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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

Let's be honest Goku has no Win con against Mahito but damn you guys really managed to get that sh*t closed. Just saw Seth's Madara vs Sukuna video. It was the same sh*t
Domain expansion is so broken in cross verses debates.

I hope Toriyama or Toyotaro give Goku actual hax or hax resistance so we don't have to deal with sh*t like that anymore.
 
SirAlex09 said:
Let's be honest Goku has no Win con against Mahito but damn you guys really managed to get that sh*t closed. I hope Toriyama or Toyotaro give Goku actual hax or hax resistance so we don't have to deal with shit like that anymore.
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He really does though, speed unequalized goku would blitz the **** out of mahito before he ever knew anything happened, there is no argument of getting caught in his domain either, which leads to a hakai erasure. Speed equalized was the only way you could argue for mahito, even then goku still had better wincons. And goku has some cool hax thanks to hakai, and his speed is absurd which would help with most matches, but that's not the way it works here unfortunately.
 
TiltedFN said:
He really does though, speed unequalized goku would blitz the **** out of mahito before he ever knew anything happened, there is no argument of getting caught in his domain either, which leads to a hakai erasure. Speed equalized was the only way you could argue for mahito, even then goku still had better wincons.
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Too bad most of them are speed equalised. The same reason why fcking 2-C Hit lost to Obito on this Wiki lmfao
 
SirAlex09 said:
Yep he did ! XD Visit his profile. It looooks so ridiculous. But if you read all the arguments there is no way you can argue in Hit's favour while Speed is equalised
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TiltedFN said:
Probably because the speed equalized shit, hit solos the verse.
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"Speed Equalization Rules and Assumptions:​

Any speed equalized match, in which a major reason a character loses is due to having a disadvantage against some speed value they usually wouldn't have a disadvantage against, may not be added to profiles."
 
TiltedFN said:
what would goku's lifting strength be with all his transformations stacked
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Taking the highest available value as a baseline:
  • Base: 533,525.275 tons (Class M)
  • Kaio-ken: 1,067,050.55 tons (Class G)
  • Great Ape: 5,335,252.75 tons
  • Kaio-ken x20: 10,670,505.5 tons
  • Super Saiyan: 26,676,263.8 tons
  • Third Grade Super Saiyan: 266,762,638 tons
  • Super Saiyan 2-3: 266,762,638+ tons
  • Super Saiyan God: 133,381,318,750 tons (Class T)
  • Super Saiyan Blue: 6.66906594e+12 tons (Class P)
  • Super Saiyan Blue Kaio-ken: 1.33381319e+13 tons
  • Super Saiyan Blue Kaio-ken x20: 1.33381319e+14 tons
  • Ultra Instinct -Sign-+: 1.33381319e+14+ tons
 
SirAlex09 said:
Speed equalised wins shouldn't count. Because it's either speed blitz , AP gapping or outhax someone in these debates.
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Also hit wasn't 2-C at that time funny enough and didn't have interdimensional range, but yeah speed equalized matches are unrealistic, but it's the only way for matches to happen, so he wouldn't actually win, just with the conditions that were made.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Taking the highest available value as a baseline:
  • Base: 533,525.275 tons (Class M)
  • Kaio-ken: 1,067,050.55 tons (Class G)
  • Great Ape: 5,335,252.75 tons
  • Kaio-ken x20: 10,670,505.5 tons
  • Super Saiyan: 26,676,263.8 tons
  • Third Grade Super Saiyan: 266,762,638 tons
  • Super Saiyan 2-3: 266,762,638+ tons
  • Super Saiyan God: 133,381,318,750 tons (Class T)
  • Super Saiyan Blue: 6.66906594e+12 tons (Class P)
  • Super Saiyan Blue Kaio-ken: 1.33381319e+13 tons
  • Super Saiyan Blue Kaio-ken x20: 1.33381319e+14 tons
  • Ultra Instinct -Sign-+: 1.33381319e+14+ tons
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omg class p LS goku would be SOOO NICE, i would abuse that telekinesis on vs matches
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Taking the highest available value as a baseline:
  • Base: 533,525.275 tons (Class M)
  • Kaio-ken: 1,067,050.55 tons (Class G)
  • Great Ape: 5,335,252.75 tons
  • Kaio-ken x20: 10,670,505.5 tons
  • Super Saiyan: 26,676,263.8 tons
  • Third Grade Super Saiyan: 266,762,638 tons
  • Super Saiyan 2-3: 266,762,638+ tons
  • Super Saiyan God: 133,381,318,750 tons (Class T)
  • Super Saiyan Blue: 6.66906594e+12 tons (Class P)
  • Super Saiyan Blue Kaio-ken: 1.33381319e+13 tons
  • Super Saiyan Blue Kaio-ken x20: 1.33381319e+14 tons
  • Ultra Instinct -Sign-+: 1.33381319e+14+ tons
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And this isn't even taking in account the scaling chains of Dragon Ball to super
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Ignoring the possibly lethal 6 tons of 100g or the 20 kg/40 lb/10 ton/40 ton weights that encumber the main cast time and time again,
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I mean, I was just talking about having an LS multiplier using the transformations. So I think things would start with this 40 ton thing.

Furthermore, the Vegeta in the DBS manga is class M, but doesn't he also have difficulty lifting the few-ton robot?

Even if we only take into account the 4x of the SSJ that went from 10 tons to 40, there would probably still be an inconsistency.

But anyway, we have also been shown that ssj transformations increase the LS.

In this scenario or we have several calculations above 40 tons (which causes problems for Goku Boo Saga), isn't it appropriate for the author's death? I don't know.
 
Remember outliers are only apply to feats that would buff a verse. It can't possibly be that the writers just don't know how strong the characters they write are. And as we all know, we take every writer's word at 100% face value.
 
That's why Beerus should be Low 1-C via Hakai, he erased Dr. Mashirito out of existence and Dr. Mashirito survived numerous amount of narrative erasure.
 
Phsccarvalho said:
I mean, I was just talking about having an LS multiplier using the transformations. So I think things would start with this 40 ton thing.

Furthermore, the Vegeta in the DBS manga is class M, but doesn't he also have difficulty lifting the few-ton robot?

Even if we only take into account the 4x of the SSJ that went from 10 tons to 40, there would probably still be an inconsistency.

But anyway, we have also been shown that ssj transformations increase the LS.

In this scenario or we have several calculations above 40 tons (which causes problems for Goku Boo Saga), isn't it appropriate for the author's death? I don't know.
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vegeta just got stronger, his class M feat was after that, and then add the multipliers
 
Phsccarvalho said:
Furthermore, the Vegeta in the DBS manga is class M, but doesn't he also have difficulty lifting the few-ton robot?
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Auta Magetta weighs over 1,000 tons, and Vegeta's Class M feat is just under—948.144576 tons (Class K). Additionally, Vegeta performed said feat in the Galactic Patrolman Saga, as in way after the Tournament of Power, and way after the Zero Mortals Plan, and, thus, way after the Tournament of Destroyers.

Kale lifted Magetta above her head with one arm, and Gohan stalemated Kefla. Vegeta probably scales either way.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Auta Magetta weighs over 1,000 tons, and Vegeta's Class M feat is just under—948.144576 tons (Class K). Additionally, Vegeta performed said feat in the Galactic Patrolman Saga, as in way after the Tournament of Power, and way after the Zero Mortals Plan, and, thus, way after the Tournament of Destroyers.

Kale lifted Magetta above her head with one arm, and Gohan stalemated Kefla. Vegeta probably scales either way.
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Definitely.
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Auta Magetta weighs over 1,000 tons, and Vegeta's Class M feat is just under—948.144576 tons (Class K). Additionally, Vegeta performed said feat in the Galactic Patrolman Saga, as in way after the Tournament of Power, and way after the Zero Mortals Plan, and, thus, way after the Tournament of Destroyers.

Kale lifted Magetta above her head with one arm, and Gohan stalemated Kefla. Vegeta probably scales either way.
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so what do you think of multipliers being used?
 
Why Beerus Low 1-C EE is a Outlier:

1) Is it a big jump or drop in power? Yes
2) Is it a unique or exceptional incident? Yes
3) Is the event unexplained and unjustified? Yes
4) Does the event break the previously established power-scaling? Yes
5) Does the event break with the narrative of the work? DB and Dr. Slump aren´t from the same narrative, so it would be impossible
 
Nullflowerblush said:
Auta Magetta weighs over 1,000 tons, and Vegeta's Class M feat is just under—948.144576 tons (Class K). Additionally, Vegeta performed said feat in the Galactic Patrolman Saga, as in way after the Tournament of Power, and way after the Zero Mortals Plan, and, thus, way after the Tournament of Destroyers.

Kale lifted Magetta above her head with one arm, and Gohan stalemated Kefla. Vegeta probably scales either way.
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I understand, I'm not a reader of the manga, I just watch it from above.
 
GUYS, WE JUST GOT SOME HUGE LEAKS.

Next arc, Black Frieza travels to the Demon Realm, which is stated to be a realm transcending all dimensions and concepts, and later destroys it with a Dark Supernova. He then transcends the narrative and kills kills Tori-Bot, before, obviously, Goku unlocks Super Saiyan 4, then combines it with Ultra Instinct and Super Saiyan Blue, creating Azure Saiyan Instinct, a form so powerful that they had to have Antvasima come in and explain that it's canonically Boundless to casual readers.
 
RinneItachi said:
GUYS, WE JUST GOT SOME HUGE LEAKS.

Next arc, Black Frieza travels to the Demon Realm, which is stated to be a realm transcending all dimensions and concepts, and later destroys it with a Dark Supernova. He then transcends the narrative and kills kills Tori-Bot, before, obviously, Goku unlocks Super Saiyan 4, then combines it with Ultra Instinct and Super Saiyan Blue, creating Azure Saiyan Instinct, a form so powerful that they had to have Antvasima come in and explain that it's canonically Boundless to casual readers.
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bros tweaking 💀
 
RinneItachi said:
GUYS, WE JUST GOT SOME HUGE LEAKS.

Next arc, Black Frieza travels to the Demon Realm, which is stated to be a realm transcending all dimensions and concepts, and later destroys it with a Dark Supernova. He then transcends the narrative and kills kills Tori-Bot, before, obviously, Goku unlocks Super Saiyan 4, then combines it with Ultra Instinct and Super Saiyan Blue, creating Azure Saiyan Instinct, a form so powerful that they had to have Antvasima come in and explain that it's canonically Boundless to casual readers.
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True if huge
 
RinneItachi said:
GUYS, WE JUST GOT SOME HUGE LEAKS.

Next arc, Black Frieza travels to the Demon Realm, which is stated to be a realm transcending all dimensions and concepts, and later destroys it with a Dark Supernova. He then transcends the narrative and kills kills Tori-Bot, before, obviously, Goku unlocks Super Saiyan 4, then combines it with Ultra Instinct and Super Saiyan Blue, creating Azure Saiyan Instinct, a form so powerful that they had to have Antvasima come in and explain that it's canonically Boundless to casual readers.
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tier 11 db is now confirmed
 
If we do decide to use multipliers for lifting strength. I would suggest starting the scaling chain from a super feat, then adding multipliers from that. Since Goku struggled to move his body with 40 tons on it in base.

So we don’t have any outlier talk.
 
RinneItachi said:
GUYS, WE JUST GOT SOME HUGE LEAKS.

Next arc, Black Frieza travels to the Demon Realm, which is stated to be a realm transcending all dimensions and concepts, and later destroys it with a Dark Supernova. He then transcends the narrative and kills kills Tori-Bot, before, obviously, Goku unlocks Super Saiyan 4, then combines it with Ultra Instinct and Super Saiyan Blue, creating Azure Saiyan Instinct, a form so powerful that they had to have Antvasima come in and explain that it's canonically Boundless to casual readers.
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As a Toriyama friend i can confirm that everything in that sentence is true
 
RinneItachi said:
GUYS, WE JUST GOT SOME HUGE LEAKS.

Next arc, Black Frieza travels to the Demon Realm, which is stated to be a realm transcending all dimensions and concepts, and later destroys it with a Dark Supernova. He then transcends the narrative and kills kills Tori-Bot, before, obviously, Goku unlocks Super Saiyan 4, then combines it with Ultra Instinct and Super Saiyan Blue, creating Azure Saiyan Instinct, a form so powerful that they had to have Antvasima come in and explain that it's canonically Boundless to casual readers.
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https://vsbattles.com/threads/goku-world-of-darkness.162548/ 🥶
 
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