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ThisRyukama said:I mean there's very little evidence for either side. I guess one could argue that MUI Goku's above Broly since Goku said Broly's strongest form might be above Beerus, whereas in that one magazine article Beerus himself says 3rd UIO might be above him. But then again Beerus never says this in the anime itself, one of the promos for DBS Broly states Goku's "close to god of destruction" and of course Goku has never felt Beerus's full power.
I sincerely doubt this. Jiren, while enraged, attacked Universe 7 in the stands in an attempt to prove a point; however, he hasn't ever been interested in dishonorable victory. He clearly has a set of ethics with regard to this sort of thing: he criticized Vegeta on the basis that his motivations for fighting were impure and that this was reflected in their battle, he cared enough to interrogate Goku's motivations in their second fight, and he was even hesitant to knock Goku out of the arena when MUI's time was up despite being able to easily do so. Hell, if Belmod hadn't ordered him to, he might've simply waited for Goku to recover to a point where they could resume their fight.JackJoyce said:I missed something important in Broly vs Jiren thread so mentioning it here. Jiren was extremely proud about his strength. If he gets beaten up by Broly he'll likely be desperate enough to destroy the planet suffocating Broly in space.
Just checked. This is right. Gonna check with Antvasima after grace.TheMasculineMineta said:I think it's 12 (goku) to 16 (broly) let me check vote count again.
I'm confused.Jimboydejuan12 said:got already Grace ends our yesterday?
I know, but SuperKamiNappa doesn't have them.Endless Astrograph Sorcerer said:If you mean to say that the grace ended yesterday, it's bad form to try and enforce a grace period that wasn't declared especially in a thread with over 100 comments where the vote count was ambiguous.
The count should be in OP and the names of the users who voted for each character should also be listed in parentheses next to the names of said characters, that way it's easier to confirm that the count is correct and users can easily look at the OP to see if they're listed as having voted for the character they intended to.
Vote Goku?Ryukama said:1. Universe 1 Kai's statement is just supplementary evidence on the fact that everyone can obviously tell that Jiren isn't putting his full power.
2. Again, Whis acknowledges that Jiren is far from full power.
3. If Whis knows that Jiren is far from full power, which he does, and he even thinks this super duper suppressed power is at least GoD level than why would he say that Jiren "perhaps even surpasses" a GoD? If Jiren putting little to no effort in his already GoD level, than Jiren undoubtedly surpassing a GoD.
4. Whis is just confirming the previous rumor of Jiren being above Belmod as true. He never once compares Jiren to Beerus in anyway.
5. Jiren was explicitly stated to have "finally been showing showing a hint of his true power" when fighting SSB and SSBE Vegeta. And this was after that Whis statement. So that means ToP SSB and SSBE Vegeta can now fight somewhat on par with a person who's above Beerus according to you. Narratively this really makes little sense.
Your interpretation of Whis's statement also has to assume that Goku just vastly overestimates Beerus's power for some reason, that he surpassed him a while ago just in just SSB, that Vegeta has also surpassed Beerus without this ever being mentioned and that 2 official pieces of promo material are also greatly overestimating Beerus for some reason. Mine is just going off the simple fact that Whis knows Jiren's holding back greatly, so he believes that Jiren would have to be this supposed mortal.
Could you list any of these sources?The 2nd Existential Seed said:in comparison to the novel, magazines, and several other sources that imply SSJ Gogeta and Broly were the Mightiest Warriors to be seen at that point and time.