Basically the above and the fact that the average Joe could take on mercenary with crazy accurate analytical prediction
You actually can calc the "LS" of a Black Hole. Or rather, the force you'd need to escape a Black Hole. There's a few calculations calcing character's escaping a Black Hole (Without the use of FTL where Force than becomes inapplicable) and even small Black Holes require like Class P to escape IIRC. Don't know much about this character of if their blackholes behave realistically though, so I can't really comment on if it'd be applicable here.
Inapplicable. Siroven said it himself.
In this context, or in general? I've seen several accepted calcs of character's getting LS based on escaping a Black Hole (Granted, only if they weren't in the event horizon but were in its gravitational area of effect IIRC).
Because that's not a "real" black hole.
They were going to get swallowed up along with the island. They didn't prevent the island from getting pulled.
? Idc if they didn't prevent the island from getting pulled, they themselves weren't pulled by the Black hole and were hanging on/flying just fine even though they were closer to the Black hole than the island. Fang in particular was flying even closer to the Black hole and wasn't sucked in while others can resist its pull by anchoring on the terrain , the island itself was being pulled at an extremely slow rate with mostly debris flying up when considering how close the Black hole was to the island. If Deku find himself in the same situation as Boboiboi and gang, he could just fly away like Fang or use Black whip or his Class T LS to anchor to the terrain and Spiderman himself around just like they are shown to do except far more proficient considering he's orders of magnitude stronger than them
That's a lot of statements but does he have any feats ?
I dislike skill "statements".
The amount of time i hear someone justify a character skill by saying "Oh he beat this character who has 1 morbillion year of experience and is a universe-renowned assassin/spy/bounty hunter who can beat dozens of nameless goons at the same tine" when the dude barely have any impressive showings is ridiculous
I don’t mean to downplay or anything… but literally none of those are all that impressive.
I require the scans
i'll get to that
Boboiboy's far slower elements such as Quake and Cyclone dodged laser danmaku that rained upon them that covered an entire landfill despite thunderstorm being far superior to the former in speed yet still got shot
Abam's predictions allowed him to deal with far faster opponents such as Yaya and Ying, the latter whose speed is amped by time manipulation also allows her to perceive her surroundings in slow-mo which in context makes abam's predictions far more impressive as he could catch someone off-guard despite them having their perception altered to such an extent where everything moved as fast as a snail. also calling those 2 unskilled is an understatement, one of them being the chairmen of an entire taekwondo club before 10 years old (wouldn't sound impressive if she was older than that), the latter being able maneuver around the air just fine as if she could fly despite not having any form of pseudo flight or levitation for that matter.
its easier to predict someone far away jumping all over the place compared to predicting a person that constantly harasses an opponent with an extremely fast chaotic barrage of punches and kicks all up in their face. besides that abam basically could easily incapacitate someone just by doing this. predicted where boi was about to move and shot his arrows in such a way that boi was stuck in such a position that he can't get out.
Gonna call cap on this one, that guy is not using Danmaku at all, he’s just spraying shots randomly all over the place so they ran away and didn’t get hit. Danmaku would be if he shot 50 shots at once and they surrounded all of them then homed in to hit them. This is more like getting a machine guns, holding the trigger and spinning in a circle, which isn’t Danmaku.
Wouldn’t that just be a speed feat? It’s not actually time stop related unless they’re mentioning it from the dialogue, there are unfortunately no subtitles. If her ability is to just amp so that people slower than her are statues, then that would just mean Abam is fast enough to perceive her anyway. Her ability is just an amp, so it being time or perception Manipulation doesn’t make it particularly useful if a character is just faster enough to keep up.
No, it is not. He is predicting them in the middle of combat, that is all. If he couldn’t do that while being attacked, then his prediction would be horrendous. Doing it while being pressured is the whole point of the ability, and Deku’s showing of it is way better than this.
even sans doesn't fire 50 projectiles at once, so we gonna remove danmaku from every undertale profile at this point from your standard?
here's the eng dub and its damn disgusting to hear. prove ABAM is fast enough to perceive both yaya and ying then. her ability is more than an amp. it also allows her to slow down time for everyone else while she moves at her regular speed without amps
prove your point by showing the exact time where this happened in the vijeo
then Nagant's analytical prediction is far worse base on your analogy.
scans for clarification
its only 8 shots that he had to deal with curving right at him from all directions, boi could be seen dodging over 15 pillars of hot magma popping out of the ground in random directions very effortlessly without even getting scorched by the heat. you would have an easier time dodging curving bullets in the air than magma pillars shot up the arse from the ground.
I'll play devil's advocate and say that you may be overhyping his analytical prediction a little bit too much. I'll even say it may be due to his above average analytical prediction in tandem with very competent intuition that allowed him to beat Nagant despite the former having the cards stacked against him.
Friend, the number isn’t what you focus on. It’s the pattern and properties, with number being another factor. Sans Danmaku is barrages of attacks from different directions, randomly, from several different points of origin. Not spinning in a circle firing shots. That is not Danmaku.
They clarify in that dub that she only slows down time around herself. Also,
Your own scan shows him reacting to and dodging her attacks when she tries to hit him. It also shows her friend keeping pace with her while using this ability, so clearly it is not that fast or she’s not using it to the extent that is being claimed.
Terrible argument considering how I explained her analytical prediction working and this is all about Deku who is the combatant here, but ok.
Provided
No, you would not, if those curving bullets are being shot by someone that can predict your movements near perfectly. The lava is coming up and all boi does is skate past dodging them as they pop up, he knows where they’re coming from and can react. Deku has no idea where Nagant is, where she has shot, where the bullets she has shot will curve from, or how many bullets are being sent his way, all while his danger sense precognition is overwhelmed becaus the bullets are faster than him.
What does this even mean? He predicted her predictions and got past her bullet barrages, calculated the impossible trajectory of her shots to find her and nearly caught her, all while being pressured by her bullet barrage. He went from not being able to avoid a single bullet from a further distance to avoiding, as you counted, 8 of them from even closer, and then kept dodging.
Also not worth overhyping someone predicting the trajectory of attacks as if that means anything, trying to imply it’s “on a different level” because one of the characters has a speed amp that Abam can react to without the prediction anyway.
Note: To qualify for Danmaku, the user has to be shown to create tens or dozens of projectiles in a very short timeframe (i.e., at least 20 to 24 minimum). The projectiles don't need to be created simultaneously but they should all be shown in motion at roughly the same time.
After he finished his predictions. also mind just link the exact timeframe to support your side of the arguement?
that doesn't do much nor to your side of the arguement. very irrelevant.
your definition in the previous arguement is what made hers sound terrible. not mine to support.
prove that boi could find out about the pillars popping out in their exact positions. otherwise its just your headcanon. boi could do the exact same thing like the above with 8 curved bullets replaced by dozens of searing magma pillars and without any form of enhanced senses, precognition nor analytical prediction for that matter in a carefree way which argueably makes it far more impressive. lady nagant's analytical prediction only allows her to know where to shot to hit izuku at the exact position where he's going from very far away but doesn't take account his countermeasures to each individual bullet shot.
elaborate. they are not comparable because the latter is inferior to the former.
pretty sure the most amount of bullets that came within a single scene is 8 which came from your imgur post showing izuku dodging bullets coming from the sides, bottom and top.
i meant is, their analytical prediction isn't busted as you make it out to be, just above average. the latter part of your sentence is just some "god of war ragnarok kratos adaption thing"
you haven't shown us that
show us
i thought barriers encompass the entire user what makes gentle criminal's barrier far different?
I said his analytical prediction is just above average, it does not by any means suck but more or so it feels way too overhyped. also as for the one in bold, that doesn't fit with your description of her analytical prediction.
see the 2nd earliest linked text
because of the simple fact that Borara is simply in the higher echelon's of the skill scaling of the verse even outpacing and knocked down boboiboy air who did those very casual feats before hand. Argueably as skilled as the admiral who effortlessly pulverized an entire space armada ship by ship through a series of complex patterns of leaps and rams without breaking so much as a sweat
This literally disqualifies your example of Danmaku.
He has not predicted them at that point, he just has them noted as threats. From 12:29-12:41, he dodges their attacks despite not having analyzed their trajectories, and only has them analyzed at 12:42, when he says “calculating trajectories.” He literally was dodging them before his prediction even kicked in that entire time.
You keep referencing this feat as if it’s crazy when it isn’t. The guy is making lava pillars rapidly but here are a two things you are embellishing AND leaving information out on.
8 bullets faster than him fired by someone with analytical prediction so precise that she can snipe him from a kilometer away by curving a bullet around a bullet precisely to where he is, after knowing how he would react to her bullets from a single instance of him blocking them? Yeah, way better than anything Boi has shown. Her aim is better than anything you’ve displayed, you’re just trying to use “big number” to imply the lava feat is even remotely close in terms of skill.
Idk what this is mean to mean. His prediction is just good enough that against someone that could predict all his moves even with his random bouncing designed to throw off her aim and with bullets faster than him, he could predict them all despite the impossible angles they came at him from. And not just predict them to dodge, but so much that he could reverse predict her and calculate where she was with exact precision, literally replicating her own feat against him almost. Yeah, that’s better than what you’re presenting here.
Deku predicts Mirio after only seeing him fight for 5 seconds. - Didn’t even know what his quirk was and could predict what he would do.
Did, doesn’t change anything
Literally none of this puts him on the level of Abam’s predictions at all. None of Boi’s feats are comparable to Deku’s, so beating him is irrelevant, especially since Boi himself does not scale to Abam’s predictions.
Deku tanks it and one shots Bora right after with a Fa Jin punch because Bora is too weak to do anything to him with that attack or even make him flinch. Also, proof this would remotely move a Class T character? This is the exact same ability just a push outwards from Bora, it would still need to actually be strong enough to affect Deku. Win condition stands.
prove that it doesn't fire more than 20 laser bolts in that scene in quick succession then.
just because he doesn't say something at that scene like "calculating trajectory" does not mean he didn't make any predictions during the start of the fight otherwise this scene would not fit with your headcanon. he needs to analyze the target before successfully making a prediction to do any of his actions otherwise all his attacks would've been complete bollocks like below
not really decorative as far as we can see, just something basic that izuku can't do without analytical prediction shenanigans combined with dangersense which as far we can see from imgur which you have shown in his fight with lady nagant, the latters' analytical prediction just allows far more accessibility and options to hit a target from afar rather than being able to strike in such a way that it overrides another opponent's countermeasures or analytical prediction for that matter. if izuku is going to pull all his cards just to counter curving bullets coming from the dark shot by lady nagant. Then he's analytical prediction is nothing special. just used to keep track with where his opponent's pop up next rather than used to predict their actual counter offensive.
being extremely good at maneuvering around projectiles does not mean he's faster than him, water is just very good at dodging im afraid he isn't that much faster than roktaroka otherwise he would've outpaced the lava pillars far faster than what's shown. the original series also shows that he is far slower than portrayed, just very good at avoiding things. such as being unable to outrun boboibot earth's earth attacks yet he was able to dodge cyclone drill that is far faster than he is.
boboiboy water's personality is more or so VERY lazy instead of carefree or casual for that matter, in the original series which Borara is first introduced yet when he did go all out pulling out all the stops, he still failed to beat bora ra. as for the bolded part, just because the bullets appeared in the same panel doesn't mean they arrived all at once, they just arrived in quick succession just like any other semi automatic rifle rounds which nagant uses in her arm which many lesser experienced gunmen would be able to do so without much of a hassle.
ebay? isnt that some sort of shipment company? anyways boi is slower as mentioned at one of my earlier statements above. the bolded part is honestly just trollish of you. the lava pillars are far superior projectiles to large bullets, reason is you would require to dodge much more farther when dodging lava than bullets coming in a curved motion. Of course i don't disagree with Nagant having the better skill but izuku still needed to use his analytical prediction and dangersense to its highest level just to deal with bullets shot at the predicted spot where he was supposed to be from nagant's prediction. so that's a sloppy izuku honestly if he couldn't think of a predict where the bullet would come from that exact spot before he arrives there in the moment.
the above and below statements
that still took him quite awhile to pull off. enough time for Borara to eventually catch him off guard to pull off the swipe left.
that reverse calculation thing is impressive...but not helpful against someone who's completely melee without any form of ranged attack besides a black hole that'll completely suck up a target.
yeah but he still failed to make a good counterattack for it and got touched in the eye tho but i see what you meant. Boi did a similar feat but unlike izuku he successfully made a counterattack
Yaya dodged 2 homing missiles and outmaneuvered an Alien spaceship without much hassle just after having the power of flight one episode earlier so not noteworthy she also lost the missiles in a shorter span of time than izuku by spinning herself to force the missiles to collide with each other.
that's just....very confusing to understand even with panels.
wouldn't call it straight line, they came back in curved paths instead to be more accurate. that includes boboiboy's vine attack
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im not scaling boi to abam, im upscaling bora ra from both abam and boi to be more precise. None is pretty much saying its an absolute fact. which it is not, what boi did is comparable and i agree saying only comparable and NOT equal to Izuku in terms of skill and techniques
the distance between each ship to ship is tens to hundreds of kilometers apart. far more impressive than whatever coordination nagant did at several kilometers. izuku has sure not jumped as far as tarung before shown in this incomplete calc that i...didn't bother to complete to bump the admiral's speed to relativistic
Dura neg son. that was a black hole attack which ignores conventional durability. the bolded parts are basically irrelevant if izuku does not have anything to defend himself against dura neg when attempting to get close or grapple. win condition overruled.
understandable friend
Uh, what? That’s your job to do, you’re the one claiming he dodged Danmaku (which isn’t in itself impressive at all considering how the Danmaku would’ve been performed). You need to prove there were 20 shots moving at the same time on screen towards Boi and that he dodged than all for your argument here to mean anything.
Uh, what? So your claim is that when he says “calculating trajectory,” he’s just… lying or something?
What does any of this even mean besides downplay? He’s dodging bullets coming from someone that can near instantly analyze his movements despite his efforts to make them random, so precisely she can pre curve a bullet around a building to hit him. He has no Danger Sense to aid him when she’s up close to him, only his own reflexes and predictions, and keeps up with her shots despite them being faster than him. That is more impressive than your proposed feats.
What does this mean or matter? That’s what Deku was going up against and directly countering, if she can precisely snipe him in a manner that accounts for him dodging and he dodges anyway without Danger Sense helping, numerous times in a row, then it is a feat. By your example, Abam’s analytical prediction is also worthless as all he’s doing is seeing where they will move and dodging accordingly, then shooting arrows in their path. Nothing Abam does is even remotely better than what Nagant does, yet you bash Nagant?
So then why are you bringing up him dodging the pillars as if it’s something he’s not been shown capable of? If this water form is specifically tailored and capable of dodging attacks with its personality, then no one else should scale to it, not to mention the lava pillar feat in itself isn’t impressive.
That just means Bora was much stronger than him or that his powers bodies Water. I don’t see how that matters to the skill argument considering what I know of Bora. Unless he beat Water with his bare hands and outskilled him without his black holes then him beating water is irrelevant anyway
Petty as **** but ok
Debunked
Are you joking? Mirio is faster than Deku so he recognizes the situation and instantly adapts, on top of having a Quirk that Deku doesn’t know the specifics of. He doesn’t know Mirio can go intangible fully or how it works, so when Mirio fakes to touch his eye in the middle of his kick, he flinches and gets hit for it. This isn’t even beginning on how incorrect you are for putting this as some sort of downplay on Deku for Mirio doing something to catch him off guard, when Mirio can fight Overhaul, no Quirk, for 5 minutes straight despite Overhaul being able to do spike barrage attacks (better than your lava pillars btw) like this.
Beros is controlling the arrows with her mind, not comparable and irrelevant. Also his worst feat anyway.
So no argument at all against this. Let me break it down then.
Him calculating trajectory was literally just them running at him to punch/kick him in simple movements. And he dodged that before he even stated he was doing so. Also that vine attack is not comparable to what you’re trying to say Abam’s prediction abilities are at.
You’re trying to say all of Deku’s skill feats are bad while all of Boi’s feats are good, when it is the opposite. You laser focused on the Nagant bullets, then basically had no argument to all of his other analytical prediction feats.
That exactly why I said on a lesser scale. The movements themselves are not impressive, he’s literally just jumping from ship to ship, the only thing impressive is the distance he’s doing it from, and also that is not hundreds of kilometers??
Prove that attack ignores conventional durability. The only reasoning present for why Bora has dura neg AT ALL is that he can make black holes inside of people. Other than that, no, a simple push back attack is not durability negation unless proven or his profile is horrendously made.
