HELLSING - The Speed CRT

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

Currently Alucard's Profile links to a external calc from a external blog
so I transferred the calc to this wiki.

The Low End of the calc has been Accepted

So Alucard should get his rating change from high hypersonic+ to High Hypersonic, Both Alucard and Rip Van Winkle should link to this Calc instead of the blog,
Another thing
Alucard moved his entire body when catching the bullet

So this should also scale to their combat speeds.

Agree: @Crabwhale, @Mr. Bambu

Disagree:

Neutral:

 

[Random-Helper323]

I saw these in alot of threads about Hellsing but no one really did anything about it (Probably dead verse? I mean the Hellsing AP downgrade still isn't being added despite it apparently being accepted)

Two people who were involved are absent. I think I might be the only Hellsing supporter left.

Alucard is listed as High Hypersonic+ due to this Calc
However there are problems
1. It's in a external website, so we don't really know if this was accepted by a calc group member, since this was on a different website

That is pretty common. Although it's common to reuse the same calculation and make it into a VSBWiki blog.

2. it has two ends, Mach 33 (High Hypersonic) and Mach 109 (Massively Hypersonic) both of which aren't High Hypersonic+

The lower one might have been at some point.

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

Two people who were involved are absent. I think I might be the only Hellsing supporter left.

That is pretty common. Although it's common to reuse the same calculation and make it into VSBWiki blog.

So should I try just transfering the og calc into a Wiki Blog and try to get it evaluated?

The lower one might have been at some point.

I see

 

[Random-Helper323]

So should I try just transfering the og calc into a Wiki Blog and try to get it evaluated?

Maybe. We did that for a speed feat for Drakengard and it was accepted. Since it was just a redo of an existing calc as a blog we even got non calc staff members (admins) to look at it.

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

Maybe. We did that for a speed feat for Drakengard and it was accepted. Since it was just a redo of an existing calc as a blog we even got non calc staff members (admins) to look at it.

alright I transfered it

I'll go try and get it evaluated now

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

Two people who were involved are absent. I think I might be the only Hellsing supporter left.

mind if I ask something

in this thread we were talking about the accepted thread that downgrades the verse's AP, and we were wondering what are the changes besides the High 7-C Downgrade

 

[Random-Helper323]

mind if I ask something

in this thread we were talking about the accepted thread that downgrades the verse's AP, and we were wondering what are the changes besides the High 7-C Downgrade

I'm not sure that thread even reached a proper consensus. It was actually agreed that a new thread should be made.

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

I'm not sure that thread even reached a proper consensus. It was actually agreed that a new thread should be made.

weird, cuz well in the thread where we were talking about the thread
someone said that the downgrade was pretty much accepted but they did say people can still make a new thread about it

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

bump

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

Low end got accepted

HELLSING - Rip Van Winkle's Bullets

vsbattles.fandom.com

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

I'm not sure that thread even reached a proper consensus. It was actually agreed that a new thread should be made.

I have a question, what was the reasoning for the Supersonic+ Speed Rating some characters have

for Jan and Walter's Reasoning It's due to I'm guessing Dodging Gunfire

However for characters such as Integra, their reasoning is that they intercepted an Attack from Alexander however Alexander on both Keys have Hypersonic+ (Alot of characters have that Speed rating with no calcs, srs whats with the lack of speed calcs,) with High Hypersonic Reactions (atleast they got that one correct)

why is that?

 

[Random-Helper323]

I have a question, what was the reasoning for the Supersonic+ Speed Rating some characters have

for Jan and Walter's Reasoning It's due to I'm guessing Dodging Gunfire

However for characters such as Integra, their reasoning is that they intercepted an Attack from Alexander however Alexander on both Keys have Hypersonic+ (Alot of characters have that Speed rating with no calcs, srs whats with the lack of speed calcs,) with High Hypersonic Reactions (atleast they got that one correct)

why is that?

I'd have to go over the profiles, but the obvious reason for me is that Integra can fight and beat the artificial vampires who can dodge gunfire.

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

I'd have to go over the profiles, but the obvious reason for me is that Integra can fight and beat the artificial vampires who can dodge gunfire.

so would integra intercepting an attack from Alexander be some sort of outlier?

edit: nvm I misread it

 

[Random-Helper323]

so would integra intercepting an attack from Alexander be some sort of outlier?

Hmmm...

That's tough. It does seem strange to scale her that high, given that it would place her above base Seras. It's been a while since we went over Hellsing's scaling, but basically I think we placed Alexander lower than a fair few other characters, given that he never fights Straitjacket Alucard until their final battle and that fight saw Alexander torn apart in a single strike. Even Red Coat Alucard seemed to be holding back against Alexander, more so than against the enemies from Millennium.

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

Hmmm...

That's tough. It does seem strange to scale her that high, given that it would place her above base Seras. It's been a while since we went over Hellsing's scaling, but basically I think we placed Alexander lower than a fair few other characters, given that he never fights Straitjacket Alucard until their final battle and that fight saw Alexander torn apart in a single strike. Even Red Coat Alucard seemed to be holding back against Alexander, more so than against the enemies from Millennium.

I feel like we need to address the whole speed scaling now, since the Transfered calc has been Accepted (the Low-end) so we can know who scales to who

 

[Random-Helper323]

If it was Straitjacket Alucard then only Dark Walter, Nail Anderson, the Captain and True Vampire Seras scale.

If it was Red Coat Alucard then all the aforementioned scale higher, and Tubalcain, Luke, base Anderson, and perhaps base Walter would scale.

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

If it was Straitjacket Alucard then only Dark Walter, Nail Anderson, the Captain and True Vampire Seras scale.

If it was Red Coat Alucard then all the aforementioned scale higher, and Tubalcain, Luke, base Anderson, and perhaps base Walter would scale.

so all of them would still be in the High Hypersonic ranges

so are we chalking up integra's Feat as an outlier?

 

[Random-Helper323]

I think we need to go over the actual scenes. It's been a while since I read or watched Hellsing, and the person who revised it has been inactive for months.

Firstly, the bullet catching scene, we need to know whether Alucard was in his Red Coat form or his Straitjacket form (the tight-fitting black clothes he changes into when he's serious), as that tells us who scales.

Secondly, Integra's reacting to Anderson. This is presumably her fight with him at the start, but if so Anderson was holding back and playing with her and Seras.

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

I think we need to go over the actual scenes. It's been a while since I read or watched Hellsing, and the person who revised it has been inactive for months.

Firstly, the bullet catching scene, we need to know whether Alucard was in his Red Coat form or his Straitjacket form (the tight-fitting black clothes he changes into when he's serious), as that tells us who scales.

Red Coat

Secondly, Integra's reacting to Anderson. This is presumably her fight with him at the start, but if so Anderson was holding back and playing with her and Seras.

Checked and uh I'm not good at reading personalities so idrk

 

[Random-Helper323]

Red Coat

I thought so, I just wasn't sure.

Checked and uh I'm not good at reading personalities so idrk

Based on his cockiness and also his more relaxed treatment of her later, I do suspect that he's playing with her, since this is right after he overwhelmed Red Coat Alucard and so he thinks he's casually humbling Hellsing's entire set-up.

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

I thought so, I just wasn't sure.

Based on his cockiness and also his more relaxed treatment of her later, I do suspect that he's playing with her, since this is right after he overwhelmed Red Coat Alucard and so he thinks he's casually humbling Hellsing's entire set-up.

I'm guessing the whole speed thing is covered now?

Cuz I'm planning on changing this CRT to add the Transferred calc on the OP and to fix Alucard's rating

 

[Random-Helper323]

I'm guessing the whole speed thing is covered now?

Maybe. That bullet feat is pretty consistently used for the verse, so it's definitely tried and true. With the new standards on reaction speed it might help the cast out more, since Alucard actually moved his whole upper body to snatch the bullet with his teeth, meaning it's a combat speed feat rather than just reactions.

Cuz I'm planning on changing this CRT to add the Transferred calc on the OP and to fix Alucard's rating

What else is involved here?

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

What else is involved here?

Nothing much really, just fixing Alucard's Speed Rating and linking the Wiki feat onto Rip Van Winkle and Alucard's Profile instead and on the verse page, Maybe talking about integra's intercepting Alexander's attack as an outlier (using your reasonings) and that's pretty much it

since the people speed scaling to Alucard just link to his profile nothing really changes for them

 

[Random-Helper323]

Nothing much really, just fixing Alucard's Speed Rating and linking the Wiki feat onto Rip Van Winkle and Alucard's Profile instead and on the verse page,

That's straight forward, although if anything the speed change also involves discussion about it being a combat speed feat.

Maybe talking about integra's intercepting Alexander's attack as an outlier (using your reasonings) and that's pretty much it

Not an outlier so much as Anderson clearly not taking her seriously. Same guy who sheared through hordes of vampires and bombarded Red Coat Alucard with bayonets suddenly stops in a sword lock with Integra, even though he's locking two blades against her one which means he can easily pull one free and attack her with it, kind of tells me he's taking it slow on purpose.

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

edited the crt

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

bump

 

[Crabwhale]

Seems fine, yeah.

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

ok, how many staff votes do I need?

 

[Crabwhale]

2.

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

bump

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

bump

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

bump

 

[Ruby_R_Dracula]

bump

 

[Random-Helper323]

2.

Hey, we only need one more staff member, so could we trouble you to tag a few mods, like maybe Glass, Medeus, a few others?

 

[Apex_Predator_GX]

Minor Bump

 

[Crabwhale]

Hey, we only need one more staff member, so could we trouble you to tag a few mods, like maybe Glass, Medeus, a few others?

Sure.

@Armorchompy @Mr. Bambu @KingTempest

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Yer

(This means "Yes, I approve, apply this post haste")

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Why would we need a high end?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

i thought all calcs need a high end for some reason idk why

The calc does have a high end, but no, it isn't necessary.