Dimensional Wall Low 1-C upgrade

[Mgebrat282]

In this thread I would explain why Dimensional wall in Dragon Ball would qualify for Low 1-C

Dimensional Wall in Dragon Ball

Dimensional Wall exist as a barrier between the living universe and alternate dimensions of the Living World, containing them in it so they won't interact with each other. Those alternate dimensions are big enough to crush the universe in mortal world.
Dimensional Wall isn't just "a wall" between this dimensions, but a space too, big enough to crush the universe of mortal world by its own, suggesting that it functions as a realm or space of its own rather than being a mere void.
It's backed up the fact that inside the dimensional wall exist a Dimension of strange swirling lights(it's stated to exist WITHIN it). This dimension of lights is separeted from space-time of other universes as it's stated to be beyond space and time(so the dimensional wall is separeted from other space-times too and can exist on its own as this dimension is just a part of dimensional wall), it was also stated to be extradimensional space and super-dimensional, which grants it INSIGNIFICANT 5D. Also the dimensional wall was stated in official site to be dimension with more than 3 spatial dimensions, so via it characters can warp to RoSaT.
In order for Dimensional Wall to contain these 4-dimensional universes—which are parallel to each other and do not interact regardless of expansion—it would require displacement along a higher-dimensional axis, namely an additional spatial dimension beyond the standard three. This would ensure that no matter how far these dimensions extend, they would never intersect or overlap(not including moments where Dimensional Wall was almost destroyed of course). It's futhermore proved by direct statements about additional spatial axis
Based on tiering logic, this would place Dimensional Wall at 5-dimensional (5D). However, it would not qualify as Low 1-C, as that would require proof that this higher spatial axis has significant extent. That said, there may be alternative arguments that could establish such significance and potentially justify a Low 1-C tier
Note:In Daizenshu Mortal World descibed not only as mortal universe, but as also other dimension since mortal universe is just a part of it.

Time Axis of Dimensional Wall

In the anime and manga, Buu makes a hole in the Dimensional Wall, and after a short amount of time, it repairs itself. However, there's a catch: the Dimensional Wall closes at the same time in both the universe and ROSaT(even humans could get out of the temple and see it close in Mortal universe the same way as characters in ROSaT) (which is shown twice), but time flows differently in each realm. In the universe, a day passes, while in ROSaT, a year passes. If this were the case with the Dimensional Wall, the hole would have closed earlier in the universe and remained visible in ROSaT. This suggests that the Dimensional Wall possesses its own temporal framework. Consequently, DImensional Wall must have an independent time axis, separate from and not governed by the temporal flow of mortal universe and parallel dimensions in Mortal World/realm.
This independent axis would generate an uncountably infinite number of snapshots of this 5D space, making it significant enough to qualify as Low 1-C. Consequently, the entirety of Dimensional Wall would scale to Low 1-C.
To summarize, Dimensional Wall is a realm that contains and separates multiple separated space-times, which establishes it as 5D. Additionally, it has its own independent time axis, resulting in an uncountably infinite set of 5D snapshots. This combination is sufficient to classify Dimensional Wall as Low 1-C.

Effect on cosmology

It would add additional dimensionality to already 5D Neutral Zone, as Dimensional Wall exist in macrocosmoses, that exist in Neutral Zone, which would make +1D to cosmology in all.

Scaling

It would make characters who scale to Buuhan's Vice Shoutr Low-1C

It would make characters from DBH and Xenoverse 8-D via upscaled cosmology

Vote:

Agree: @Hecky2222

Neutral: @Ultimuru

Disagree: @StarShooter80 @LuffyRuffy46307

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

My God

 

[Hasty12345]

My God

You called?

 

[Robo432343]

this seems fairly straightforward

 

[Hecky2222]

Agree with DR

 

[Ultimuru]

That makes me wonder how Vegito even knew about existence of alternate dimensions. Bulma was tutoring Vegeta about universe during timeskip?

Anyway, put me on neutral.

 

[StarShooter80]

We already had a CRT on this half a month ago made by you, why reopen a discussion when 3-4 months haven't passed yet?

Dimensional wall upgrade

In this thread I would explain why Dimensional wall in Dragon Ball would qualify for Low 1-C but first let me explain to you what does parallelism means Parallelism To properly discuss the Dimensional Wall, we first need to clarify what parallelism entails in a dimensional context. In...

vsbattles.com

In-fact, most of this thread is a copy paste of the previous one

• Red: Additional stuff not from the previous thread.
• Green: Reheated nachos.

All of it except just this segment you added:

It's backed up the fact that inside the dimensional wall exist a Dimension of strange swirling lights(it's stated to exist WITHIN it). This dimension of lights is separeted from space-time of other universes as it's stated to be beyond space and time(so the dimensional wall is separeted from other space-times too and can exist on its own as this dimension is just a part of dimensional wall), it was also stated to be extradimensional space and super-dimensional, which grants it INSIGNIFICANT 5D. Also the dimensional wall was stated in official site to be dimension with more than 3 spatial dimensions, so via it characters can warp to RoSaT.

Which, God sake lets just start.

This dimension of lights is separeted from space-time of other universes as it's stated to be beyond space and time(so the dimensional wall is separeted from other space-times too and can exist on its own as this dimension is just a part of dimensional wall),

Provide a translation, but we already count it as being a separate space-time anyways.

it was also stated to be extradimensional space and super-dimensional

The extradimensional scan is from dokkan so this doesn't even apply to the canon cosmology, and the Japanese raws of that should be checked, and as for the second one superdimensional has no real meaning (you also don't add a translation alongside that).

which grants it INSIGNIFICANT 5D. Also the dimensional wall was stated in official site to be dimension with more than 3 spatial dimensions, so via it characters can warp to RoSaT.

The article you're talking about is just a physicist giving their thoughts on how the world works, not anyone who has actually worked on the series.

Also your segment on the dimension of swirling lights is just reheated arguments and scans from a past thread of yours, with nothing new added on except for the small bit on the interview which we've already deduced as having zero reliability/authority on the series. Disagree and this thread should be locked for reopening a topic that hasn't passed the 3-4 month wait.

 

[Mgebrat282]

That makes me wonder how Vegito even knew about existence of alternate dimensions. Bulma was tutoring Vegeta about universe during timeskip?

I always thought it was Kami who told Goku about this stuff

Anyway, put me on neutral.

Done

 

[Mgebrat282]

The extradimensional scan is from dokkan so this doesn't even apply to the canon cosmology, and the Japanese raws of that should be checked, and as for the second one superdimensional has no real meaning (you also don't add a translation alongside that).

Dokkan can be applied to anime and manga as everything in DB shares the same worldview and practically everything official is canon(which was accepted), even by Toriyama, who says to get wild for Toyotaro and other people in Toritoyo interview

The article you're talking about is just a physicist giving their thoughts on how the world works, not anyone who has actually worked on the series.

"Ask the experts" in official site is a way to explain how things work in DB verse from the site. We can know it from how site says it's a "Must read for Dragon ball fans and how they dig deep into topics", by the fact they ask "Dragon Ball fans and professionals" and "well-versed in Dragon Ball lore." for "analyzing from scientific perspective", "shed some light" and explain "what kind of world is it", how they "tying everything back to Dragon Ball and those iconic scenes!", etc. Including the fact practically everything official is canon and those articals mean something on the official site, we can see they can be used for canon

 

[StarShooter80]

Dokkan can be applied to anime and manga as everything in DB shares the same worldview and practically everything official is canon(which was accepted), even by Toriyama, who says to get wild for Toyotaro and other people in Toritoyo interview

If you actually took your time to read the thread where this was applied games were entirely excluded, there's a reason we have another cosmology page for it entirely.

"Ask the experts" in official site is a way to explain how things work in DB verse from the site. We can know it from how site says it's a "Must read for Dragon ball fans and how they dig deep into topics", by the fact they ask "Dragon Ball fans and professionals" and "well-versed in Dragon Ball lore." for "analyzing from scientific perspective", "shed some light" and explain "what kind of world is it", how they "tying everything back to Dragon Ball and those iconic scenes!", etc. Including the fact practically everything official is canon and those articals mean something on the official site, we can see they can be used for canon

Just because it was official published that it can be used? What kind of logic is that? By that logic literally everything licensed in DBZ can apply to whatever canon, which of course doesn't work at all. I'm also well versed in Dragon Ball lore, that doesn't make me anymore credible than someone who isn't, same goes for that professor. They only ever refer to them as experts in certain fields and literally just "fans", giving their own theories on certain stuff, they hold no authority over the series at all.

 

[JustANormalPerson01]

wall was stated in official site to be dimension with more than 3 spatial dimensions, so via it characters can warp to RoSaT.

I'd like to mention that these scans aren't even talking about Dragon Ball world, but about the possibility of the Room of Time existing irl and how could it exist from the perspective of a scientific. Just take a look at the questions:

Is a warp like that something that could be created in the real-world?

Ohta: If there is a world above the three dimensions we live in, then warping is theoretically possible

-So if this research continues to make progress, we might be able to utilize warping in the real world at some point, and maybe there will be a day where there could really be a Room of Spirit and Time! I also wanted to ask you about how the Room of Spirit and Time has ten times the strength of Earth's gravity.

Or, hell, just take a look at the introduction of the article itself

So, even if the content was official and made by someone well-versed in DB lore, it doesn't matter because it isn't even talking about what OP is implying (i.e., Dimensional Wall), but about the possibility of a structure from the world of Dragon Ball existing in our real life world.

Tbh I don't know why you keep using these scans when I already told you in the general discussion thread this; but given you ignored that and added them to the crt anyway, I'll point it out here too.

 

[Qawsedf234]

In order for Dimensional Wall to contain these 4-dimensional universes—which are parallel to each other and do not interact regardless of expansion—it would require displacement along a higher-dimensional axis, namely an additional spatial dimension beyond the standard three. This would ensure that no matter how far these dimensions extend, they would never intersect or overlap(not including moments where Dimensional Wall was almost destroyed of course). It's futhermore proved by direct statements about additional spatial axis

To reiterate from last time, the Wall just needs to be 3D with a 4D axis to contain them. The temporal element is only added at the end, which is why it's +1. It being 3D.2 would let it hold an infinite number of 3D spaces, then when you add a time axis it becomes 3D.2+1 or 4D.2~ which would still let it hold an infinite number of 4D space times.

You would have to show that the entirety of the space-time is embedded within the realm physically, like with the Neutral Zone, where they're spheres containing the Macrocosmos existing within the same void space.

Your assumption is just going too far. You're thinking it must work like this:

• Universes: 3D
• Space-Time: 3D+1 or 4D
• Entire Space-Time is physically embedded: 4D
• Time dimension is added: 4D+1

In reality, it's this:

• Universes: 3D
• Dimensional Wall: 3D.2
• Space-Time: 3D+1
• Dimensional Wall Space-Time: 3D.2+1

A 2-A space contains a literal infinite number of Low 2-C spaces, but it's still not 5D because you don't need to be 4D to hold those universes unless the entire space-time itself is embedded within it as a physical quantity.

Even then, you've shown no evidence of why this would impact scaling in any capacity. The current Hyper-Timelines of Dragon Ball already account for a 4D+1 space with the Neutral Zone. The area you're talking about would at best, just be another 4D+1 space, which doesn't affect the 4D+2 Timeline scaling. Why? Because the Dimension of Swirling Lights isn't a transinfinite number. Even if they worked as you implied, that just means the Neutral Space is the 2-C version of Low 1-C, which isn't an upgrade for any single character.

Q: Why is Tier 2 split for individual structures and not Tier 1?​

A: For most of fiction, Tier 2 is the common endpoint or largest cosmological structure. Due to the volume of profiles that have this be the endpoint, splitting the 4D Cosmological structures was considered a better way to index profiles. With that said, almost all higher tiers follow the exact same standards as the Tier 2 ratings. To illustrate: if a character destroys three universes, they'd be rated at 2-C, while a character that has destroyed an infinite amount would be rated as 2-A. For Low 1-C all instances are put together, but there is still a power gap between them; so a character who's destroyed an infinite amount of fifth-dimensional universes would be superior to a character who's destroyed a singular fifth-dimensional space for the same reason why a 2-A character is superior to a Low 2-C character.

For this to work, you'd have to show that the Swirling Lights is spatio-temporally embedded within the Neutral Zone (which isn't possible).

isagree and this thread should be locked for reopening a topic that hasn't passed the 3-4 month wait.

That only applies if a thread is officially rejected. The last thread only had one disagreeing vote from a mod.

 

[Mgebrat282]

To reiterate from last time, the Wall just needs to be 3D with a 4D axis to contain them. The temporal element is only added at the end, which is why it's +1. It being 3D.2 would let it hold an infinite number of 3D spaces, then when you add a time axis it becomes 3D.2+1 or 4D.2~ which would still let it hold an infinite number of 4D space times.

You would have to show that the entirety of the space-time is embedded within the realm physically, like with the Neutral Zone, where they're spheres containing the Macrocosmos existing within the same void space.

Your assumption is just going too far. You're thinking it must work like this:

• Universes: 3D
• Space-Time: 3D+1 or 4D
• Entire Space-Time is physically embedded: 4D
• Time dimension is added: 4D+1

In reality, it's this:

• Universes: 3D
• Dimensional Wall: 3D.2
• Space-Time: 3D+1
• Dimensional Wall Space-Time: 3D.2+1

A 2-A space contains a literal infinite number of Low 2-C spaces, but it's still not 5D because you don't need to be 4D to hold those universes unless the entire space-time itself is embedded within it as a physical quantity.

Thank you for answer! But...why didn't you answer me when I directly asked you in messages about this before? And could you mention extradimensional part, please?

For this to work, you'd have to show that the Swirling Lights is spatio-temporally embedded within the Neutral Zone (which isn't possible).

Doesn't the fact that Dimension of lights's spatiotemporality is contained withing dimensional wall physical space:"With that momentum, space-time distorts, and the two of them are fighting within a cracked dimensional wall" as it was stated to be other dimension but completly inside of dimensional wall's space. Will this qualify for "You would have to show that the entirety of the space-time is embedded within the realm physically"?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Thank you for answer! But...why didn't you answer me when I directly asked you in messages about this before

I was on vacation for the last week and the half.

And could you mention extradimensional part, please?

Extra-dimensional by itself doesn't tell us anything. Especially since fiction regularly swaps between dimensions as alternate realms of existence rather than spatial axis.

Doesn't the fact that Dimension of lights's spatiotemporality is contained withing dimensional wall physical space:"With that momentum, space-time distorts, and the two of them are fighting within a cracked dimensional wall" as it was stated to be other dimension

They broke space-time and moved to the Dimension of Swirling Lights. But that doesn't mean its embedded within the Dimensional Wall spatio-temporally.

but completly inside of dimensional wall's space. Will this qualify for "You would have to show that the entirety of the space-time is embedded within the realm physically"?

No. Because you're not showing the tome element being subsumed.

 

[Xdsagecat]

We already had a CRT on this half a month ago made by you, why reopen a discussion when 3-4 months haven't passed yet?

Dimensional wall upgrade

In this thread I would explain why Dimensional wall in Dragon Ball would qualify for Low 1-C but first let me explain to you what does parallelism means Parallelism To properly discuss the Dimensional Wall, we first need to clarify what parallelism entails in a dimensional context. In...

vsbattles.com

In-fact, most of this thread is a copy paste of the previous one

• Red: Additional stuff not from the previous thread.
• Green: Reheated nachos.

All of it except just this segment you added:

Which, God sake lets just start.

Provide a translation, but we already count it as being a separate space-time anyways.

The extradimensional scan is from dokkan so this doesn't even apply to the canon cosmology, and the Japanese raws of that should be checked, and as for the second one superdimensional has no real meaning (you also don't add a translation alongside that).

The article you're talking about is just a physicist giving their thoughts on how the world works, not anyone who has actually worked on the series.

Also your segment on the dimension of swirling lights is just reheated arguments and scans from a past thread of yours, with nothing new added on except for the small bit on the interview which we've already deduced as having zero reliability/authority on the series. Disagree and this thread should be locked for reopening a topic that hasn't passed the 3-4 month wait.

I knew I wasn't schizo thinking I saw this crt before.

Following naturally.

 

[Xdsagecat]

Just because it was official published that it can be used?

Forget about DB specifically, but uh yes id think so? I can't see why we wouldn't.

 

[StarShooter80]

Forget about DB specifically, but uh yes id think so? I can't see why we wouldn't.

By that logic any official material regardless of its actual validity or canonicity can be used, which just creates issues where we have people with no authority have published articles about their theories on the official website, yeah it's official but their statements hold no ground.

 

[Mbpoops]

Deja vu?

 

[Xdsagecat]

By that logic any official material regardless of its actual validity or canonicity can be used, which just creates issues where we have people with no authority have published articles about their theories on the official website, yeah it's official but their statements hold no ground.

Ah yeah I can see that

 

[Mgebrat282]

I was on vacation for the last week and the half.

Ok then

Extra-dimensional by itself doesn't tell us anything. Especially since fiction regularly swaps between dimensions as alternate realms of existence rather than spatial axis.

"Extradimensional space" can mean only different dimension?

They broke space-time and moved to the Dimension of Swirling Lights. But that doesn't mean its embedded within the Dimensional Wall spatio-temporally.

But it was stated they fought WITHIN Dimensional Wall in the dimension of lights, so the dimension of lights exist WITHIN Dimensional Wall, doesn't it?

No. Because you're not showing the tome element being subsumed.

What is tome element?

 

[Mgebrat282]

By that logic any official material regardless of its actual validity or canonicity can be used, which just creates issues where we have people with no authority have published articles about their theories on the official website, yeah it's official but their statements hold no ground.

What do you mean by "validity or canonicity"? If you mean Toriyama, then he wasn't a valid source as he said that even work team of random DBZ game knew more about DB world than him and Daizenshu was more valid than him cuz he was forgetful. Even more, Toyotaro said that everything official is canon and fans decide what is canon. That's the reason why "Ask the Experts" on the site is listed as "Must read for Dragon ball fans"

 

[Ultimuru]

Toyotaro said that everything official is canon and fans decide what is canon.

He said everything is canon to him. And literally a line later he said it's not his role to decide what is or is not canon, which makes first line completely meaningless.

 

[StarShooter80]

What do you mean by "validity or canonicity"? If you mean Toriyama, then he wasn't a valid source as he said that even work team of random DBZ game knew more about DB world than him and Daizenshu was more valid than him cuz he was forgetful.

Him being forgetful does not make him any less of a valid source it's literally his story, him saying a dev team is more knowledgable than him does not translate to "they have a more authority over the series". The daizenshuu is of course a valid source, being a guidebook for the anime/manga and being approved by Toriyama, but Toriyama didn't even say it's more valid than him, just that he uses it as reference due to how forgetful he can be, which again does not mean it holds more authority than him.

As for why I included canonicity, that's in reference to just because something is official that doesn't automatically mean it's from a canon source, like that video game statement for dokkan, but you already think that stuff is canon because of a misinterpreted Toyotaro statement so why do I bother.

Even more, Toyotaro said that everything official is canon and fans decide what is canon.

He says to him specifically that everything is canon because he's seen it, and then says immediately after that it isn't his role to decide on that. That statement is just how he perceives the series personally, its not trying to be objective at all.

That's the reason why "Ask the Experts" on the site is listed as "Must read for Dragon ball fans"

The reason is because of an interview that came out after the fact? It being a must read just means that fans should check it out because they find it interesting nothing more.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

everything in DB shares the same worldview and practically everything official is canon

THAT'S NOT ******* "EVERYTHING". I KNOW IT'S NOT EVERYTHING BECAUSE THAT SECOND SCAN YOU HAVE LINKED—THE SCAN I PUBLISHED—HAS A LIST OF ALL OF THE THINGS BEING CONSIDERED CANON, AND DOKKAN BATTLE ISN'T INCLUDED IN IT.

 

[Qawsedf234]

"Extradimensional space" can mean only different dimension?

Extradimensional just means outside this dimension. By itself it's meaningless.

But it was stated they fought WITHIN Dimensional Wall in the dimension of lights, so the dimension of lights exist WITHIN Dimensional Wall, doesn't it?

You're doing what I said before:

Your assumption is just going too far. You're thinking it must work like this:

• Universes: 3D
• Space-Time: 3D+1 or 4D
• Entire Space-Time is physically embedded: 4D
• Time dimension is added: 4D+1

In reality, it's this:

• Universes: 3D
• Dimensional Wall: 3D.2
• Space-Time: 3D+1
• Dimensional Wall Space-Time: 3D.2+1

It existing within the Wall doesn't mean its embedded spatial-temporally. Dragon Ball, for this dimension, just lacks the evidence you would need to get this rating. The Neutral Zone being spatially 4D is a massive exception to the standards, it's nowhere near the norms.

tome element

I meant to write time element

 

[Mgebrat282]

As for why I included canonicity, that's in reference to just because something is official that doesn't automatically mean it's from a canon source, like that video game statement for dokkan, but you already think that stuff is canon because of a misinterpreted Toyotaro statement so why do I bother.

But you didn't say what do you consider canon and valid enough? If official and publeshed by Shonen jump(Shuesha) isn't valid enought, then what is? That's what I meant in "What do you mean by "validity or canonicity"?"

Him being forgetful does not make him any less of a valid source it's literally his story, him saying a dev team is more knowledgable than him does not translate to "they have a more authority over the series". The daizenshuu is of course a valid source, being a guidebook for the anime/manga and being approved by Toriyama, but Toriyama didn't even say it's more valid than him, just that he uses it as reference due to how forgetful he can be, which again does not mean it holds more authority than him.

I know that him saying something valid and something isn't is a case, but in case of dokkan he never said it was valid or not, and he will never beacuse, surprise, he is died. So what is the messurement of what is valid and canon, and what's not?

 

[Mgebrat282]

THAT'S NOT ******* "EVERYTHING". I KNOW IT'S NOT EVERYTHING BECAUSE THAT SECOND SCAN YOU HAVE LINKED—THE SCAN I PUBLISHED—HAS A LIST OF ALL OF THE THINGS BEING CONSIDERED CANON, AND DOKKAN BATTLE ISN'T INCLUDED IN IT.

Chozenshu was made in 2013, before dokkan and official site, even super, duh

 

[Mgebrat282]

He said everything is canon to him. And literally a line later he said it's not his role to decide what is or is not canon, which makes first line completely meaningless.

Well, he said that each fan decides what is canon or not for himself...

 

[StarShooter80]

But you didn't say what do you consider canon and valid enough? If official and publeshed by Shonen jump(Shuesha) isn't valid enought, then what is? That's what I meant in "What do you mean by "validity or canonicity"?"

Its a case by case scenario, if it's said by an author, or the company that holds the rights of the series, then it passes, a scientist who's a fan of the series that never worked on it before doesn't, even if he has a published page on the website giving his theories. I already explained the canon part so I'm not reiterating myself for you.

I know that him saying something valid and something isn't is a case, but in case of dokkan he never said it was valid or not, and he will never beacuse, surprise, he is died. So what is the messurement of what is valid and canon, and what's not?

That burden of proof is on you then, if the game was never approved to be canon by Toriyama, or a source that's also valid like say an official guidebook for the manga, then it's not canon.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Chozenshu was made in 2013, before dokkan and official site, even super, duh

Find a recent example of Dokkan Battle being accepted as sharing a worldview with the main canon, then.

 

[Mgebrat282]

Extradimensional just means outside this dimension. By itself it's meaningless.

Ok, thanks. Btw, what do you think about the "Also the dimensional wall was stated in official site to be dimension with more than 3 spatial dimensions, so via it characters can warp to RoSaT." part? I think it would be pretty helpful too

It existing within the Wall doesn't mean its embedded spatial-temporally. Dragon Ball, for this dimension, just lacks the evidence you would need to get this rating. The Neutral Zone being spatially 4D is a massive exception to the standards, it's nowhere near the norms.

I don't get it. What's the difference between Dimensional Wall and Neutral Space? I even wrote where there are identical and where different:
Identical: 1.Both contain(Neutral space - 12 universes. Dimensional Wall - atleast dimension of lights) and separete universes(Neutral space - 12 universes. Dimensional wall - mortal universe, altarnate dimensions and dimension of lights), so they won't interact and touch each other
2. Both of them are different spaces from universes they contain and separete
3. Both of them work as universes as their own
4. Both has independent time axis(
Time Axis of Dimensional Wall

In the anime and manga, Buu makes a hole in the Dimensional Wall, and after a short amount of time, it repairs itself. However, there's a catch: the Dimensional Wall closes at the same time in both the universe and ROSaT(even humans could get out of the temple and see it close in Mortal universe the same way as characters in ROSaT) (which is shown twice), but time flows differently in each realm. In the universe, a day passes, while in ROSaT, a year passes. If this were the case with the Dimensional Wall, the hole would have closed earlier in the universe and remained visible in ROSaT. This suggests that the Dimensional Wall possesses its own temporal framework. Consequently, DImensional Wall must have an independent time axis, separate from and not governed by the temporal flow of mortal universe and parallel dimensions in Mortal World/realm.)
Difference: only one - universes in dimensional wall weren't shown as bubbles like in Neutral Space, which doesn't do a thing as it could be interpritated the same way as those are just physical axises but not temporal

So what's the difference? Vibes?

 

[Ultimuru]

Well, he said that each fan decides what is canon or not for himself...

"Everyone can be a super! And when everyone’s super… no one will be."

-Syndrome 2004

 

[Mgebrat282]

"Everyone can be a super! And when everyone’s super… no one will be."

-Syndrome 2004

-Toyotaro

 

[Qawsedf234]

Ok, thanks. Btw, what do you think about the "Also the dimensional wall was stated in official site to be dimension with more than 3 spatial dimensions, so via it characters can warp to RoSaT." part?

This is a person trying to explain IRL how the mechanics of the room could work, but that doesn't mean its a Canon source and more importantly still does not make it Tierable. The RoSaT is to small for a rating and cracking space-time itself is already a 4D showings in a limited capacity. For this to mean anything you'd have tk show that the RoSaT is a spatial realm withjn the universe itself and not a pocket dimension for this to matter.

What's the difference between Dimensional Wall and Neutral Space?

The Neutral Zone has the following:

• There is space within the Neutral Zone between the universes
• The entirety of the Macrocosmos are embedded. With Zeno erasing a Macrocosmos in space-time while the other remain as they are within the space

The second is the bigger one. The fact that they inbabit the space and everything within them is shown to exist within that space, even when erased, is why the NZ counts as being spatially 4D. Containing things by themselves are done before a temporal axis multiplies the area in the first place, which is why the plus is there.

 

[Xdsagecat]

This is a person trying to explain IRL how the mechanics of the room could work, but that doesn't mean its a Canon source and more importantly still does not make it Tierable. The RoSaT is to small for a rating and cracking space-time itself is already a 4D showings in a limited capacity. For this to mean anything you'd have tk show that the RoSaT is a spatial realm withjn the universe itself and not a pocket dimension for this to matter.


The Neutral Zone has the following:

• There is space within the Neutral Zone between the universes
• The entirety of the Macrocosmos are embedded. With Zeno erasing a Macrocosmos in space-time while the other remain as they are within the space

The second is the bigger one. The fact that they inbabit the space and everything within them is shown to exist within that space, even when erased, is why the NZ counts as being spatially 4D. Containing things by themselves are done before a temporal axis multiplies the area in the first place, which is why the plus is there.

Kinda off topic but idk where to ask, can us check my latest q&a post? It has to do with a convo I think you had with AlipheeseXIV

 

[Mgebrat282]

There is space within the Neutral Zone between the universes

Doesn't the fact dimensional wall itself can crush universes tells us there is space within dimensionall wall between universes?

The entirety of the Macrocosmos are embedded. With Zeno erasing a Macrocosmos in space-time while the other remain as they are within the space
The second is the bigger one. The fact that they inbabit the space and everything within them is shown to exist within that space, even when erased, is why the NZ counts as being spatially 4D. Containing things by themselves are done before a temporal axis multiplies the area in the first place, which is why the plus is there.

Why doesn't the fact Dossl exist within dimensional wall mean it's embedded spatio-temporally? Like, in Broly movie it was destroyed and other universes/dimensions that dimensionall wall encompasses were okay. Isn't it the same as with neutral space?

 

[Qawsedf234]

Doesn't the fact dimensional wall itself can crush universes tells us there is space within dimensionall wall between universes?

The dimensional wall breaks down and lets other realities collide in Anime Canon, which causes the destruction.

Why doesn't the fact Dossl exist within dimensional wall mean it's embedded spatio-temporally?

Because it doesn't need to be. You have to prove it is, I do not have to prove it isn't:

Q: Are wiki-induced dimensions included in cosmology statements?
A: For indexing purposes, the cosmological structures in a work are assumed to be the bare minimum size required to adhere to both the source material and the tiering system. For example, a multiverse containing several or even infinite universes, is assumed to be a fourth-dimensional structure with an insignificant fifth-dimensional axis, as this is the minimum requirement to bridge the fiction's cosmology with our technical framework.

Bare minimum is 3D.X+1 not 4D+1. It can accomplish everything by just being 2-C.

Isn't it the same as with neutral space?

No. They are shown as 3D spheres in an infinite void and when Zeno erases universes completely the void itself still remains. Meaning it's holding them spatio-temporally and not just spatially. The Dimensional Wall does not have the evidence needed for the upgrades you want. Even if it did (remainder, it does not), this still would not result in an upgrade, since the Neutral Zone can just be a bigger 4D+1 and still contain everything.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

I disagree with that crt.

 

[Slav]

I don't see where the 1-C scaling is backed by the scans. At best it's just higher into the 2-C tier

 

[Mgebrat282]

The dimensional wall breaks down and lets other realities collide in Anime Canon, which causes the destruction.

In Daizenshu it was said to able to destroy it by itself:"Dimensional Wall isn't just "a wall" between this dimensions, but a space too, big enough to crush the universe of mortal world by its own, suggesting that it functions as a realm or space of its own rather than being a mere void."

Because it doesn't need to be. You have to prove it is, I do not have to prove it isn't:

Bare minimum is 3D.X+1 not 4D+1. It can accomplish everything by just being 2-C.

But wait, here it says:"
Q: Are wiki-induced dimensions included in cosmology statements?
A: For indexing purposes, the cosmological structures in a work are assumed to be the bare minimum size required to adhere to both the source material and the tiering system. For example, a multiverse containing several or even infinite universes, is assumed to be a fourth-dimensional structure with an insignificant fifth-dimensional axis, as this is the minimum requirement to bridge the fiction's cosmology with our technical framework."
But if there is a four dimensional dimension of strange swirling lights in Dimensionall Wall(3 spatial dimensions and 1 temporal), so Dimensional wall already is insignificant 5D, but I already understand that. That's the reason I was trying to prove the independent time axis:
"Time Axis of Dimensional Wall

In the anime and manga, Buu makes a hole in the Dimensional Wall, and after a short amount of time, it repairs itself. However, there's a catch: the Dimensional Wall closes at the same time in both the universe and ROSaT(even humans could get out of the temple and see it close in Mortal universe the same way as characters in ROSaT) (which is shown twice), but time flows differently in each realm. In the universe, a day passes, while in ROSaT, a year passes. If this were the case with the Dimensional Wall, the hole would have closed earlier in the universe and remained visible in ROSaT. This suggests that the Dimensional Wall possesses its own temporal framework. Consequently, DImensional Wall must have an independent time axis, separate from and not governed by the temporal flow of mortal universe and parallel dimensions in Mortal World/realm."

No. They are shown as 3D spheres in an infinite void and when Zeno erases universes completely the void itself still remains. Meaning it's holding them spatio-temporally and not just spatially. The Dimensional Wall does not have the evidence needed for the upgrades you want.

You don't see contradictions in your words? You say they were shown as 3D spheres(physical objects), but for some reason you conclude they are spatio-temporal. Also in the moment when Zeno erases universes he erased the entire timeline with Neutral Zone, so "the void" you're talking about isn't the Neutral Zone. I want to say you have strange double standards, where one is spatio-temporal spheres and the other one isn't spatio-temporal, even when it was stated to be outside of other space-times and so having its own 4D space-time(Dimension of strange swirling lights).