Godzilla Monsterverse Up?

[ZeddKD]

This topic will be to put Godzilla MV at least well above his current level in this wikia. Going from star level to perhaps solar system level. Or at least the level of the planet for this Godzilla.
Credit to: @SupremacyShinnok and some other people.

The gamma radiation emitted by the Axis Mundi portals in the MonsterVerse is explicitly associated with high-energy astrophysical phenomena, such as pulsars and supermassive black holes (Complete declaration). This radiation is described as having a frequency of 30 exahertz (30 × 10^18 Hz), directly linked to extreme cosmic events, like particle acceleration in intense gravitational regions or matter fusion under extreme conditions.

The key to understanding the magnitude of this energy lies in the very nature of gamma radiation. Gamma rays, due to their high frequencies and short wavelengths, are generated in processes involving extremely high energies. They are commonly found in cosmic events such as supermassive black holes and pulsars, where particles are accelerated to relativistic speeds, releasing energy on the order of 10^44 to 10^47 joules. This is the energy level required to generate gamma radiation in such high-frequency ranges, like the mentioned 30 exahertz, which is characteristic of large-scale cosmic phenomena, such as radiation from supermassive black holes.

Although the origin of gamma radiation in the Hollow Earth in the MonsterVerse does not follow the exact physical process of black holes, the reference to these astrophysical events serves as an analogy implying energy of the same magnitude. This is evident by the direct association of 30 exahertz gamma radiation with extreme space phenomena, which generate gamma radiation at levels similar to those found in supermassive black holes. This association not only justifies but confirms that the energy released by the Hollow Earth portals is compatible with the magnitude of 10^44 to 10^47 joules—the same energy level found in events like particle acceleration in pulsars or radiation emission by supermassive black holes.

Therefore, the description of gamma radiation and its comparison with such powerful astrophysical events allows us to assume that the energy released by the Hollow Earth portals in the MonsterVerse is of a magnitude equivalent to the energy released by these cosmic events. This confirms that Godzilla's Atomic Breath, powered by this gamma radiation, releases an amount of energy in the order of 10^44 to 10^47 joules, aligning with the extreme energy levels typical of cosmic phenomena.

The Monarch's statement that Godzilla possesses "nature's most devastating weapon" is no longer limited to the planet. The Monarch series showed that the planet can release gamma-ray bursts found in pulsars and supermassive black holes in outer space. Thus, this statement is no longer restricted to the terrestrial realm. This is further reinforced when the author of the Godzilla novelizations states about this material and says that, in his opinion, it was not limited to man-made things but to nature itself, superior to the phenomena of the universe and space.

In the series itself, the portals are later identified as Gamma Ray Bursts which are described as events found only in supermassive black holes. This reinforces that the nature of the energy involved is not limited to generic gamma radiation, but rather belongs to the same class of cosmic explosions commonly associated with the most destructive events in the observable universe. So much so that when these absurd energy levels were detected, it was mentioned that physics was incomplete and theoretical physics was wrong.

Some of Godzilla's outstanding achievements: Here, Godzilla enduring an eruption of gamma rays. Here, he causes a distortion in space-time after opening a hole to the hollow earth in GvK. Which consequently overrides gravitational inversion and the Axis Mundis, where time is relative. Here, Godzilla easily defeated Ion Dragon, who also withstood the eruption of gamma rays. All of this reinforces the quote about Godzilla's superiority to nature, both for withstanding and overcoming these events, since gamma-ray bursts, radiation from super-massive black holes and gravitational inversions compared to the gravity of a black hole are all inside the hollow earth. And here, Godzilla releasing energy never before seen by the Monarch

And since there's a lot of material from the Legacy of Monsters series, it's worth pointing out that yes, it is canonical in the Monsterverse timeline.

 

[AyOgUyS]

The gamma radiation emitted by the Axis Mundi portals in the MonsterVerse is explicitly associated with high-energy astrophysical phenomena, such as pulsars and supermassive black holes. This radiation is described as having a frequency of 30 exahertz (30 × 10^18 Hz), directly linked to extreme cosmic events, like particle acceleration in intense gravitational regions or matter fusion under extreme conditions.

This is from Legacy of Monsters, right? If so, we need to address the canonicity of LoM before anything else.

The Monarch's statement that Godzilla possesses "nature's most devastating weapon" is no longer limited to the planet. The Monarch series showed that the planet can release gamma-ray bursts found in pulsars and supermassive black holes in outer space. Thus, this statement is no longer restricted to the terrestrial realm. This is further reinforced when the author of the Godzilla novelizations states about this material and says that, in his opinion, it was not limited to man-made things but to nature itself, superior to the phenomena of the universe and space.

In the series itself, the portals are later identified as Gamma Ray Bursts which are described as events found only in supermassive black holes. This reinforces that the nature of the energy involved is not limited to generic gamma radiation, but rather belongs to the same class of cosmic explosions commonly associated with the most destructive events in the observable universe.

"Godzilla's roar itself becomes nature's most devastating weapon" seems like a hyperbole to me. Dunno much abt the standards on WoG statements but they're only supported by statements that seem hyperbolic to me.

Anyway, I'm not all that knowledgeable on MV so correct me if I got sum of this wrong.

 

[Felipe_Walker16]

I agree, the Star/Solar System level is consistent for the verse.

This topic will be to put Godzilla MV at least well above his current level in this wikia. Going from star level to perhaps solar system level. Or at least the level of the planet for this Godzilla.
Credit to: @SupremacyShinnok and some other people.

The gamma radiation emitted by the Axis Mundi portals in the MonsterVerse is explicitly associated with high-energy astrophysical phenomena, such as pulsars and supermassive black holes. This radiation is described as having a frequency of 30 exahertz (30 × 10^18 Hz), directly linked to extreme cosmic events, like particle acceleration in intense gravitational regions or matter fusion under extreme conditions.

The key to understanding the magnitude of this energy lies in the very nature of gamma radiation. Gamma rays, due to their high frequencies and short wavelengths, are generated in processes involving extremely high energies. They are commonly found in cosmic events such as supermassive black holes and pulsars, where particles are accelerated to relativistic speeds, releasing energy on the order of 10^44 to 10^47 joules. This is the energy level required to generate gamma radiation in such high-frequency ranges, like the mentioned 30 exahertz, which is characteristic of large-scale cosmic phenomena, such as radiation from supermassive black holes.

Although the origin of gamma radiation in the Hollow Earth in the MonsterVerse does not follow the exact physical process of black holes, the reference to these astrophysical events serves as an analogy implying energy of the same magnitude. This is evident by the direct association of 30 exahertz gamma radiation with extreme space phenomena, which generate gamma radiation at levels similar to those found in supermassive black holes. This association not only justifies but confirms that the energy released by the Hollow Earth portals is compatible with the magnitude of 10^44 to 10^47 joules—the same energy level found in events like particle acceleration in pulsars or radiation emission by supermassive black holes.

Therefore, the description of gamma radiation and its comparison with such powerful astrophysical events allows us to assume that the energy released by the Hollow Earth portals in the MonsterVerse is of a magnitude equivalent to the energy released by these cosmic events. This confirms that Godzilla's Atomic Breath, powered by this gamma radiation, releases an amount of energy in the order of 10^44 to 10^47 joules, aligning with the extreme energy levels typical of cosmic phenomena.

The Monarch's statement that Godzilla possesses "nature's most devastating weapon" is no longer limited to the planet. The Monarch series showed that the planet can release gamma-ray bursts found in pulsars and supermassive black holes in outer space. Thus, this statement is no longer restricted to the terrestrial realm. This is further reinforced when the author of the Godzilla novelizations states about this material and says that, in his opinion, it was not limited to man-made things but to nature itself, superior to the phenomena of the universe and space.

In the series itself, the portals are later identified as Gamma Ray Bursts which are described as events found only in supermassive black holes. This reinforces that the nature of the energy involved is not limited to generic gamma radiation, but rather belongs to the same class of cosmic explosions commonly associated with the most destructive events in the observable universe.

I agree, the Star/Solar System level is consistent for the verse.

 

[AyOgUyS]

I agree, the Star/Solar System level is consistent for the verse.

I agree, the Star/Solar System level is consistent for the verse.

Are you knowledgeable with the MV by any chance?

 

[Felipe_Walker16]

Are you knowledgeable with the MV by any chance?

Not much, but I have contact with people who have a lot of knowledge about Monsterverse, and according to their arguments, it is correct.

 

[AyOgUyS]

Not much, but I have contact with people who have a lot of knowledge about Monsterverse, and according to their arguments, it is correct.

Ok. I'll stay neutral but I'll wait for more knowledgeable ppl to hop on this thread.

 

[Da3ggman]

in his opinion, it was not limited to man-made things but to nature itself, superior to the phenomena of the universe and space.

I’m overall neutral on the thread, but I’d watch out for this statement in particular, as it could possibly be considered a leading question.

Now, granted, I’m not saying it is, as I think the rule is sort of ill-defined at the moment, but just a heads up in case anyone else (or even a mod) mentions it.

 

[ZeddKD]

Isso é de Legacy of Monsters, certo? Se for assim, precisamos abordar a canonicidade de LoM antes de mais nada.

Yes, LoM is canonical and part of the timeline.

"O rugido de Godzilla se torna a arma mais devastadora da natureza" me parece uma hipérbole. Não sei muito sobre os padrões das declarações de WoG, mas elas só são apoiadas por declarações que me parecem hiperbólicas.

When Gregory said that he saw material describing Godzilla's roar (he roars when he throws the atomic breath) as nature's most powerful weapon, it was probably that. Gregory being the author of the novel, didn't disagree and even pointed out an idea that Godzilla would be superior to cosmic phenomena, and then when asked more directly about it, he agreed that Godzilla is superior to them. s I don't see how that would be hyperbole, but you could still say it's a metaphor. However, it has been shown in practice that it is not.

• Here, Godzilla enduring an eruption of gamma rays
• Here, he causes a distortion in space-time after opening a hole to the hollow earth in GvK. Which consequently overrides gravitational inversion and the Axis Mundis, where time is relative
• Here, Godzilla easily defeated Ion Dragon, who also withstood the eruption of gamma rays

All of this reinforces the quote about Godzilla's superiority to nature, both for withstanding and overcoming these events, since gamma-ray bursts, radiation from super-massive black holes and gravitational inversions compared to the gravity of a black hole are all inside the hollow earth.

 

[AyOgUyS]

Yes, LoM is canonical and part of the timeline.

Ok I'll trust that.

When Gregory said that he saw material describing Godzilla's roar (he roars when he throws the atomic breath) as nature's most powerful weapon, it was probably that. Gregory being the author of the novel, didn't disagree and even pointed out an idea that Godzilla would be superior to cosmic phenomena, and then when asked more directly about it, he agreed that Godzilla is superior to them. I don't see how that would be hyperbole, but you could still say it's a metaphor. However, it has been shown in practice that it is not.

• Here, Godzilla enduring an eruption of gamma rays
• Here, he causes a distortion in space-time after opening a hole to the hollow earth in GvK. Which consequently overrides gravitational inversion and the Axis Mundis, where time is relative
• Here, Godzilla easily defeated Ion Dragon, who also withstood the eruption of gamma rays

All of this reinforces the quote about Godzilla's superiority to nature, both for withstanding and overcoming these events, since gamma-ray bursts, radiation from super-massive black holes and gravitational inversions compared to the gravity of a black hole are all inside the hollow earth.

Welp I guess goji is solar system :/

 

[That_moron2]

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[Hellbeast]

This is spicy

I’d also note that Godzilla has comparable energy readings to the Hollow Earth core, the power source causing these near celestial phenomena

 

[ObberGobb]

I don't think its reasonable to assume that just because they are compared to certain cosmic phenomena that they are anywhere close in scale.

They are just comparisons, they are similar to but not the exact same thing as pulsars and black holes. You said it yourself, they do not function the same as real black holes, and you even use the word analogy. Nuclear bombs release gamma rays, just releasing gamma rays doesn't mean something is Star level in AP.

Nothing here indicates that they are anywhere near as powerful as pulsars or supermassive black holes.

Also the statement about Godzilla's atomic breath being nature's strongest weapon should be unusable for scaling. Its clearly just hyperbole unless backed up by specifics, it's ridiculous to act like the person saying that meant Godzilla was stronger than a black hole or something. "The pen is mightier than the sword" doesn't literally mean a pen is stronger than a sword.

 

[ZeddKD]

I don't think its reasonable to assume that just because they are compared to certain cosmic phenomena that they are anywhere close in scale.

They are just comparisons, they are similar to but not the exact same thing as pulsars and black holes. You said it yourself, they do not function the same as real black holes, and you even use the word analogy. Nuclear bombs release gamma rays, just releasing gamma rays doesn't mean something is Star level in AP.

Nothing here indicates that they are anywhere near as powerful as pulsars or supermassive black holes.

Also the statement about Godzilla's atomic breath being nature's strongest weapon should be unusable for scaling. Its clearly just hyperbole unless backed up by specifics, it's ridiculous to act like the person saying that meant Godzilla was stronger than a black hole or something. "The pen is mightier than the sword" doesn't literally mean a pen is stronger than a sword.

It's not just "comparison" - it's direct definition of energy type: in the series itself, the portals are later identified as Gamma Ray Bursts, described as events found only in supermassive black holes. This reinforces that the nature of the energy involved is not limited to generic gamma radiation, but belongs to the same class of cosmic explosions commonly associated with the most destructive events in the observable universe.

I used the word "analogy" to explain that these events in the MV do not have origins exactly like real-life origins, but they do have the same characteristics and magnitude. The portals are described as Gamma Ray Bursts. And in real science, GRBs are the most energetic events in the universe, releasing 10^44 to 10^47 joules in a few seconds. So it's not just "releasing gamma rays", it's releasing the type of gamma radiation found in GRBs, i.e. the highest known form of high-energy cosmic radiation.

Therefore, it is not because it releases gamma rays that it can be compared to the energy emitted by a nuclear bomb. The frequency scale specified canonically is the same as that of pulsars and supermassive black holes. The series itself makes it clear that the Earth is replicating cosmic-level energy: the series says that these portals release energy that is only found in pulsars and supermassive black holes - this excludes any ordinary source. See:

“These spikes are only found in pulsars, supermassive black holes from outer space.”


If it were just "normal gamma rays", there would be no reason to specifically cite these extreme phenomena as a comparable source. The quote reinforces that it is an equivalence in magnitude. The author of the Godzilla x Kong: The New Empire novelizations himself states that the energy levels observed exceeded what anything man-made could generate, and are directly associated with cosmic events.

This is not vague. The series identifies the portals as Gamma Ray Bursts, which are the most energetic events in the known universe, releasing up to 10^47 joules. The comparison with pulsars and black holes is not illustrative - it is descriptive. The narrative itself confirms that the energy of the portals is equivalent to that of these phenomena, which justifies the fact that Godzilla, by absorbing this energy, is operating at levels systemically comparable to Gamma Ray Bursts.

Godzilla himself is described thus:
"that whatever is here generates gamma radiation on cosmic levels." - this directly reinforces my point. They're not just saying that it's "similar", but that the radiation generated reaches cosmic levels, i.e. identical to those observed in phenomena such as GRBs, pulsars and supermassive black holes. So much so that Evolved Godzilla releases levels of energy never before seen by the Monarch.

 

[ZeddKD]

This is spicy

I’d also note that Godzilla has comparable energy readings to the Hollow Earth core, the power source causing these near celestial phenome

Clearly, I'd almost forgotten about it

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

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[1000TonsofFun]

I’m neutral for now, but I’d like to add another piece of evidence that being a page from the GVK novel that directly compares the gravity of a Vile Vortex to that of a Black Hole.

 

[Demon_Lord18]

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[ObberGobb]

Could someone do a calc for this? Like if the vile vortices are compared to black holes, how much energy would that be given their size?

 

[ZeddKD]

Could someone do a calc for this? Like if the vile vortices are compared to black holes, how much energy would that be given their size?

I don't think it needs to be calculated, as they generate the same amount of energy even though they are smaller in size. The quote itself says that these radiation peaks are only found in supermassive black holes, so you don't need to scale according to proportion and size

 

[ObberGobb]

I don't think it needs to be calculated, as they generate the same amount of energy even though they are smaller in size. The quote itself says that these radiation peaks are only found in supermassive black holes, so you don't need to scale according to proportion and size

It also says a planet's worth of gravity, so we know for a fact they aren't as massive as real supermassive black holes

 

[ZeddKD]

It also says a planet's worth of gravity

When you say that they are equivalent to the gravity of a planet, are you referring to this image? Because it's the only thing that mentions the word “planet”, and if you read it right, the image doesn't say that it's equivalent to the gravity of a planet, but rather the gravity of an entire planet reversed in a fraction of a second.

“A whole planet's worth of gravity reversed in a split second”

 

[ZeddKD]

This is spicy

I’d also note that Godzilla has comparable energy readings to the Hollow Earth core, the power source causing these near celestial phenomena

What is your position on this upgrade?

 

[CitRusReality64]

Bump

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looks good to me.

 

[CitRusReality64]

I'm neutral for now

 

[Arkansalter2]

This is pretty spicy. This wouuld put him at around Low 5-B+. Following.

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Looks good to me.

I agree with DarkDragonMedeus

 

[Felipe_Walker16]

An interesting topic, sorry for mentioning it, but I think another opinion from an Administrator would be great.
@LephyrTheRevanchist

 

[Oiguana2701]

I agree with this.

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

bump

 

[CitRusReality64]

@ZeddKD Zedd, could you add the Content Revision thread tag to this?

 

[ZeddKD]

@ZeddKD Zedd, could you add the Content Revision thread tag to this?

Added!

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

Added!

there's a misspell in Revision

 

[ZeddKD]

there's a misspell in Revision

Thanks for letting me know, I've corrected the little spelling mistake!

 

[Apotheosis69]

Quite neutral

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

bump

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

bump

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

An interesting topic, sorry for mentioning it, but I think another opinion from an Administrator would be great.
@LephyrTheRevanchist

Why me

This is further reinforced when the author of the Godzilla novelizations states about this material and says that, in his opinion, it was not limited to man-made things but to nature itself, superior to the phenomena of the universe and space.

This section includes a leading question, should be removed from the revision entirely. You also don't need it, frankly, the rest of the evidence speaks for itself.

As of now, I can see the merit of the upgrade, but am not an expert on these topics. Would like to see thoughts from @DontTalkDT @Executor_N0 @Migue79

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

bump

 

[1000TonsofFun]

One question, if the energy of the Vile Vortexes is supposedly equal to that of a black hole/gamma ray burst then shouldn’t that destroy the Earth since the energy is greater than Earth’s GBE?