Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Oh yeah, a restaurant fighting scene, i love that type of fight.

Too

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

nice goku daima render in the beginning

I hope it makes enough money to last a long time, I want to see this work talking about Makai

 

[Magicomethkuon]

Goku Resistance, Gravity Manipulation

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Here's an addition that I think is straightforward.

 

[NishizumiShiho]

DBZ Kakarot's next DLC will be end of Z where Goku fights against Uub, it's pretty interesting that Goku in Kakarot experienced Battle Of Gods and Revival of Frieza so Goku's got to be insanely strong after so much time has passed



A trailer for Sparking Zero all about Goku and Vegeta's rivalry over the years has released and HOLY SHIT THE ANIMATION LOOKS SO ******* FLUID AND THE GAMEPLAY LOOKS LIKE AN ABSOLUTE BLAST, IT'S GOING TO BE AGONIZING WAITING FOR THIS GAME TO FINALLY COME OUT THIS YEAR

That EoZ Goku is definitely far above his EoZ from OG Z with God Ki and possible Super arc would get added as DLC in Kakarot.

 

[Accelerated_Evolution]

 

[NishizumiShiho]

But where is super 2

2050 when Musk finally landed people on mars

 

[NishizumiShiho]

I heard he's back, what a comeback.

 

[Ednaxel2]

But where is super 2

Just read the manga man

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

Daima looks fantastic, eagerly awaiting for it. Though it doesn't seem to be that good on the feats aspect.

 

[Ednaxel2]

Daima looks fantastic, eagerly awaiting for it. Though it doesn't seem to be that good on the feats aspect.

If we get better lifting strength and hax from it then I'll be happy

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

watch out y'all super saiyan multipliers might become worthless

 

[Ednaxel2]

The actual best Goku

 

[Ednaxel2]

watch out y'all super saiyan multipliers might become worthless

Why's that?

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

Why's that?

Apparently it violates VSBW standards like here

Multipliers without reliable statements Dragon Ball Super Saiyan Multipliers: Rejected due to never being stated in the actual series. Furthermore often seem to multiply in-universe power levels and not actual power. They often seem inconsistent, like for example the x2 SSJ2 multiplier turning a stomp around.

And that super saiyan would be an unquantifiable boost in power instead of anything quantifiable.

 

[Ednaxel2]

Apparently it violates VSBW standards like here

And that super saiyan would be an unquantifiable boost in power instead of anything quantifiable.

Before it wasn't accepted but later on it was thanks to Kaio-ken multipliers

Kaio-ken x20 Goku Kamehameha =< 50% Frieza < 2x - 100% Frieza < SSJ Goku (50x base)

 

[Ednaxel2]

It supports the statements for SSJ which is also stated numerous times

 

[Nullflowerblush]

-snip-

I mean... Toriyama did supervise the Super Saiyan multipliers.

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

I mean... Toriyama did supervise the Super Saiyan multipliers.

Someone should probably get rid of that note in multipliers page considering how accepted stuff drastically contradicts that note.

 

[The_Yellow_Topaz]

watch out y'all super saiyan multipliers might become worthless

Super already makes them worthless in the manga but y'all not ready for this conversation yet.

 

[Killerdrone123]

Also while we are at it can someone edit the cosmology blog note of db cosmology fully scaling to 2b and edit it with there are uncountable timelines instead

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

Super already makes them worthless in the manga but y'all not ready for this conversation yet.

Expand on this.

 

[The_Yellow_Topaz]

Apparently it violates VSBW standards like here

And that super saiyan would be an unquantifiable boost in power instead of anything quantifiable.

This note is stupid.

It implies denying a multiplier because it's too low is an appropriate approach, when it undeniably makes the form even a lower end than what it would otherwise be. Please someone get the SSJ3 multipliers back in the game.

 

[The_Yellow_Topaz]

Expand on this.

I can pick a plentitude of examples where Goku's Base Form and SSJ form barely made a difference. (In performance against the same enemy)

 

[BestMGQScalerEver]

This note is stupid.

It implies denying a multiplier because it's too low is an appropriate approach, when it undeniably makes the form even a lower end than what it would otherwise be. Please someone get the SSJ3 multipliers back in the game.

SSJ3 multiplier (like 400x?) would be lower than currently accepted 500x (unless this was reverted but im not up to date with this) afaik

 

[Ednaxel2]

Someone should probably get rid of that note in multipliers page considering how accepted stuff drastically contradicts that note.

Same for Raiden, its never stated in a guide that Ripper Mode increases his power multiples by 7x, the guide is only used to support the multiplier's validity

 

[Nullflowerblush]

I'd love to see aspects from the Galactic Patrol series beyond the Jaco manga be adapted into the modern age. I know an appearance from Sachie, or Zarid, or any of the main characters from Jiya is next to impossible, but the vampires, or the Mogans, or the Mil Clan might be cool.

 

[ChoursDropoff]

Daima looks fantastic, eagerly awaiting for it. Though it doesn't seem to be that good on the feats aspect.

To be fair it imagine they won’t show it off at the beginning if they’re any impressive feats. High tier Demons likely will get some good hax though. According to Toriyama he’s had more involvement with this series than any other before. (Excluding Z and the original series). He says that the story will have “richer world-building” which is what I’m most excited about I love world building.

 

[The_Yellow_Topaz]

SSJ3 multiplier (like 400x?) would be lower than currently accepted 500x (unless this was reverted but im not up to date with this) afaik

It's 4x SSJ2, which is 20x SSJ1.
It would be 4000x.

 

[Ednaxel2]

I made the thread for the multipliers

Multipliers page needs to be updated

Only a few examples need to be changed/altered First for Multipliers without reliable statements: Dragon Ball Super Saiyan Multipliers: Rejected due to never being stated in the actual series. Furthermore often seem to multiply in-universe power levels and not actual power. They often seem...

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[LuffyRuffy46307]

I'd love to see aspects from the Galactic Patrol series beyond the Jaco manga be adapted into the modern age. I know an appearance from Sachie, or Zarid, or any of the main characters from Jiya is next to impossible, but the vampires, or the Mogans, or the Mil Clan might be cool.

That would be really good, I saw Jiya's manga it's quite interesting

 

[RedReaper616]

It's 4x SSJ2, which is 20x SSJ1.
It would be 4000x.

I was under the impression that SSJ2 was 2x SSJ, not 20x. Unless the SEG Translation is off.

 

[The_Yellow_Topaz]

I was under the impression that SSJ2 was 2x SSJ, not 20x. Unless the SEG Translation is off.

We don't approve of the 2x multiplier because it's "too low to be true", which is stupid. Instead, we took a completely different multiplier for Grade 3, which is 10x according to The Legendary Manga guide, and used THAT to measure how strong SSJ2 is.

Perfect Cell is stronger than SSJ Gohan
Grade 3 Perfect Cell is 10x stronger than perfect cell
Super Perfect Cell is stronger than Grade 3 Cell
SSJ2 Gohan is 2x stronger than Super Perfect Cell.

Thus, SSJ2 Gohan is 20x stronger than SSJ Gohan by proxy. And we assume this is the same boost everyone gets from this form.

 

[Ednaxel2]

I was under the impression that SSJ2 was 2x SSJ, not 20x. Unless the SEG Translation is off.

We get the SSJ2 multiplier via:

SSJ Gohan < Cell < Powerhouse (Grade 3) Perfect Cell (>10x) < Super Perfect Cell < 50% SSJ2 Gohan < 100% Gohan (2x)

 

[Ednaxel2]

We don't approve of the 2x multiplier because it's "too low to be true", which is stupid. Instead, we took a completely different multiplier for Grade 3, which is 10x according to The Legendary Manga guide, and used THAT to measure how strong SSJ2 is.

Perfect Cell is stronger than SSJ Gohan
Grade 3 Perfect Cell is 10x stronger than perfect cell
Super Perfect Cell is stronger than Grade 3 Cell
SSJ2 Gohan is 2x stronger than Super Perfect Cell.

Thus, SSJ2 Gohan is 20x stronger than SSJ Gohan by proxy. And we assume this is the same boost everyone gets from this form.

aaaaaand you beat me to it

 

[The_Yellow_Topaz]

Dragon Ball: Tien and Co back to 5-C (But I win this time)

This is a re-attempt of this. And a direct refutation of this. I won't be too long, I'll objectively prove Tien should be 5-C and there is nothing y'all can do about it. EDIT: TL;DR: 23rd Budokai Yamcha is 5-C, despite having a power level of 177, so Tien with a power level of 180 should...

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I stopped playing around.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

SSJ Gohan < Cell < Powerhouse (Grade 3) Perfect Cell (>10x) < Super Perfect Cell < 50% SSJ2 Gohan < 100% Gohan (2x)

which, like, honestly should look like:

SSJ Gohan < Perfect Cell < Perfect Cell at Full Power < Powerhouse Cell (?x) < Revived Cell ~< SSJ Gohan at Full Power / 50% SSJ2 Gohan < SSJ2 Gohan (2x)

but that's just my opinion.

 

[Serlock_Holmes]

Dragon Ball: Tien and Co back to 5-C (But I win this time)

This is a re-attempt of this. And a direct refutation of this. I won't be too long, I'll objectively prove Tien should be 5-C and there is nothing y'all can do about it. EDIT: TL;DR: 23rd Budokai Yamcha is 5-C, despite having a power level of 177, so Tien with a power level of 180 should...

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I stopped playing around.

Thank you. That thread greatly displeased me. It was illogical.

 

[The_Yellow_Topaz]

which, like, honestly should look like:

but that's just my opinion.

Thaaat would be rejecting the Grade 3 multiplier, do you disagree with Cell's powerhouse being the same as Grade 3?

 

[Jaakor48]

Do we rank fpssj as equal to ussj or equal to normal ssj

 

[Ednaxel2]

Do we rank fpssj as equal to ussj or equal to normal ssj

Grade 1 = Grade 4