Kim having the Battle suit means that she has both Invisibility and Stealth Mastery, so she could just sneak up to Ladybug and use this to knock her out.Ladybug's hax is so broken in here what would Kim do against an hax that could grant an item to defeat the oppent, also Ladybug has magical luck i will send my proofs on that tomorrow
kim possible generally starts with punch in combat, mixing those both of them is not in her character always
reality warping is via to miraculous ladybug it's not combat applicable, it is a power to fix damage after the fight
Oh.
ye i also have a evidence about time travelling is useless against Ladybug's magical luck but it is too long to be an imgur gif
True, though if Ladybug decides to keep her distance instead of engaging in close combat then it's likely that Kim would resort to using this wincon.
Ladybug would start with yoyo attack from this distance also does kim have something to bypass her magical luck?
Ladybug's magical luck is just her using the Lucky Charm ability to give her an object that would help her in the current situation, so I think Kim arsenal is varied enough to be able to counter whatever it conjures up.
What? Marinette doesn't have any of that, and her lycj manip is just conjuring an object to help her win a battle in the current situation, so, it's not an instawin.
No it's not only Limited to lucky charm, as in the monarch clip he refers to her luck power when Marinette was about to get akumatized multiple times, her luck saved her from getting akumatized and she wasn't transformed at the moment, also Ladybug found out Gabriel's Secret identity, as in the clip Monarch asks Bugnoir how did she know about his secret identity and Bugnoir is saying " Luck, it's one of my power the other being is the cataclysm" and she didn't use Lucky charm in that scene tho
Nobody is saying it's an instant win but luck manipulation would save Marinette from loosing and will help Marinette to win in fight overtime
Ladybug doesn't have Supernatural Luck in her profile, and even if she did those examples only show her being lucky outside of combat so there's no way to tell if whether or not it would be helpful here.
Scans> profile, Ladybug's profile is way outdated even from season 3 her abilities are misssing i'm not even mentioning season 4 or 5, the examples ı've gave is literally happend because of her Supernatural luck Gabriel and Mari is clearly reffering this luck as her superpower, Robotsus a very ıntelligence akumatized villain even smarter than Ladybug, he did predict all Ladybug's and Cat Noir's possible wincons and he was prepared the reason why he lost is literally because of Ladybug's luck power there is no way that he couldn't analyze that moment's chance because the way he got defeated was literally nonsense which supports her luck power, When Marinette was talking about Gabriel's secret identity " Luck, from what i have Heard it's one of my superpower" she is reffering the start of fight which Gabriel said " it's only because of your ridicilous luck!" So these scenes are happend because of her Supernatural luck not because of random luck
So do you have scans for that?
Yes which ones do you want exactly?
The ones that show her being lucky.
Okay i will send it when i'm avaliable
There is luck in play that much I agree with, but so far these examples only seem to show like 1-10% luck at best while also showing 90-99% intelligence, since like I said Ladybug always has to figure out how to use her Lucky Charm items. So I'm not sure if this would even qualify for Supernatural Luck seeing as how luck doesn't seem to play that big of a role here.
Dw i have better scans than this like in the imgurs it was just a supporting evidence/example, Gabriel and Marinette reffering to this kind of luck as superpower and it is not reffering to lucky charm ability, like How Ladybug find out Gabriel's secret identity she literally said that she found it out because of her luck power, i will share my other scans when i'm avaliable
it's fine to discuss abilities in versus threads according to rules it's just we need to give scans which i'm doing it already
Yeah, as far as ı've said it is not a instant win but Ladybug would be protected by Supernatural luck and she would win when she calls out her Lucky charm most likely
Supernatural luck is not limited to lucky charm and if there is no possible wincons without Lucky charm kim won't be able to take the Lucky charm from Ladybug Via to Supernatural luck, and Supernatural luck has been showed that worked without Lucky charm like when she has found Gabriel's secret identity it was due to Supernatural luck according to bugnoir
She found out his identity when she saw Gabriel Agreste detransformed when she went to Nathalie's room in Episode 25. There was nothing supernatural about it. And she wasn't Bug Noire yet at that point
Then Ladybug should win this. Does Kim has a wincon that doesn't involve AP?
Monarch asked her how did she find out his Secret identity in the fight between hım and Bugnoir and she said "luck it's one of my superpower"
They say sleep manipulation+ invisibility but she has never used that mix in combat , Ladybug would likely attack with yoyo from that range tho
Ladybug's luck is so NLF that it's funny, you're putting it as "she'll win no matter what", which is not the case.
She has sleep manip, info analysis and with her battle suit she can go invisible and has instictivess réactions
Not to mention the lucky charm has failed or has been taken away multiple times. And sometimes Ladybug on her own is not enough no matter how much luck she has, like in Desperada, where Aspik used second chance more than 25,000 times and in all of them she captured Ladybug
How in character are the haxes she uses in her battle suits. Ladybug will likely use her lucky charm to give herself a better chance to win if she sees she can't hit Kim otherwise
If this is the case, then Kim’s impossible pickpocketing feat from her stealth mastery example could be of use here.
Kim uses her haxes a lot in the battle suit. Especially her forcefield which Shego couldn’t normally penetrate. They only said “Kim doesn’t use invisibility in-character” because the invisibility function was an upgrade the Battle Suit received in that episode — and that episode was also the last appearance of the Battle Suit. Given Kim’s frequent use of the knockout fragrance compared to her other equipment, it isn’t impossible to say she wouldn’t go for the combo.
How would she know if Kim’s knockout gas is disguised as lip gloss? And range advantage hasn’t ever been an issue for Kim considering her arch nemesis is a projectile spammer.
Shego's range is far lower than Ladybug whose yoyo can travel kilometers, so Ladybug's attack definitely outranges Kim. Considering Ladybug usually fights with the yoyo, I doubt she'll get close enough to Kim for her to use her gas. Though Ladybug would not know about it if it's disguised
Point being that it’s only one projectile, while Kim definitely has the acrobatic means to dodge it and close the gap quite easily, especially with the Battle Suit automatically moving her out of the way if she does get caught lacking + her forcefield.
