Garou Vs Naruto

[Kin201]

Also how does the Kurama Avatar counter Durability Negation?

Because Garou's palms don't directly touch Naruto, but his Kurama Avatar?

 

[Cryo123]

Because Garou's palms don't directly touch Naruto, but his Kurama Avatar?

Then the shockwaves just pass through the avatar and hit him anyways...

 

[LordGinSama]

Because Garou's palms don't directly touch Naruto, but his Kurama Avatar?

And I fail to see how that equates into granting a resistance to durability negation that travels past material. Even if The Kurama Avatar "blocks" the shockwaves they'd just travel past the Avatar.

 

[Kin201]

@Cryo123 @LordGinSama But the shockwaves won't travel into his body that way. Garou's Durability Negation works by sending shockwaves directly into internal organs. He does that by placing his palms on their body. In this case, Kurama Avatar protects Naruto from that.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I just want to point out that Naruto himself has several layers of Analytical Prediction to the point that he can tell your every move several moves into the future while not even being able to see you thanks to KCM and Sage Mode with SPSM being better than both of those put together and then he stacks KCM on top of SPSM when he fights normally which gives him borderline Precog and he can fight Sasuke who can see his everymove several seconds in advance and add them to his own fighting style using his Sharingan and yet Naruto was able to land numerous hits on him. That being said, keep going.

 

[LordGinSama]

I don't think the term "layers." is appropriate to use for Naruto's Analytical Prediction. Layered Analytical Prediction is like Analytical Prediction that can bypass an aforementioned resistance to Prediction which last I recall Naruto doesn't have.

I also don't remember Nard's having anything close to future sight (actual temporal sight.). Also I thought Nard's only had one type of Analytical Prediction?

 

[LordGinSama]

@Cryo123 @LordGinSama But the shockwaves won't travel into his body that way. Garou's Durability Negation works by sending shockwaves directly into internal organs. He does that by placing his palms on their body. In this case, Kurama Avatar protects Naruto from that.

Nope

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I don't think the term "layers." is appropriate to use for Naruto's Analytical Prediction. Layered Analytical Prediction is like Analytical Prediction that can bypass an aforementioned resistance to Prediction which last I recall Naruto doesn't have.

I also don't remember Nard's having anything close to future sight (actual temporal sight.). Also I thought Nard's only had one type of Analytical Prediction?

Maybe layered wasn't the right word to use but he states that his Analytical Prediction gets heavily enhanced by Sage Mode, KCM and SPSM.

He can't actually see into the future, he's just so good at Predicting your movements that it seems like he can.

 

[Kin201]

Nope

What is the point of your scan? It is stated that Garou's fist needs to make contact with the body for the shockwaves to travel through their body and break their bones.

 

[LordGinSama]

What is the point of your scan? It is stated that Garou's fist needs to make contact with the body for the shockwaves to travel through their body and break their bones.

That's not true, the shockwaves happen every time Garou attacks with that technique. If Garou hits the Avatar the shockwaves travels past it and hit Naruto unless he dodges.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Even if the shockwave minimally touches the skin of the body, the damage extends to the entire body and automatically breaks every part.

 

[Kin201]

That's not true, the shockwaves happen every time Garou attacks with that technique. If Garou hits the Avatar the shockwaves travels past it and hit Naruto unless he dodges.

I didn't argue it won't pass through the avatar and hit Naruto. I'm saying that it won't travel through Naruto's body, thus not destroying his internal organs.

 

[LordGinSama]

I didn't argue it won't pass through the avatar and hit Naruto. I'm saying that it won't travel through Naruto's body, thus not destroying his internal organs.

Expect it would? If it LANDS on Naruto it's going through his body.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I mean even if it does destroy his organs, Kurama can just heal it instantly like when his Lung got completely Obliterated by Sasuke's Chidori back in part 1. Also, Kurama's Chakra is poisonous to those who touch it that aren't considered his allies.

 

[Kin201]

Expect it would? If it LANDS on Naruto it's going through his body.

It lands on the Kurama, lol, not Naruto's own body. What is so hard to understand?

 

[LordGinSama]

It lands on the Kurama, lol, not Naruto's own body. What is so hard to understand?

The shockwaves travel through Kurama since he doesn't have internal organs for them to damage. Naruto gets blown up from the inside, what's so hard to understand?

 

[theultimate5105]

The shockwaves travel through Kurama since he doesn't have internal organs for them to damage. Naruto gets blown up from the inside, what's so hard to understand?

Except it doesn’t just automatically find organs and attack them.
that is the equivalent of saying him using it on the air means that it will destroy the organs of everyone in the air

 

[Kin201]

The shockwaves travel through Kurama since he doesn't have internal organs for them to damage. Naruto gets blown up from the inside, what's so hard to understand?

See your own scan above, you're debunking yourself. The reason Bang lost was because Garou "made contact" with his chest, not because Bang was affected by the shockwaves that turned the surrounding stones to dust.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I mean even if it does destroy his organs, Kurama can just heal it instantly like when his Lung got completely Obliterated by Sasuke's Chidori back in part 1. Also, Kurama's Chakra is poisonous to those who touch it that aren't considered his allies.

^

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

^

Well, scan?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Well, scan?

Of which, his Regen or the fact that his Chakra is poisonous? They're both on his Profile.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Of which, his Regen or the fact that his Chakra is poisonous? They're both on his Profile.

Regeneration (Low-Mid; Regenerated in an instant after Sasuke pierced through his chest and right lung)

This?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

This?

Give me a sec to find it.

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

Here you go.

 

[LordGinSama]

Except it doesn’t just automatically find organs and attack them.

Doesn't need to be, as I said he can still target Naruto manually by targeting where he is.

that is the equivalent of saying him using it on the air means that it will destroy the organs of everyone in the air.

Total false equivalence right there, for one Garou can't target more than one foe, plus he needs to actively aim to strike the opponent. Two very different things.

See your own scan above, you're debunking yourself.

Not at all, you're the one who isn't paying attorney the context.

The reason Bang lost was because Garou "made contact" with his chest, not because Bang was affected by the shockwaves that turned the surrounding stones to dust.

With a "light graze." I.E little to no interaction, the attack barely hit him and still managed to do all of that. The shockwaves are quite literally what effected Bang.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Here you go.

I feel that this is not something done at will

But well, having all your organs destroyed is far more fatal than that

 

[Kin201]

With a "light graze." I.E little to no interaction, the attack barely hit him and still managed to do all of that. The shockwaves are quite literally what effected Bang.

The "attack" hit him but what hit him specifically? The "shockwaves" or "his fist"? If it is the latter, what is your point again?

 

[XSOULOFCINDERX]

I feel that this is not something done at will

But well, having all your organs destroyed is far more fatal than that

It wasn't at will, it's a passive effect of Kurama's Chakra.

 

[Cryo123]

I didn't argue it won't pass through the avatar and hit Naruto. I'm saying that it won't travel through Naruto's body, thus not destroying his internal organs.

I don't want to be rude, but this is basic 3rd grade physics, don't act like it isn't. If a shockwave hits you, of course it's going to continue on and pass through your body until it runs out of. That's how shockwaves travel in the first place, by carrying their energy through molecules/atoms, which shake and transfer that energy to all adjacent matter. For example, if I punch a solid wall, and you have your hands on it, the energy is still passing through the metal into your body. In this case, not much, you may only notice it on your fingers, but it's still made its way to your body.

Even if his "Chakra Body Shield" absorbed half of its energy, and prevented Naruto's heart from instantly imploding, it would still be doing internal damage if a noticeable amount of its energy managed to pass through the avatar.

And what happens when Garou evolves higher AP, so his shockwaves travel further with more impact? How does Naruto counter that? I mean he can dodge, until Garou evolves to be many times faster than him, and 1 shots him. Naruto has no real win conditions that Garou wouldn't just ignore or adapt to overcome.

 

[theultimate5105]

I don't want to be rude, but this is basic 3rd grade physics, don't act like it isn't. If a shockwave hits you, of course it's going to continue on and pass through your body until it runs out of. That's how shockwaves travel in the first place, by carrying their energy through molecules/atoms, which shake and transfer that energy to all adjacent matter. For example, if I punch a solid wall, and you have your hands on it, the energy is still passing through the metal into your body. In this case, not much, you may only notice it on your fingers, but it's still made its way to your body.

Problem, what atoms and molecules. Other then Air (which clearly does not carry the shockwaves to negate Dura) The Kurama avatar is pure energy

Even if his "Chakra Body Shield" absorbed half of its energy, and prevented Naruto's heart from instantly imploding, it would still be doing internal damage if a noticeable amount of its energy managed to pass through the avatar.

It would absorb a hell of a lot more, even if what I said did not apply

And what happens when Garou evolves higher AP, so his shockwaves travel further with more impact? How does Naruto counter that? I mean he can dodge, until Garou evolves to be many times faster than him, and 1 shots him. Naruto has no real win conditions that Garou wouldn't just ignore or adapt to overcome.

Narutos first move will one shot him

Doesn't need to be, as I said he can still target Naruto manually by targeting where he is.

Total false equivalence right there, for one Garou can't target more than one foe, plus he needs to actively aim to strike the opponent. Two very different things.

Naruto is in a Avatar hundreds of meters tall.
If he needs to actively aim he sure as hell isn’t hitting Naruto who can move around in his Avatar

 

[Cryo123]

Problem, what atoms and molecules. Other then Air (which clearly does not carry the shockwaves to negate Dura) The Kurama avatar is pure energy

Then how does it block anything? Either it's a highly energized matter, or solidified chakra, and can block things, or its made of energy and will do nothing in stopping Garou's fists. Your choice.

Narutos first move will one shot him

I swear if you're talking about the BFR which has been disproven in 5 different ways, my head will pop off lol.

It would absorb a hell of a lot more, even if what I said did not apply

I mean can we really prove that? But even then, that ignores my other point, when he evolves, the shockwaves will go further and hit harder. It only took Garou's knuckle grazing Bangs chest to one shot him in his first monster form. Kepp in mind Bang was physically comparable to Garou at the time.

Naruto is in a Avatar hundreds of meters tall.
If he needs to actively aim he sure as hell isn’t hitting Naruto who can move around in his Avatar

I mean Garou can just... fly. Or try to Extreme Fajin, (Is that what its called, might be the Great Power Attack), through the avatar into Naruto.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

the extreme fa jin's shockwaves literally traveled through the planet btw

 

[Cryo123]

the extreme fa jin's shockwaves literally traveled through the planet btw

Yeah, 5-10 meters of Chakra Matter <<<<<<<<<<<<< 10-20 kilometers of the Earth.

 

[Cryo123]

So yeah, I haven't seen a single compelling arument for Naruto winning, so I'm just going to cast my vote for Garou FRA.

 

[Epiccheev]

Garou also doesn't need direct contact to use Fa jin. Like how he threw Saitama theough the buildings and then blasted them, then explained the shockwave should have hit his organs.

 

[theultimate5105]

Then how does it block anything? Either it's a highly energized matter, or solidified chakra, and can block things, or its made of energy and will do nothing in stopping Garou's fists. Your choice.

Except chakra is energy yet it can block stuff, so no both Apply, by the way solidified chakra would not behave the same as conventional matter

I swear if you're talking about the BFR which has been disproven in 5 different ways, my head will pop off lol.

No Naruto in this key starts with Dura neg attacks.

I mean can we really prove that? But even then, that ignores my other point, when he evolves, the shockwaves will go further and hit harder. It only took Garou's knuckle grazing Bangs chest to one shot him in his first monster form. Kepp in mind Bang was physically comparable to Garou at the time.

Yes because shockwaves will disperse over hundreds of meters, and Naruto is not comparable to Garou at all, he is superior

I mean Garou can just... fly. Or try to Extreme Fajin, (Is that what its called, might be the Great Power Attack), through the avatar into Naruto.

Extreme Fajin is far below Narutos Dura, it won’t even damage the Avatar

 

[Kazuma_kuwabara]

Naruto talks and Garou becomes his new Sasuke

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Extreme Fajin is far below Narutos Dura, it won’t even damage the Avatar

Fa Jin is dura neg

 

[Epiccheev]

"I was just like you, Garou"

 

[theultimate5105]

Fa Jin is dura neg

Again Fa Jins Dura neg does’t help here