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What do you mean by “allow the sword to get the same rating as Anos”. Did you mean the other way around?
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High 3-A downgrade Anos
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No they are not narrative perspectives, again, it is from Anos perspective who is demonstrated not to be omniscient in the verse.
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It was a WN concern, but long ago we did not allow his perspective to absolute literal, because it has demonstrated that he is not omniscient in the verse.
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And he isn't saying this to wank his own sword, he is saying it to seriously present it's power in the narrative.
Anyway Dread, mark me and everyone else down for disagree.
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This isn’t a question of omniscience, it’s a question of how well he knows his signature weapon.
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Ngl this is pretty much saying that Enrico Pucci doesn't have Infinite Speed at peak because him accelerating to literally infinite levels of speed is NLF despite being said very clearly so from the stats explanation.
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Someone who is demonstrating or flexing his power does not mean he is presenting a narrative absolute perspective that he is never being wrong
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Someone knowing his sword does not grant an absolute say that can't be wrong as "narrative perspective".
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Of course, but it grants him knowledge of his sword’s abilities.
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Was it 1 statement? Only saw the 2nd part of the justification, didn't know it was the same for the first sentence. Don't matter either way since it was stated to destroy anything no matter how infinite it is. And logic being repeated multiple times.
It can destroy anything eternal or infinite, so it clearly does.
It isn't just distance if it clarifys both spaces and dimensions. And don't see how it references speed.
Also still think it's Tier 2 since I'm pretty sure time was stopped in the dimension, which Venuzdonoa should be able to destroy, which is a 4d construct.
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If I know my sword capabilities, it does not mean I can simply say any characteristics and it should be true as it is.
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You have yet to prove why his statement shouldn't be taken seriously.
As of now, it is blatantly obvious that he is saying this literally, not figuratively.
So please, you aren't going to provide evidence as to why Anos' statement is a hyperbole, update your thread to list all disagreements.
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No, but you can say characteristics that are. What reason does Anos have to lie about the sword that I’m pretty sure he’s wielded for eons, and has carried him at every turn? Much less in his own head.
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It is one single statement, hence my main point of this thread.
It never demonstrated in the series, at least not to volume 4.
Because it has been demonstrated after that? In the later volumes (which are not translated officially?)
Every MG fan agree it refers to speed and distance, rather mathematical dimensions.
I don't know what you are talking about.
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Because Anos is known for over-exaggerated talks in the verse?
Prove it
I will only add staff member's votes.
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Does not make it true? There were times where he could not do it.
No one claimed it is a lie, I am claiming that it should not be taken into face-value specially the "feats" he presented has nothing to with AP at all.
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i agree with dread
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Ah, so if it isn’t a lie, that means he’s being honest about it being able to destroy anything (within the verse), even infinite things?
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It never has mentioned this hence my point.
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It's in rather poor taste to disregard their votes completely, especially if they're bringing arguments to the table. Even if they're not what determines the thread's acceptance or rejection, it's good to index their opinions.
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He is not omnipotent, BadSystem, he even said that to himself while talking with Misha.
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Dread, do you know why we do not grant Tier 0 for Infinite Power statements, assuming those are literal?
Because the normal assumption is that, like everything else, the statement involves the lowest level of that thing for a safe end and avoid getting in NLF, in this case Aleph-0.
Like when for statements of being able to blow up a planet we assume that it's only baseline 5-B, as it would be NLF to assume it can blow up Saturn or the likes.
Your argument of "you can make him Tier 0 for this logic" does not make sense because higher dimensions were not even involved here, we just assume he can destroy Aleph-0 levels of stuff because that's the best you can argue for him based on showings, that's the entire thing.
Because the normal assumption is that, like everything else, the statement involves the lowest level of that thing for a safe end and avoid getting in NLF, in this case Aleph-0.
Like when for statements of being able to blow up a planet we assume that it's only baseline 5-B, as it would be NLF to assume it can blow up Saturn or the likes.
Your argument of "you can make him Tier 0 for this logic" does not make sense because higher dimensions were not even involved here, we just assume he can destroy Aleph-0 levels of stuff because that's the best you can argue for him based on showings, that's the entire thing.
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"No matter how infinite-" ...?
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Still pretty clearly defined. Unless there is a reason for Anos to exaggerate what the sword he made does, it's perfectly valid.
Don't care. It's still clearly defined.
Eh, still references both spaces and dimension, not just something that would indicate distance. In fact, it even talks about constructs made from magic as a whole.
Will drop this point for now since it's doesn't relate much to the downgrade atm. Though I thought what I said wa spretty clear, oh well.
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I mean the feats like destroying order which can cause the world to be destroyed should be feat and I know Anos did said he is not omniscient but it was in creation and he also said it clearly in destruction he is best so his statement regarding venzudonor destruction can easily be seen it is not just NLF.
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This is no limits' statement. It has never ever being demonstrated in the whole 4 novels (except in later volumes, which I don't mind if we bring high 3-A or low 2-C back)
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I fail to see how this is relevant. You don’t need to be almighty within the scope of your verse to destroy infinite stuff.
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Also, how does one apply NLF… in-verse? Anos didn’t say that Venuzboner can absolutely nuke anything but itself and if you’re not called Venuzboner it’s wraps, he thought plain and simple “it can destroy infinite things”
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Yeah, cause it's a statement. Which isn't ever contradicted by feats, like if Venuzdonoa showed an upper limit to its destructive power.
I feel like this thread forgets that direct statements can be used for tiering.
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Call me crazy but at this moment, I swear that I don't understand how MG thread operates, with the tons of downgrade thread that happened, back and forth topics, accusations that even some shit got reported in RVR.
Like @Phoenks said, some of you need to take a break from the forum, go touch some grass, take a pill or whatever. Avoid getting involved in things like this for now and come back with a clear mind.
Like @Phoenks said, some of you need to take a break from the forum, go touch some grass, take a pill or whatever. Avoid getting involved in things like this for now and come back with a clear mind.
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Which feats are you referring to, Planck? The ones that have absolutely nothing to do with AP?
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Hmm, seems I know from where you are saying it.
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Please, drop with the argument of (he never showed any contradicted feats) while all feats he presented has absolutely nothing to do with AP
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