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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1
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Him and Hanami punching at the exact same speed against Gojo
Those attacks against Gojo have no AP feats either, and against Naobito he used volcano heads not tiny flames.
Why? The statements only ever reference CE volume, never stats.ALSO the 8f estimate doesn't factor in things like the barrierless domain or "Open" arrows, it's likely a stats statement.
Does Gojo not exist?
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According to Kusakabe, a technique as grand as the World-Cutting Slash "needs a charge-up period or some kind of Binding Vow"
After Sukuna lost his hands did he made another BV? seems like he needs to charge it up now
It seems that it needed a charge-up period even before Sukuna made a Binding Vow that added more prerequisites
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He’s dead dude. Gojo is not alive in the current Manga
Hanami could’ve gotten stronger or something. Jogo is acknowledged as way faster than Dagon, who can keep up with Nanami and Maki
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Your wording of "any character in the current manga" is just vague asf then
GWE Yuji should also be faster than Nanami and Maki via his own scaling chains, so that's not too notable
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There was a very obvious and invisible "except Gojo"
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"If it hit" isn't the same as saying it would damage, as Jogo was more so thinking it should have hit Sukuna. Sukuna trolls him. even then, congrats in damaging a casual Sukuna 
i stopped reading it when they say highest output in history. clearly a jjk reader that didn't bother diving deep. because that statement talks about Modern Sendai
(correct translation) next.
so ce reserves. lol. basically the very same thing mahito said about how jogo has more ce reserves than 3F, yet 3F Sukuna ce control (output) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jogo.
also what? Kenjaku says being generous
Jogo then proceeds to face reality (fights Casual Sukuna) and put that generous statement into further question.lemme give yall a scale
sub 9f sukuna level in ce reserves, shitty as **** output, brain damage, hasn't recovered enough output for rct, no box or domain, is >>>>>>> the verse
Now there's also the 3F meta if you don't like 99% of the verse being below 3F or even 2F.
Megumi compares 3F Sukuna and Toji in speed. Sukuna praises and hypes maho to be 3F level. Clearly the 3F in verse is a very big milestones. Anybody on par or relative or in the same ballpark as Maki/Toji in stats, is 3F level/sub 3F level.
then there's the 15F Sukuna with at least 10% output or less going relative to even outpacing Maki and damaging her to spit out blood(?) with a punch, with that same sukuna even thinking that 10% is enough to comfortably slaughter Yuji, who could somewhat keep up with Maki. So 1.5F level Meta.
anybody that does a careful research would know gege is deeply involved in the anime. pretty obvious if u don't just focus on powerscaling and more so lore related stuff and canon. (no offense)
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TBF the 15F Sukuna at "10% output" had a fluctuating power level where at his lowest it was dipping below 10% (with his physicals not going as low as his CT's output), which is reflected in how whenever Sukuna's on the defensive he can block attacks from both Yuji and Maki but when he's on the offensive a holding back Maki can swing him around. So I think Maki / Toji having 3F level stats is very consistent in the context of the fight.
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W.
wonder why some think it is seperate canon. anime is literally just the manga but with more color and life given (VA, "animated", etc) with added extra scenes being explicitly approved by gege. anything u see being entirely new or altered in anime that u don't see in manga? that's approved. gege wanted it. why? because why wouldn't u want ur story to become better and all that? Gege is all in for it, and happy.
anime is kinda like the revision of the manga if u will. (Which it is) and there are little limits in the anime compared to the manga. (I guarantee you gojo vs sukuna fight will be VASTLY different, why? Because there are far lesser limits, if you get what I mean) hence the additional stuff.
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How is it vague?
No. No one even thinks this here. Iirc for people reading, he thinks Yuji got blitzed by todo or something. Yuji never got faster during the GWE to Shibuya, it’s the same Yuji basically, he just added finesse and skill
Nanami punches harder and is equal in speed to Shibuya Yuji
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I never said this lmfao. Todo did outspeed Yuji and was very obviously winning their exchange physically, then Yuji learnt to better manipulate his cursed energy and have it flow around his body (literally how CE amps your physicals) and then Gojo even states "woah, Yuji's gotten way stronger!" To say Yuji stagnated is baseless.
Ino said Yuji's punch is relative to that of Nanami, which I don't deny Nanami has insane striking power for a grade 1 sorcerer, but there's never any mention of speed.
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Please show this happening
Should be more like his 80-90%. Why would Nanami be inferior?
He got better, but his stats themselves are the same. He went from going relative to Nanami to going relative to Nanami, he basically didn’t change. There’s also no note of Yuji surpassing Nanami in speed to any significant extent. As far as we see, his punch wasn’t insanely fast to Ino, who’s inferior to Nanami
Also Cursed energy doesn’t amp speed
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It does.
It’s accepted as doing so on site.
Not sure how you could possibly come to this consideration unless you believe sorcs smoke all other humans for some reason other than CE. You’d also be disregarding Megumi’s assessment of no CE Yuji being “fast for someone wothout CE” amd Geto’s explicit confirmation that it does.
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Todo punched Yuji severel feet away and then crossed that distance to land a second blow before Yuji could block, and Yuji only blocked the initial hit due to being warned about it. For consistency, we see Todo grossly outspeed Megumi (essentially blitzing him), the same Megumi who can fight alongside Maki and attack in unison, the same Maki who can at the very least react to Overtime Nanami enough to participate in combo attacks. Todo then states Yuji's lackluster cursed energy control is making him "weak" and unable to access the "full strength" of his jabs (not just a matter of being skilled) and throughout the fight is complimenting Yuji's growth rate. Once Yuji grasps this he reveals he was going easy on him the entire time (including when he outspeeded him prior). Gojo even claims Yuji has grown "way stronger" and says he should even be able to take on a special grade now (when has Nanami ever been given such a statement?)
You haven't given any reason for Nanami to be superior, you're just saying "I FEEL like it should be 80 to 90%, anyway I already gave the scaling chain for Yuji.
proof?
Why do we need a statement of Yuji surpassing Nanami for it to be true? We weren't given that statement when Yuji was fighting 15F Sukuna, or current Sukuna, is Yuji still below Nanami in power? Has Yuji not been growing at all? Obviously not, we can infer a character is stronger through their new feats.
This is just an assumption, Ino just commented on its power not it's speed.
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Guac will consistently appeal to site consensus when it agrees with him to pretend to possess some higher authority over topics but then outright reject official site stances when it disagrees with him just as easily. It's so dishonest lmfao
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@Guacamolefletcher change your name to Eva, I keep calling you by your discord tag
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i might go on a long tangent here, but just tryna explain it clear for you.
which output do you think is easier to affect and which one do you think is more complex?
CT is more complex to fk around with to begin with for megumi. as for ce output in reinforcement? requires less effort. so I think ce reinforcement would be far more easily affected.
even if you think they're the same in difficulty, Megumi would still be affecting the output in Sukuna's body. How else does he give the ct output.
oh, I almost misunderstood what you meant. Sukuna never says his physicals is not going as low as his output, that's a misunderstanding many people have.
When Sukuna says minimal influence on the flesh, do you know what kanji is used?
肉
This is the same kanji used for the fanbook explanation about Kenjaku's technique controlling the 肉
When Geto tried to strangle Kenny, it isn't like his ce is getting affected. It's literally control over the body, the flesh, like say, if Megumi tried to control Sukuna's hand to stop moving, something like that. Not ce physicals or stuff.
A: Not much. It’s like when a dragonfly can still move a bit when its head is ripped off
? ? ? Technique
By using the technique, he can control the flesh. It’s a taboo technique with a lot of mysteries.
肉
just clarifying for you (and the rest)
Moving on:
“There are some irregularities, but my CE output is falling below 10%…
It doesn't go as far as hindering my movements in this vessel, but…”
^ Translation by Lightning of the raw scan I posted above. He directly says it is falling below 10%, unlike other TL. Furthermore...
“Probably when I try to hurt his comrades, this body strongly resists me and drops my Cursed Technique’s Cursed Energy output. In that case…” (Lightning TL)
In any case, when he tries or so on, his output drops.
Despite all of this Sukuna thinks this amount of CE output for his ct is enough to comfortably slaughter Yuji?
Ik many people think that if it just says ct output then it shouldn't affect CE output for reinforcement.... which is plain wrong. 1.5F ct level of dismantle and cleave enough to comfortably slaughter Yuji but his fists don't one shot? Obviously they're both affected then. It also doubly doesn't make sense when Megumi would have no reason to not disrupt the general flow of ce being poured into ce output for ct and reinforcement.
and it ain't like his dismantle is or cleave is several tiers apart really from his own stats. (Given those same slashes didn't do much to gojo individually despite being heavily amped due to being in domain, and Sukuna is still in the same tier as gojo normally, too)
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good point, although this only strengthens my conclusion imoi might go on a long tangent here, but just tryna explain it clear for you.
which output do you think is easier to affect and which one do you think is more complex?
CT is more complex to fk around with to begin with for megumi. as for ce output in reinforcement? requires less effort. so I think ce reinforcement would be far more easily affected.
even if you think they're the same in difficulty, Megumi would still be affecting the output in Sukuna's body. How else does he give the ct output.
oh, I almost misunderstood what you meant. Sukuna never says his physicals is not going as low as his output, that's a misunderstanding many people have.
When Sukuna says minimal influence on the flesh, do you know what kanji is used?
肉
This is the same kanji used for the fanbook explanation about Kenjaku's technique controlling the 肉
When Geto tried to strangle Kenny, it isn't like his ce is getting affected. It's literally control over the body, the flesh, like say, if Megumi tried to control Sukuna's hand to stop moving, something like that. Not ce physicals or stuff.
A: Not much. It’s like when a dragonfly can still move a bit when its head is ripped off
? ? ? Technique
By using the technique, he can control the flesh. It’s a taboo technique with a lot of mysteries.
肉
just clarifying for you (and the rest)
Moving on:
“There are some irregularities, but my CE output is falling below 10%…
It doesn't go as far as hindering my movements in this vessel, but…”
^ Translation by Lightning of the raw scan I posted above. He directly says it is falling below 10%, unlike other TL. Furthermore...
“Probably when I try to hurt his comrades, this body strongly resists me and drops my Cursed Technique’s Cursed Energy output. In that case…” (Lightning TL)
In any case, when he tries or so on, his output drops.
Despite all of this Sukuna thinks this amount of CE output for his ct is enough to comfortably slaughter Yuji?
Ik many people think that if it just says ct output then it shouldn't affect CE output for reinforcement.... which is plain wrong. 1.5F ct level of dismantle and cleave enough to comfortably slaughter Yuji but his fists don't one shot? Obviously they're both affected then. It also doubly doesn't make sense when Megumi would have no reason to not disrupt the general flow of ce being poured into ce output for ct and reinforcement.
and it ain't like his dismantle is or cleave is several tiers apart really from his own stats. (Given those same slashes didn't do much to gojo individually despite being heavily amped due to being in domain, and Sukuna is still in the same tier as gojo normally, too)
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Did you read JJK?
why are you using old arguments that were debunked in this site badly, in a thread about cursed energy amping ur speed.
not just that, but have you even read jjk? cuz if you do then you wouldn't be asking this.
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Do you know what looking down and being distracted means? He’s CLEARLY doing that here
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he's looking at his arms, a hulk like Todo would still be in his line of sight.
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He’s not paying attention though, getting surprised by something coming out of left field while you’re distracted isn’t being out sped. Todo isn’t even that much faster than panda
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Not if somethings charging right at you at the centre of your line of sight, also what feat does panda have?
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Geto never claims this, and Megumi’s statement is about running speed and the strength to push your legs to run faster. Someone with cursed energy has greater physical strength and hence can run faster
Imma downgrade this in the future, but for now as long as *!n$(&/:/st agrees, it’s good and valid (real ones know who that is)
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It’s being caught offguard
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Y'all good in here?
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No??
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idk man, 11 letters ending is "st" narrows it down to him. Also, SEND THE PANDA FEAT because I know you literally just outright lied about that
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Its stated that gorilla mode Panda can stall Todo, so he can keep up with him
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Lol.
why does megumi yap about toji being this fast without ce. do you think they are innately this fast in reaction speed and not that ce amps it?
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Most of this seems to be about the first ep and just directing the storyboard. Nothing really says all aspects here.
[2] [3] These aren't opening for me though.
And approval doesn't translate to everything's now canon. Feel like that just makes the manga pointless if we're gonna go with anime adaption for whatever reason.
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I think it’s probably ok to use the JJK0 movie because it adds stuff that was retconned into happening in JJK0, like the black flashes and whatnot. Also it makes more sense with stuff like Yuta hitting the black flash
Lol.
why does megumi yap about toji being this fast without ce. do you think they are innately this fast in reaction speed and not that ce amps it?
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The full statement "even our combined strength might not be enough to take him down. At first, I was thinking about positioning someone in the rear to keep him occupied - maybe Panda or Megumi" (the same Megumi that got blitzed).
1. Maki isn't sure of how strong Todo is
2. Maki doesn't think realistically that any of them can defeat him, even when fighting together
3. Maki doesn't recommend anyone with relativity to hold Todo back, evident by Megumi even being in the conversation
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Then you clearly didn't read them all.
I can upload the broken links at a more convienent time as I'll have to save them and am not home right now.
Approval/direct involvement and supervision means secondary canon, which means said feats fall under secondary canon rule. I never said "everything is canon now" so don't put words in my mouth.
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Literally does in chapter 0, his direct quote being
Which covers both applicable aspects of speed.
Motor movements are commensurate to reaction speed which is why you will faceplant if you step onto a treadmill running at 40mph. You need coordination for said movement.
That's not what running is all about, completely neglects the fact that "running fast" requires neuronal input and coordination.
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Oh that's a rule? And I wasn't saying you said that, it was a general statement. I wouldn't personally use secondary canon over the primary for scaling purposes is all.
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Me personally I want my 7-C mid tier, High 7-C top tier, and Low-High Mahoraga
