he could just one shot him in base ? In their fight they’re constantly matching each other blow for blow with them having an even clash and them being evenly matched in a heat vision battle with Trigon only win in due to having 4 eyes as opposed to two, even while possessing Superman, once again proving they’re evenly matched. Darkseid is also able to trap Trigon with his omega effect into a ball, with Trigon needing to be freed by Constantine and Raven. Darkseid eventually starts losing due to the fact that he just ran a high diff gauntlet back to back to back, with his eyes being pierced, etc. and even then Trigon still doesnt kill him, showing because he can't. Superman also forcefully kicks trigon out of his body, lirerally burning away his essence on him.
- Apokolips War Darkseid and especially Superman are one shot tiers above their previous selves. Superman was one shot by Orm when had the trident of Poseidon on multiple occasions, with Batman confirming that the JL CANNOT beat Orm in a physical brawl after Orm solos the JL far easier than Darkseid ever did. Aquaman then gets this trident and should be on par with Orm, yet he is mid diffed by a less evolved Doomsday, even with help from other JL members, than the Doomsday that Superman eventually beat and to top it off, Darkseid one shots Aqauman in Apokolips War. This proves that them eventually scaling to Trigon later on isn’t an outlier or secular scaling.
Top Tiers scale to Motherboxes
As accepted by the wiki, Mother boxes are currently rated as high 6-A via being able to terraform the earth. But in addition to this Cyborg destroys apokolips with boom tube, which are made by motherboxes.Cyborg Superman, someone who should be weaker than full power Superman was able to rip out and destroy a Mother Box, and in addition to this Shazam was able to power a Mother Box proving that they scale to its power.
Orm can Surface Wipe the Earth
Orm is stated to be able to sink the surfuce earth, and as i mentioned above Doomsday and other chacarters scales to Aquaman with the Triedent. Sinking the earth according to our reference list is Multi-Continent level+, however it seems like Don'tTalkDT rejected the calc, if thats the case then we can just use the normal surfuce wiping calc, Multi-Continent level. To support this a bit more, in Flashpoint Aquaman is stated to have sunk most of europe.Superman can move the Moon
After Superman gets possesed and dips out Diana worries that he can "pull the moon out of the sky" which looks like a hyporable statement at first, but after she said that Batman stops mid sentence and asks Diana if Superman legit said doing something like that, implying he probably belives Supes can do something like that hence why he has to double check. This would give them a class Z raiting and can give multi-continent to moon level ap depending on a few assumptions, but it is not even necessary cause of the other feats.Top Tiers scale to Swamp Thing and Destiny
Destiny is powered by something called Dreamstone. Which is the most powerful conduit of evil making it above Raven and her crystal which physically overpowered Trigon. Swamp thing is the living embodiment of the earth and avatar of the green but still lost to Destiny after being physically restrained with telekinesis, meaning Destiny lirerally overpowered the planet, with John Stewart briefly scrapping with Destiny and showing relativity, in addition Swamp Thing is also seen being damaged by Paradooms as well as not being able to defeat them in time before the Reapers destroy the earth.Flash powers the Apokolips generator
After the attack on Apokolips failed, Darkseid killed and tortured most of the heros and used some of them as slaves with Flash being one of them. To stop Darkseid Lois Lane devices a plan that the Apokolips generator could destroy the planet if it went critical based of the intel Lex Luthor gave her, however it is then revealed that the Apokolips generator was actually Flash himself meaning Barry was generating enought power to blow up Apokolips.Lanterns stops Anti-Monitor
Anti-Monitor, with his Anti-Matter wave/blast is shown busting planets. Tomorrowverse John Stewart, alongside 12 Lanterns creates a wall and completely tanks this attack, meaning he was putting at least 59.44 Zettatons/13=4.57230769231 Zettatons of force or Small Planet level, this is probably a lowball for John considering he was able to defeat Paralax Hal who had like 10 Lantern rings and Hal was stated to be the greatest Lantern, a statement later said to John. So John was most likely carrying that team when stopping the blast. The scaling between DCAMU and Tomorrowverse was already accepted in another thead so to summarise:Tomorrowverse John Stewart fights the same Constantine from the DCAMU, with this John Constantine being weaker than his DCAMU prime with him stating things like “still enough juice to pull off a clean up spell” or him saying “i’ve just remembered my name, my bag of tricks is not quite up to this”, pointing to the fact that he was more capable at his peak during the DCAMU.
Small Ability/Resistance
Basically John Constantine should have a Death Manipulation spell and Darkseid should have resistance to it as John concluded this spell would only work on a baby Darkseid.Conclusion
Overall, i suggest a 5-B raiting for DCAMU as it has varies feats ranging High 6-A to 5-B and Flash’s having 2-C environmental destruction, with Superman possibly sharing this level. As for Tomorrowverse characters (currentl only supes has a profile) we can either downscale him and give him a "at most 5-B" or just scale him to John's low 5-B feat, i'm fine with both.Edit: This calc for mother box destroying Apokolips got accepted which would make the value they scale to 5-A instead of 5-B.
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