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Scaling Issues
Recently, Deltarune had some changes to its Chapter 1 top tiers, scaling them to enemies from Chapter 2. This was done after, allegedly, Spamton was confirmed to have lost a battle against Jevil, thus meaning that Jevil > Base Spamton. I have some issues with how this was treated, and don't think this upgrade makes much sense. Below, I'll go over what the evidence is, and what I wish to propose.
First thing to tackle is the issue of Jevil beating Spamton in a battle. While I can see how someone would have thought this, I do not believe this to be the case. Let's take a look at some dialogue;
When Kris asks Spamton "About You", he replies with this;
Spamton's full quote is, upon being shown a picture of Jevil:
Here's something Seam says;
As this was a point in the upgrade thread, I also wish to cover this, taken from the Spamton QnA, responding to if Spamton liked cats.
What's interesting is that, while secret bosses are not able to be recruited, Jevil has an unused Recruit screen stating his element to be Chaos/Chaos, as opposed to Tasque Manager (Who's element is Order), his counterpart, whom he also has history with. However, Jevil's Recruit screen is unused, and is therefore only supporting evidence.
Otherwise, it seems like Spamton is referring to Jevil, but this still doesn't mean that the two ever fought. He says to watch out for people who use Death/Scythe attacks, and that he has history with someone who uses them.
With this cleared up, my suggestion is simple, reverse the scaling between Jevil (and other Chapter 1 top tiers) and Base Spamton (and other Chapter 2 bottom tiers), as the evidence used to say they have fought is vague and rather flimsy. If a compromise is needed, perhaps add a "possibly" rating, acknowledging that, while vague, it could be considered a possibility.
7-B with Creation
The Lightners has differing ratings for this. Kris, Susie, and Berdly have "likely 7-B with creation", while Noelle has "possibly 7-B with Creation". This needs fixed, likely with just changing Noelle's "possibly" to a likely. Berdly also needs this in his Light World key, as the others do.
Though, we know all Lightners possess this power, so why is is "likely" anyway? I'd suggest making removing the possibly rating, as it seems pretty clear that Cyber City is an average Dark World.
Kris (Light World): Athletic Human reaction speed
Kris effortlessly caught an apple being "launched" at them by Susie, who has "Athletic Human, possibly higher" LS. Seems worthy of an upgrade. Noelle's blog reads as follows:
Annoying Dog, without his car, creates and tanks an explosion identical to Lancer's, which was calced.
Some minor clean-up things
Kris (Light World): Multiple Selves, Social Influencing, and limited Dimensional Travel should be moved to their Light World key. They have the SOUL within them in the Light World, they shouldn't be any less charismatic (unless their ACTs are a power only granted by the Dark World), and they can enter Dark Worlds from within the Light World.
Kris (Chapter 1): Dimensional Storage should be moved to this key, as they were able to access their inventory there as well.
Susie (Light World): Limited Dimensional Travel should be moved to her Light World key for the same reasons as Kris
Susie (Chapter 1): Dimensional Storage should be moved to Chapter 1
Berdly (Light World): Needs Limited Dimensional Travel
Noelle (Light World): Needs Limited Dimensional Travel
To-Do List
Recently, Deltarune had some changes to its Chapter 1 top tiers, scaling them to enemies from Chapter 2. This was done after, allegedly, Spamton was confirmed to have lost a battle against Jevil, thus meaning that Jevil > Base Spamton. I have some issues with how this was treated, and don't think this upgrade makes much sense. Below, I'll go over what the evidence is, and what I wish to propose.
First thing to tackle is the issue of Jevil beating Spamton in a battle. While I can see how someone would have thought this, I do not believe this to be the case. Let's take a look at some dialogue;
When Kris asks Spamton "About You", he replies with this;
- I USED TO BE NOTHING BUT THE E_MAIL GUY, NOW I'M THE [[It Burns! Ow! Stop! Help Me! It Burns!]] GUY!
- [[Amazed at thi5 amazing transformation? You too can]] HAVE A [[Communion]] WITH [[Unintelligble Laughter]]
- SOON I'LL EVEN SURPASS THAT DAMNED [[Clown Around Town!]]
- BUT UNLIKE HIM I'M GONNA [[Shoot For the Sky!]] AND GET ON THE PATH TO ...
- [[The Big One]]
- I'LL GET SO. I'LL GET SO. I'LL GET SO. I'LL GET SO. I'LL GET SO. I'LL GET SO.
- [[Hyperlink blocked.]]
- HOLY [[Cungadero]] DO I FEEL GOOD ...
- HERE I AM!! KRIS!!
- BIG
- BIG,
- [[BIGGER AND BETTER THAN EVER]]
- HA HA HA ... THIS POWER IS
- FREEDOM.
- I WON'T HAVE TO BE | JUST A PUPPET | ANY MORE!!!!
- ...
- OR... so... I... thought.
- WHAT ARE THESE STRINGS!? | WHY AM I NOT [BIG] ENOUGH!? | It's still DARK... SO DARK!
- KRIS.
Spamton's full quote is, upon being shown a picture of Jevil:
- "DON'T SHOW ME THIS [fool] IN [clown's clothing]!!! ALL HE THINKS ABOUT IS [Games, Games, Games] WHILE I'M OUT HERE [Busting my @$$] INTO A [Sc3nt3d Candell]!!! EVEN IF I [Cheated] [(theoretically)] I NEVER [You're Winner] EVEN ONCE!!! ($#&*] HIM AND [$#&* the ketchup kids]!!!"
- "All he thinks about are games, games, games, while I'm out here busting my ass into a scented candle! Even if I cheated, theoretically, I never won, not even once!"
- OH, IT'S JUST A SIMPLE NUMBERS GAME. WHEN YOUR HP DROPS TO 0, YOU LOSE!
- [Susie] So that's the kinda game you wanna play, huh...? Then, I gotta warn you... You're dealing with a couple of sharks.
Here's something Seam says;
- "Soon, he began to see the world as a game, and everyone as its participants."
- "Reflecting on these old memories, I think, perhaps - I miss playing games with him."
- He... was a funny little man. Once, the court jester. I, the court magician.
- A friend...? Could I consider him a friend...? Perhaps, perhaps not.
- But he was the only one who matched me in the games we used to play.
- One day, he met a strange someone... and since then, he began to change.
As this was a point in the upgrade thread, I also wish to cover this, taken from the Spamton QnA, responding to if Spamton liked cats.
- YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT [Cats]!? WHAT AM I, YOUR [favorite search engine]!? FINE, I'LL GIVE YOU SOME [Free tool tips and funny animations!] HAVEN'T YOU HEARD OF [Elemental pairs]!? WITH AN [Valuable item], YOU CAN DEFEND AGAINST [Puppet/Cat], OR [Thunder/Light], [Dark/Star]... JUST WATCH OUT FOR THE [$#&*] THAT USE [Death/Scythe]!!! NEVER AGAIN!!!!
What's interesting is that, while secret bosses are not able to be recruited, Jevil has an unused Recruit screen stating his element to be Chaos/Chaos, as opposed to Tasque Manager (Who's element is Order), his counterpart, whom he also has history with. However, Jevil's Recruit screen is unused, and is therefore only supporting evidence.
- Chaos, chaos!? No, no! Order, order! Now get rid of that silly Devilsknife! [Devilsknife equipped]
- Chaos, chaos!? No, no! Order, order! Now get rid of that silly tail! [Jevilstail equipped]
Otherwise, it seems like Spamton is referring to Jevil, but this still doesn't mean that the two ever fought. He says to watch out for people who use Death/Scythe attacks, and that he has history with someone who uses them.
With this cleared up, my suggestion is simple, reverse the scaling between Jevil (and other Chapter 1 top tiers) and Base Spamton (and other Chapter 2 bottom tiers), as the evidence used to say they have fought is vague and rather flimsy. If a compromise is needed, perhaps add a "possibly" rating, acknowledging that, while vague, it could be considered a possibility.
7-B with Creation
The Lightners has differing ratings for this. Kris, Susie, and Berdly have "likely 7-B with creation", while Noelle has "possibly 7-B with Creation". This needs fixed, likely with just changing Noelle's "possibly" to a likely. Berdly also needs this in his Light World key, as the others do.
Though, we know all Lightners possess this power, so why is is "likely" anyway? I'd suggest making removing the possibly rating, as it seems pretty clear that Cyber City is an average Dark World.
Kris (Light World): Athletic Human reaction speed
Kris effortlessly caught an apple being "launched" at them by Susie, who has "Athletic Human, possibly higher" LS. Seems worthy of an upgrade. Noelle's blog reads as follows:
- WHATEVER it was, Susie must have thought she was getting made fun of, because she immediately just LAUNCHED the apple right at kris.
But, Kris, with their gamer reaction speed X) Held up their notebook like a shield and blocked it diagonally, bouncing it into the air...
And actually CAUGHT the apple.
...
Then took a bite out of it.
Annoying Dog, without his car, creates and tanks an explosion identical to Lancer's, which was calced.
Some minor clean-up things
Kris (Light World): Multiple Selves, Social Influencing, and limited Dimensional Travel should be moved to their Light World key. They have the SOUL within them in the Light World, they shouldn't be any less charismatic (unless their ACTs are a power only granted by the Dark World), and they can enter Dark Worlds from within the Light World.
Kris (Chapter 1): Dimensional Storage should be moved to this key, as they were able to access their inventory there as well.
Susie (Light World): Limited Dimensional Travel should be moved to her Light World key for the same reasons as Kris
Susie (Chapter 1): Dimensional Storage should be moved to Chapter 1
Berdly (Light World): Needs Limited Dimensional Travel
Noelle (Light World): Needs Limited Dimensional Travel
To-Do List
- Remove scaling between Jevil and Base Spamton, alternatively, add a "Possibly" rating.
- Add 7-B with Creation to Berdly's Light World key.
- Remove the "Possibly/Likely" rating from 7-B with Creation, alternatively, change Noelle's "Possibly" to "Likely"
- Kris: Athletic Human reactions
- Annoying Dog: 9-B physically
- Apply minor changes to Kris, Susie, Noelle, and Berdly