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We need a modern day guidebook this shit gets tedious lmfao
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Nope. Grade 4 was never stated to be stronger than Grade 1 expect for just one risky source iirc
No he doesn't.Trunks does say 'he increased his power without losing his speed!' which does imply it having at least a similar level of power increase to the muscle bulking forms as compared to Grade 1
Grade 4 is constantly referred to "Natural state of the Super Saiyan without any stamina loss"Was it ever stated to be as strong as Grade 1?
Yeah, the power of the regular Super Saiyan form doesn't drop because of stamina anymore, the very panel used in below this is Goku saying "regular Super Saiyan is best for now"
There's this statement in Daizenshuu 2 that says that Goku "Drew out the power of Super Saiyan to its limit". Make of that what you will.
And statements that Second and Third Grade draw the power of Super Saiyan beyond its limits.
There's this statement in Daizenshuu 2 that says that Goku "Drew out the power of Super Saiyan to its limit". Make of that what you will.
Third Grade and "mastered" are oxymoronic; the Power Stressed variants are explicitly an unnecessary physical power-up stack atop the original Super Saiyan form. For the form to be optimized, the excess fat needed to be removed.it would be better to introduce grade 4 as having all the powers of 3 without any debuff since it has been mastered imo
Goku's Base Form was stronger than Vegeta's, and Vegeta's Base Form was LEAGUES above his own Base Form when he fought 18.Ah i don't want to jump in but grade 4 is stronger than grade 1 vegeta got molly woped by 18 in his grade 1 but later he beat the shit out in super his super vegeta or grade 2 form same goes for grade 4 when goku was atleast contending with cell when vegeta got his ass kicked in grade 2 I dont think it has to do anything with stamina
"Nuh uh"Goku's Base Form was stronger than Vegeta's, and Vegeta's Base Form was LEAGUES above his own Base Form when he fought 18.
In fact, even Trunks before he was Grade 2 was considered a threat to Cell. You ignore the fact their base power increases every time they train like crazy, it's not stationary.
MSSJ Goku > 2x > Grade 3 Post-HTC SSJ Trunks > 10x > Grade 2 Post-HTC SSJ Trunks = Grade 2 Post-HTC SSJ Vegeta > Semi-Perfect Cell => Grade 1 Post-HTC SSJ Vegeta => Grade 1 Post-HTC SSJ Trunks >>> Imperfect Cell (Humans Absorbed) = 16 > 17 = Kami-Piccolo => 18 => Grade 1 SSJ Vegeta > SSJ Goku => Future 17 > 2x > SSJ Future Gohan ~ SSJ Future Trunks > Mecha Frieza > SSJ Namek Goku > 1.25x > Final Form Frieza > 40x > Base Post-Zenkai Goku > Third Form Frieza > Nail-Piccolo = Second Form Frieza ~ Kaioken x10 Pre-Zenkai Goku > First Form Frieza > Kaioken x2 Pre-Zenkai Goku = Oozaru Vegeta > 2x > Base Pre-Zenkai Goku > 5x > Saiyan Saga Vegeta > Kaioken x2 Goku > 2x > Base Goku > Nappa > Piccolo > Gohan > Tien > Krillin > Yamcha > Saibamen > Chiaotzu > Raditz > 4yo Gohan (FP) > 3x > BoZ Goku (1/20th of Base Goku) > BoZ Piccolo > 23rd Budokai Goku ~ Piccolo Jr > 2x > King Piccolo Arc Goku = King Piccolo > 2x > 22nd Budokai Goku = 22nd Budokai Tien > Yamcha > 22nd Budokai Jackie Chun > Post-Korin Son Goku > 20x > BoS Kid Goku > x2 > Human
.... I think I went a bit overboard here. SO, MSSJ GOKU IS AT LEAST 1.280.000.000x STRONGER THAN A HUMAN's PL.... Oh wait, that's useless.
Never"Nuh u-"
SHUT IT!
Uh.....Third Grade and "mastered" are oxymoronic; the Power Stressed variants are explicitly an unnecessary physical power-up stack atop the original Super Saiyan form. For the form to be optimized, the excess fat needed to be removed.
It's difficult to gauge a power level for that, but the weakest possible character is SSG Goku (pre-SSG Ritual absorption) as his base form right at the end of the fight is >2x his previous SSG selfI apologize if this is dumb question but at what power level does DBS get to universal?
Is there any blog explaining the power levels?It's difficult to gauge a power level for that, but the weakest possible character is SSG Goku (pre-SSG Ritual absorption) as his base form right at the end of the fight is >2x his previous SSG self
Given Goku's "sort of canonical" power level is 40 million by the time the Buu Arc starts, and thus his SSJ3 Power Level is 16 billion, it's probably somewhere above that value.I apologize if this is dumb question but at what power level does DBS get to universal?
That wouldn't be far fetched.Some mad lads do scale mui goku power level to 14.5 septillion iirc
New arc meteor mission is going on in mangaI have another question (just now getting into it), is DB heroes over yet or no and how many chapters are there?
I see thanks.New arc meteor mission is going on in manga
But 40 million is low-key canon.I have Buu base Goku at 16 million and BoG (Pre-God) at 20 million
From where?But 40 million is low-key canon.
That is if you don't consider Base Goku > Kaioshin >>> Frieza, who is 120 million
Son Goku (Base): 40,000,000 BP (Stronger than Yakon, who has 800 Kili. 1 Kili is 50,000 BP)From where?
Why? It's likely even higherBase goku just having 40 million battle power is just wrong
Yeah I meant that it should be way higherWhy? It's likely even higher
Yeah I meant that it should be way higher
^ But you said this.I have Buu base Goku at 16 million and BoG (Pre-God) at 20 million
different people^ But you said this.
SORRY, I'M DYSLEXICdifferent people
Dragon ball fan momentSORRY, I'M DYSLEXIC
It's in our natureDragon ball fan moment
This was already discussed here, the original japanese version doesnt says that Cell Max created a Black holeShould Cell have Black hole creation because of this?
What did it sayThis was already discussed here, the original japanese version doesnt says that Cell Max created a Black hole