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if arceus tries to attack and then immediatly dies, then it does count i think, at least that was what was said in the naruto vs kratos thread
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Ghost Of Sparta vs A Pokémon Called God
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Dragonite007
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Yes, I think this count as incap
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isn't arceus immo 9 6D...
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I don't see how that changes anything
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I guess Kratos can't actually finish Arceus off
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He can, if he keeps kiling arceus forever thst counts as incap
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What are the votes?
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how does he do that
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He doesn't start with it.
In PLA, he was rewarding the protag by endlessly making challenges for them while inside some sort of dream space. Literally spamming summons, basically. But all of them are 4-D, so pretty worthless.
In the movie, he nukes stuff with sheer AP. Though the act of him merely waking up threatened everything from inside his realm (which we accept for 5-D range). Even so, he didn't intent on destroying everything. All he wanted was to punish humanity for betraying him.
In pokemon ranger, after using his telepathy to show the people why he was pissed, he fought them with more nuking and some forms of danmaku.
In MD, he mostly acted in the background. In Explorers, he saved the protags from some time paradoxes. In Super MD, he acted as a link between the world and the protags in order to communicate and aid in someway against Dark Matter, but didn't do anything of note.
Edit: Should be noted, while he doesn't start with EE nor any form of esoteric hax tbh, Sniper is right that he (ab)uses the Plates when he has them (shown primarily in the movie). However, the bs about layers is that. BS. So if Kratos resists the nulling aspects, he can straight up bypass Arceus' main form of defensive hax.
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5D durability ignoring hax
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So I may be looking at this weirdly, but it seems Kratos doesn't have resistance to spatial hax? He also doesn't have enough range nor dimensional travel. Can't Arceus just banish him to the distortion world/another of the infinite multiverses/his dreamworld realm/his dimension and be done with it?
Alternatively, Arceus becomes his incorporeal self and gains 2-A/Low 1-C range as well, which Kratos apparently doesn't have a way to affect.
Alternatively, Arceus becomes his incorporeal self and gains 2-A/Low 1-C range as well, which Kratos apparently doesn't have a way to affect.
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He does resist space-time manipulation, its just labelled in his Norse section I think. BFR would be an issue though.
The incorporeality isn't an issue. Athena was intangible even to his god self and that one could harm everything from souls to Type 1 Abstracts of Type 1 concepts. Yet Hope could kill her.
Range will be a pain yeah, if Arceus is still too big top affect.
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Both his GoW and Norse keys have it.
EDIT: NVM, it's in the P&A instead of Resistances, but his GoW key is already noted to possess all the Norse resistance stuff but stronger.
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If it was AP, yes, that would be a problem. But where there is conceptual damage, range doesn't matter much, especially if the other character doesn't have resistance to CM.
Conceptual damage works here just like a chain reaction because the concept is a whole.
It's like burning the tip of a piece of paper with a fire, and after a while, the fire spreads all over the paper and burns the paper.
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Dats not how it works, you need range feats or it just deals with whatever Kratos can reach.
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But the principle of conceptual manipulation is not like that.
So to claim this would be like a higher-dimensional concept cannot destroy a lower-dimensional plane because of a range.
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i disagree with the thread fra
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It's not that the incorporeality is an issue. Is that by becoming incorporeal, Arceus becomes Large Size as the unified stuff connecting everything in the verse, gaining 2-A/Low 1-C range. That's what Sniper was alluding to earlier in the thread with the light stuff.
So pretty much, Kratos will absolutely never put him down permanently cuz of his type 9, and eventually Arceus becomes big as fucc. Maybe BFR him. (Is not that ooc for Arceus to BFR, as that's what he did to Gratina when he started messing stuff up)
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Arceus has access to literal millions of 2-A multiverses, but the best place would be the distortion world, the reverse of normal reality, where even other 2-A traveling entities (Dialga) need help to escape from. The other option is his own personal dimension, which would require Low 1-C range to escape.
Yes
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Actually, if Arceus subjected Kratos to the Eternal Battle Reverie, would it be considered incon or incap in favor of Arceus?
The Eternal Battle Reverie is a dream dimension where Arceus just challenges someone to, as the name implies, eternal battle. Kratos will very easily beat every challenge, aside maybe a clone of Arceus himself, but the original Arceus just keeps creating more. For eternity.
The Eternal Battle Reverie is a dream dimension where Arceus just challenges someone to, as the name implies, eternal battle. Kratos will very easily beat every challenge, aside maybe a clone of Arceus himself, but the original Arceus just keeps creating more. For eternity.
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Isn't Distortion World then just another part of his body?
BFR is meaningless then, because it's picking up Kratos from one location on his being and putting him elsewhere on his body.
Full Verse Omnipresence and BFR don't exactly make sense.
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Considering this is still a battle of him and the 5-D avatar, I'd say incon. Kratos has Type 1 Immortality, Olympian level stamina which allows him to endure physical exertion for millenia and the ability to near immediately recover. Between that and the fact that each fight will be a oneshot for him, it'd just keep going on forever.
Also, Kratos is likely getting his conceptual Invulnerability back soon (since it had nothing to do with AP) which might change things here.
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Pretty sure that only applies to True Form Arceus
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You are thinking of The Heart. Arceus' body is the Llama, his incorporeal state can be turned off by manifesting a body.
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Yes, this is correct.
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I schnee
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Yeah, but while Kratos is subjected to that gor eternity, Arceus is just chilling. Watching, potentially even talking to Kratos during that and discussing things (he does that unironically).
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Also, isn't a distance BFR sorta meaningless with Kratos' speed? I mean the size will.still be a major problem but still.
This mental image sounds funny as hell.
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But yeh, that's why distortion world is best option, completely stops infinite speed dimensional travellers.
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so it's an incon now?
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Incon or Arceus bfr Kratos. That's how I see it at least.
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How can Arceus take Kratos via BFR? And what can arceus do against conceptual damage?Or I missing something?
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Arceus keeps popping up avatars, basically. He could instead become the 2-A/Low 1-C large size and omnipresent light that connects the multiverse, and thus Kratos may affect him all he wants, he will never completely destroy him as he lacks the range.
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Ehhh... I think I'll open a range revision...
But in this case, Arceus doesn't have much to take him.
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Oh yeah, about the BFR. To be banished to the distortion world is usually portrayed as a portal, basically. Arceus has infinite tries.
Either that, or dream manip into eternal battle reverie, which pretty much does the same. (Dreams are straight up alternate realities in pkmn)
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