HELLSING - General Discussion

[Phsccarvalho]

ok but what that gotta do with integra eating a cigarette

Nothing, it's just something I thought about saying when I saw it.

 

[Robo432343]

@Phsccarvalho do you remember this comment in that High 7-C downgrade thread?

So thought more about it.

If we apply the volume calculated by CloverDragon (stated number of lives absorbed + average blood of IRL humans) on a cylinder, I don't think we'll be able to get a significant radius. Depth of 50 cm gives a radius of 105.56 m, and a depth of 1 m gives a radius of 74.64 m. Let's not get into building-level heights.
Of course the comparison is not perfect, since buildings will cause blood to flow into corridors instead of an open area, but even if we compensate by multiplying the volume by ten, the overall spread of the blood isn't that much.

So we will have to choice from three positions:

1. Blood reaching building-level altitudes is localized to small areas and happens briefly once blood gathers at the end.
2. Hellsing humans physiology contains a ginormous reservoir of blood compared to IRL humans.
3. We should ignore the statement about the number of lives Alucard absorbed.

I doubt there will be serious arguments for 2; the amount of blood will pop real humans like a balloon.
3 Can be argued for by 'Feats > Statements'. But it is easy to harmonize the feat with the statement; it will just yield a much lower result.

We agreed with option 1. How much does that change for the 7-C rating?

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

Nothing, it's just something I thought about saying when I saw it.

neat, but to say smth
I respect your opinion but I don't share the same sentiment
don't get me wrong, you are correct with the Writing, the Manga panels

but Alucard being the best vampire design is a straight up hot take/opinion, especially with the existence of ******* Castlevania, and their majestic outfits.

and relating to another take you sent a few pages ago, I respect your opinion again, but for me The Castlevania Netflix series is probably what I consider to be the definitive Vampire Anime (ok, The Netflix series is technically not an anime, but Anime means Animation in English and the Series is an adaptation of a Japanese game soo)

but then again this is coming from a gal who despite Hellsing being one of their favorite pieces of media

has Hellsing pretty low in my favorite medias tierlist, Lower than JJBA (which is understandable, like I dont think you can argue about this), Lower the Chainsaw Man (and alot of Fujimoto's work tbh), Lower than FNAF, heck ******* lower than TCOAAL (but this one is more of preference, not writing and stuff)

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Castlevania Netflix series

One of the worst things I have ever witnessed in my existence.

 

[Random-Helper323]

One of the worst things I have ever witnessed in my existence.

It came up with an interesting concept: vampires are afraid of right angles. That means the doorway and generic fences and walls should scare them. And we thought sunlight was an inconvenient weakness...

 

[Phsccarvalho]

It came up with an interesting concept: vampires are afraid of right angles. That means the doorway and generic fences and walls should scare them. And we thought sunlight was an inconvenient weakness...

It's not even a new concept; it's so much a rip-off that Warren Ellis took from an older book. Besides being stupid, this shit doesn't even make sense in the context of Castlevania.

It makes so much sense that Sam Deats complained about it once on Twitter, and they retconned it in Nocture. Just to show you the level of this series.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

It came up with an interesting concept: vampires are afraid of right angles. That means the doorway and generic fences and walls should scare them. And we thought sunlight was an inconvenient weakness...

 

[Phsccarvalho]

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[Random-Helper323]

It's not even a new concept; it's so much a rip-off that Warren Ellis took from an older book. Besides being stupid, this shit doesn't even make sense in the context of Castlevania.

It makes so much sense that Sam Deats complained about it once on Twitter, and they retconned it in Nocture. Just to show you the level of this series.

I was being sarcastic. I know it's a stupid idea.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

“This character was born long before I drew SING, and back then there was already a character who would serve as the prototype for Maxwell. As for Anderson, his prototype goes even further back—to the time when I was drawing erotic manga.

The final versions of the current characters were only completed at the very end, but when Father Anderson was finished and appeared, the structure of Section 13 was already fully established.

(Hirano) Without Anderson, Section 13 would never have become an organization capable of opposing the Hellsing agency. Each member on their own was far too weak. That’s why I thought of creating a character to stand against Alucard, and that’s how Anderson was born. Seen from that angle, Millennium didn’t have anyone who could be Alucard’s equal. I even considered placing the Captain in that position, but in reality the Captain isn’t all that strong. Even if he entered the Alucard vs. Anderson fight, I don’t think he’d have any chance of winning. Therefore, as a villainous organization, Millennium needed a leader.”

Apparently the captain is weaker than the base Alexander.

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

Apparently the captain is weaker than the base Alexander.

hmm since Seras was originally getting her ass kicked by The Captain and the her and the Captain's arm exploded during their punch that would mean...

RC=Base Anders>The Captain=True Vampire Seras

 

[Random-Helper323]

Apparently the captain is weaker than the base Alexander.

When he talks about the Alucard Anderson fight, he means their fight which the Captain stepped into and then backed out of, which was Monster of God Anderson.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

When he talks about the Alucard Anderson fight, he means their fight which the Captain stepped into and then backed out of, which was Monster of God Anderson.

What? No. He was talking about the character creation process in this section.

He talked about how Alexander and the 13th Section came about. How Alexander was created to be Alucard's rival, to be Alucard's counterpart in the 13th Section.

And then he says that Milenium didn't yet have a character to be Alucard's counterpart (the same way Anderson was), and that he considered putting the Captain in that role, but decided he wasn't strong enough. The Alucard vs. Alexander fight he mentioned is a general look at the two of them facing off, not the specific Alucard vs. MOG Alexander fight.

 

[Random-Helper323]

What? No. He was talking about the character creation process in this section.

He talked about how Alexander and the 13th Section came about. How Alexander was created to be Alucard's rival, to be Alucard's counterpart in the 13th Section.

And then he says that Milenium didn't yet have a character to be Alucard's counterpart (the same way Anderson was), and that he considered putting the Captain in that role, but decided he wasn't strong enough. The Alucard vs. Alexander fight he mentioned is a general look at the two of them facing off, not the specific Alucard vs. MOG Alexander fight.

The quote specifically says that he wouldn't get far if he stepped into the fight between Alucard and Anderson. When is the Captain present during a battle between them? Only at the end. Anderson became the Monster of God during that battle.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

The quote specifically says that he wouldn't get far if he stepped into the fight between Alucard and Anderson. When is the Captain present during a battle between them? Only at the end. Anderson became the Monster of God during that battle.

He's not talking about that fight.

He begins by explaining how he created Alexander to be Alucard's rival/counterpart in terms of power and that the Millennium didn't have that. He then explains that he tried to make the Captain take that place (the rival/counterpart position) but didn't do it (as he did with Alexander) because he wasn't as strong as those two. Then he explains that he wouldn't stand a chance if he got involved in a fight between Alucard and Alexander. He didn't mention any specific fight, just in general terms. Then on the next page, he explains how no one in the Millennium has comparable fighting power to Alucard and that no one in that group could be a rival to Alucard. The only one Alucard can call his archenemy is Alexander.

Furthermore, the Captain is only present at the beginning when Alucard arrives in London, and then the three in base form appear. The Captain only gives a kick and immediately flees. He only appears after the entire fight is over (Alucard and Alexander's initial fight in base form and then when they transform). He doesn't even participate in the fight when they're both in base form.

 

[Random-Helper323]

He's not talking about that fight.

He begins by explaining how he created Alexander to be Alucard's rival/counterpart in terms of power

Except that the two of them are explicitly not equal in terms of power. Alucard is very blatantly shown to be superior to Anderson.

He then explains that he tried to make the Captain take that place (the rival/counterpart position) but didn't do it (as he did with Alexander) because he wasn't as strong as those two.

Not exactly. Anderson was losing against Red Coat Alucard and needed the Nail, then got killed by Straitjacket. So if Anderson was his rival without the Nail, then he wouldn't have been hopelessly outclassed until he used it.

Then he explains that he wouldn't stand a chance if he got involved in a fight between Alucard and Alexander. He didn't mention any specific fight, just in general terms.

The wording used is "the" fight, not "a" fight.

Then on the next page, he explains how no one in the Millennium has comparable fighting power to Alucard and that no one in that group could be a rival to Alucard. The only one Alucard can call his archenemy is Alexander.

Except that Anderson by his own admission could never beat Alucard. Interestingly he did have a way of winning, briefly, when he had the Nail and destroyed Alucard's army. Otherwise, he was no rival at all. And for the Captain, we know Seras can hold back Anderson but the Captain can still fight her. In addition, Nail Anderson was the only one who could wipe out Alucard's army, making him clearly the only genuine threat to Alucard, but only with the Nail.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Except that the two of them are explicitly not equal in terms of power. Alucard is very blatantly shown to be superior to Anderson.

I didn't say they're 1:1 equals in terms of power, I said that Kouta said Alexander was created to be Alucard's counterpart and that unlike the others, even within the Millennium, Alexander is the only one Alucard can call his archenemy. Reinforcing that no one in the Millennium is at that level.

Not exactly. Anderson was losing against Red Coat Alucard and needed the Nail, then got killed by Straitjacket. So if Anderson was his rival without the Nail, then he wouldn't have been hopelessly outclassed until he used it.

It wasn't a normal Red Coat, he was literally using everything against Alexander, the level 0. He threw all his familiars at him.

Besides, the point isn't that Alexander is 1:1 in power to Alucard. But rather, as the author himself said, Alexander was the only character strong enough to be Alucard's archenemy, even within the Millennium, which he said was simply a one-sided battle for Alucard.

The wording used is "the" fight, not "a" fight.

It makes no difference what I meant. I meant the general battle between the two.

Except that Anderson by his own admission could never beat Alucard. Interestingly he did have a way of winning, briefly, when he had the Nail and destroyed Alucard's army. Otherwise, he was no rival at all. And for the Captain, we know Seras can hold back Anderson but the Captain can still fight her. In addition, Nail Anderson was the only one who could wipe out Alucard's army, making him clearly the only genuine threat to Alucard, but only with the Nail.

The point isn't that the two are literally equal in power. Besides, the author himself says in the interview that the only one who could be a archenemy to Alucard is Alexander.

Despite being the core of the group, they don't have enough fighting power to stand up to Alucard, which is a sad thing.
---Indeed, the only person Alucard recognizes as his "archenemy" is Father Andersen.
Hirano: Alucard didn't have much of a hard time against Millennium. He would pretty much beat him up one-sidedly, then just give him a pat on the back and it would be over. He was temporarily defeated by the Major's tricks, but in reality there wasn't any character in Millennium who could be called a rival.

The only thing Seras did was stop the blow from reaching her heart, and even then she would have basically died if Alucard hadn't awakened.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Aura

 

[Random-Helper323]

The problem with this is that this rivalry comment can be interpreted a few ways. It can refer to Nail Anderson, it can refer to Alucard's willingness to respect Anderson, etcetera. Given what we actually see, it is hard to take it the way you're doing right now and not have inconsistencies.

We see Base Anderson get wrecked by the Jackal, then we see Nail Anderson unaffected by the Jackal, then we see Straitjacket Alucard wreck Nail Anderson. And meanwhile we see Seras hold back Nail Anderson. So her being useless against base Anderson would be inconsistent. The fact that we also see base Anderson fight evenly with Red Coat Alucard who needed to transform into Straitjacket to beat Tubalcain also clashes with this interpretation that base Anderson is stronger than all of Millennium.

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

We see Base Anderson get wrecked by the Jackal, then we see Nail Anderson unaffected by the Jackal, then we see Straitjacket Alucard wreck Nail Anderson. And meanwhile we see Seras hold back Nail Anderson. So her being useless against base Anderson would be inconsistent. The fact that we also see base Anderson fight evenly with Red Coat Alucard who needed to transform into Straitjacket to beat Tubalcain also clashes with this interpretation that base Anderson is stronger than all of Millennium.

quick question, how do we downscale MOG to Straitjacket, since he was wrecked by Straitjacket, cuz Idk if we could downscale redcoat to his stronger self without explanation

 

[Random-Helper323]

quick question, how do we downscale MOG to Straitjacket, since he was wrecked by Straitjacket, cuz Idk if we could downscale redcoat to his stronger self without explanation

Straitjacket had some trouble against MoG when fighting through his vines and then tearing him apart.

Honestly, Red Coat seemed to have very little ability to fight MoG. I guess his guns sort of slowed him down, and meanwhile base Anderson could somewhat withstand the guns, albeit the Jackal really messed him up.

 

[Robo432343]

@Ms.Luzifer are you really postponing the scaling crt

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

do we wanna bring back the blood TK feat
i found an accurate calc

Hellsing and Saga of Tanya the Evil Calcs * Hellsing: *Alucard’s Mist: https://youtu.be/Bonz97dJOyU?t=655 Alucard makes a big entrance...

Hellsing and Saga of Tanya the Evil Calcs * Hellsing: *Alucard’s Mist: https://youtu.be/Bonz97dJOyU?t=655 Alucard makes a big entrance with fog that covers whole London. The fog is as tall as London Eye. London is 1572 km^2. Fog Volume= 1572000000 x 135= 212220000000 m^3 Liquid density of ...

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your ass is not making me check my Quora again

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

one day we will get High 1-B bullets

what the ****

 

[Random-Helper323]

one day we will get High 1-B bullets

... For Persona? Megami Tensei?

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

we will get High 1-B bullets via schrodinger one day

wtf

 

[Robo432343]

im trying to wank that walter feat to 7-C but its too hard

 

[Random-Helper323]

im trying to wank that walter feat to 7-C but its too hard

Where's your imagination? We need to get Schrodinger Large Size Type 8 (universal) for being everywhere at once (amazing how he can somehow still lose his book and be unable to find it) and then give Alucard 3-A power via sheer size. That'd also mean everyone comparable was also 3-A.

 

[Robo432343]

@Ms.Luzifer are you gonna make the CRT for Seras' new profile

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

@Ms.Luzifer are you gonna make the CRT for Seras' new profile

the profiles uses the High 8-C value and the Luke Valentine 9-B Feat, so I have to wait for the scaling chain stuff

 

[Random-Helper323]

The High 8-C should scale to Straitjacket Alucard, Dark Walter and Monster Anderson. That's blatant. For Red Coat Alucard and Base Anderson, we can somewhat scale the Jackal below the High 8-C since it could at least stagger Monster Anderson, and in turn base Anderson could withstand the Jackal somewhat, so they probably downscale.

Monster Anderson > Jackal > Base Anderson ~= Red Coat Alucard.

When it comes to feats of piercing Alucard with bullets and blades I'm inclined to call those PIS unless backed up by other signs of physical comparability, given that Alucard allows things to damage him including regular bullets, and meanwhile base Anderson is shown to be bulletproof to normal guns, and even Alucard's Casull is of limited use.

This would mean Luke and Rip wouldn't scale to Alucard. Tubalcain is a bit more uncertain.

 

[Robo432343]

is staggering anderson enough for it to downscale? it really didn't do much

 

[Random-Helper323]

is staggering anderson enough for it to downscale? it really didn't do much

It didn't do much, but it did make him recoil from the impact. Hence the downscale. Given that nobody else gets hit by the Jackal without severe harm, it's not contradicted.

 

[Robo432343]

What do we do about Tubalcain

 

[Random-Helper323]

Tubalcain is hard to measure. We'd have to look at whether he was able to block shots from the Jackal. Alucard didn't physically attack him until he transformed into Straitjacket, and that just became a stomp.

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

@Ms.Luzifer im going to make alucard vs adam

Classic Robo stomp match

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

im going to make profiles for diabolik lovers

I'm gonna ******* kill you.

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

stop, bro I don't won't those ******* on the wiki

 

[Robo432343]

im trying to add more hirano's works into this wiki like drifters

 

[Robo432343]

oh yeah
the scaling CRT