Ichigo Speed

[HokageMangaVox]

I don't really care about them, as I said, as far as I'm concerned that's BS. You need to ask them, but right now, you using multipliers even while characters couldn't actively dodge attacks of Mach 500+ is the largest issue.

-.- But that was before this calc.And Ichigo could react to it by blocking it and evading it. Not been enable to see it are 20 bucks apart.

 

[Davy0]

I don't think he's getting the multiplier effect no matter what you say. I'll talk about the Multiplier DB crap later on. But don't expect to get anything with Bleach on that. First off, Yoruichi was talking about "power". Ichigo's main power isn't his speed, mistakened by popular belief, but basically firing a more potent version of Getsuga Tensho. Bankai, unless stated otherwise, don't increase one's physical abilities otherwise. I don't know who the hell thought they did, but they aren't that... smart? I don't know.


Either way, it increase his speed, but that was because of the condensed reiatsu which made it easier for him to move or whatever. It's not its main power.

 

[HokageMangaVox]

I don't think he's getting the multiplier effect no matter what you say. I'll talk about the Multiplier DB crap later on. But don't expect to get anything with Bleach on that. First off, Yoruichi was talking about "power". Ichigo's main power isn't his speed, mistakened by popular belief, but basically firing a more potent version of Getsuga Tensho. Bankai, unless stated otherwise, don't increase one's physical abilities otherwise. I don't know who the hell thought they did, but they aren't that... smart? I don't know.


Either way, it increase his speed, but that was because of the condensed reiatsu which made it easier for him to move or whatever. It's not its main power.

Is the speed. Byakuya stated that unlike most bankai which expand the spirit pressure of the user, ichigo's is a compression of his spiritual pressure to allow for faster movements than even shunpo. Plus he has enhanced reflexes and movements. The getsuga tensho (the black energy blast) isn't actually a power of his bankai since he can do it in shikai. That's part of his hollow powers which is the Black getsuga tensho.

 

[Davy0]

Yes, due to the compression of spiritual pressure. It's not because of the bankai's power that it gives him speed. This means that while yes, his natural speed can improve, but it doesn't increase his stats or boost his speed, the condensation effect produces said effect. It doesn't give him enhanced reflexes, He already has those reflexes normally, he can just dodge it better and move quicker. Do you want me to tell you why it's not his power. The biggest fatal flaw about his ability that makes it not his own power?

The simple fact that the extreme speed effect doesn't naturally grow accustom to his body. So I'll explain what that means.

It means that thanks to the special trait of condensation, and thus less spiritual pressure it's of a similar effect to Aang's ability to increase his speed by decreasing the air resistance around him. Thus it increases his speed, but it doesn't "cushion" the amount of force that's generated in his movements so he's still capable of massively breaking every bone in his body through overuse. So you can't use that multiplier effect just because it's decreasing the spiritual density around him, you can't ten times an effect that's not his own effect. The False Bankai's true ability is only producing stronger Getsuga Tensho, a Bankai isn't supposed to hampen a characters ability to use it unless it has to do with their overall reserves.

 

[HokageMangaVox]

Yes, due to the compression of spiritual pressure. It's not because of the bankai's power that it gives him speed. This means that while yes, his natural speed can improve, but it doesn't increase his stats or boost his speed, the condensation effect produces said effect. It doesn't give him enhanced reflexes, He already has those reflexes normally, he can just dodge it better and move quicker. Do you want me to tell you why it's not his power. The biggest fatal flaw about his ability that makes it not his own power?

The simple fact that the extreme speed effect doesn't naturally grow accustom to his body. So I'll explain what that means.

It means that thanks to the special trait of condensation, and thus less spiritual pressure it's of a similar effect to Aang's ability to increase his speed by decreasing the air resistance around him. Thus it increases his speed, but it doesn't "cushion" the amount of force that's generated in his movements so he's still capable of massively breaking every bone in his body through overuse. So you can't use that multiplier effect just because it's decreasing the spiritual density around him, you can't ten times an effect that's not his own effect. The False Bankai's true ability is only producing stronger Getsuga Tensho, a Bankai isn't supposed to hampen a characters ability to use it unless it has to do with their overall reserves.

I see what you mean but i'll stay with the manga content.

 

[Davy0]

But the content is wrong. Again, it isn't his "power", you can't make up what you think he should and shouldn't have. Especially after I just explained why it isn't.

 

[HokageMangaVox]

But the content is wrong. Again, it isn't his "power", you can't make up what you think he should and shouldn't have. Especially after I just explained why it isn't.

But that goes the same way for you, you can make up the way you see the power and changed from what is said in the source material. I'm not saying that you're wrong but i prefer the source material. Let's just leaved as that.

 

[Davy0]

It's not making up anything. Spiritual Pressure in this case acts like air resistance, the spiritual pressure condenses around his body. Said spiritual pressures sheer weight wreaks havoc on his body. You can't increase his speed anymore than what the spiritual pressure already increases by being around him, the impact of his own movements don't help him, they hinder him and thus break down his body. There's a reason why I used Aang's ability to also decrease air resistance in order to give an example of what Ichigo's doing. It doesn't increase his stats from what they were, it just allows him to move quicker.

 

[HokageMangaVox]

It's not making up anything. Spiritual Pressure in this case acts like air resistance, the spiritual pressure condenses around his body. Said spiritual pressures sheer weight wreaks havoc on his body. You can't increase his speed anymore than what the spiritual pressure already increases by being around him, the impact of his own movements don't help him, they hinder him and thus break down his body. There's a reason why I used Aang's ability to also decrease air resistance in order to give an example of what Ichigo's doing. It doesn't increase his stats from what they were, it just allows him to move quicker.

If this is true then can you find away to calculate the spiritual pressure use? This way we can update Ichigo for each time his Spirtual Pressure increased + the trancendend spirtual pressure as well.

 

[Davy0]

No. I could care less about Bleach, why would I spend my time trying to "help" Bleach. I'd defend it if it were wrongly screwed with in a heart beat. But outright helping a fiction I despise is BS. All I want you to understand is that Bleach, nor any other fiction, should be capable of using the multiplier effect to increase a characters traits when they could literally smack you in the face later on when the character can't dodge something of a similar effect to their multiplier speed later on.

 

[HokageMangaVox]

No. I could care less about Bleach, why would I spend my time trying to "help" Bleach. I'd defend it if it were wrongly screwed with in a heart beat. But outright helping a fiction I despise is BS. All I want you to understand is that Bleach, nor any other fiction, should be capable of using the multiplier effect to increase a characters traits when they could literally smack you in the face later on when the character can't dodge something of a similar effect to their multiplier speed later on.

So, now your're taking back your comment. :/

 

[Davy0]

How am I taking back my comment. I explained to you why in the hell your multiplier BS won't work. That has nothing to do with a comment. The speed power isn't increased due to stats it's because of spiritual pressure decreasing resistance in his movements. There is nothing to take back or give to you. I explained the problem with what you stated. That's it. You can't use it. That's it.

 

[HokageMangaVox]

How am I taking back my comment. I explained to you why in the hell your multiplier BS won't work. That has nothing to do with a comment. The speed power isn't increased due to stats it's because of spiritual pressure decreasing resistance in his movements. There is nothing to take back or give to you. I explained the problem with what you stated. That's it. You can't use it. That's it.

So, that's the whole reason why Ichigo couldn't react to Gin movements. Interesting. Since his spiritual pressure was decreasing his speed was as well. I thougth he was tired after fighting four opponents without resting but you solve my problem. Thank You.

 

[Davy0]

What the hell are you talking about. WHEN ICHIGO MOVES VIGOROUSLY like the flashy ass display he showed Byakuya, the effect weights him down, not in a "weights" sense but through the tremendous pressure through his body. IT'S WHY HE HASN'T USED THE SAME SPEED EFFECT HE HAS DURING HIS LAST BATTLES BEFORE THE TIME SKIP! HIS REACTIONS DO NOT GET FASTER! ONLY HIS MOVEMENTS DO!

 

[HokageMangaVox]

What the hell are you talking about. WHEN ICHIGO MOVES VIGOROUSLY like the flashy ass display he showed Byakuya, the effect weights him down, not in a "weights" sense but through the tremendous pressure through his body. IT'S WHY HE HASN'T USED THE SAME SPEED EFFECT HE HAS DURING HIS LAST BATTLES BEFORE THE TIME SKIP! HIS REACTIONS DO NOT GET FASTER! ONLY HIS MOVEMENTS DO!

I know that but Ichigo was doing that exact vigorously move againts Tsukichima in Fullbring and againts Ginjo.

 

[Davy0]

OK. And what does that mean?! Once again it's a bunch of show-offy BS. Whether he finally mastered it so that he could move that fast or not, all that matters is that it's not an inherent ability of his bankai, but in fact an effect gained from the properties of what the Bankai does, and that is condensing the spiritual power to be capable of gaining faster movements. That's all. It doesn't increase his reactions, at all, it doesn't increase his reflexes, at all. It gives him more time to react and move, and that doesn't imply an increase in overall stats.

 

[HokageMangaVox]

OK. And what does that mean?! Once again it's a bunch of show-offy BS. Whether he finally mastered it so that he could move that fast or not, all that matters is that it's not an inherent ability of his bankai, but in fact an effect gained from the properties of what the Bankai does, and that is condensing the spiritual power to be capable of gaining faster movements. That's all. It doesn't increase his reactions, at all, it doesn't increase his reflexes, at all. It gives him more time to react and move, and that doesn't imply an increase in overall stats.

I see. Either way, I'll wait for more feats. Since everything your saying i already know. We are confusing the topic, is better to stop talking about it, until he shows more feats.

 

[Davy0]

Alright then, so long as you understand that.

 

[Fireboy2000]

so how fast is ichigo in mach to this

 

[KamiYasha]

Sundays of bleach's speed threads.

I love them.