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Jujutsu Kaisen Discussion Page #1

Arkenis said:
And yet none of this requires death.
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They literally do? One of the main themes, if not THE main theme, in JJK is this notion of suffering and humanity, and so when we have situations like Higuruma needing to prove his own humanity through death or Choso dying as a consequence of living as a human there's clearly a very unique message being conveyed and narrative weight applied to these things. To say "pointless death" is to take a very surface level analysis.
Arkenis said:
None of these are contradicting?
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Never said they're contradicting, I said you call ANYTHING Gege could do a writing flaw to the point there's no alternative and you've demonstrated this by providing no alternative when that was literally my question.
Arkenis said:
When did I say he sidelines his side characters?
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You complained about Todo being removed from the story for a single arc, claiming he side-lines them. Again, Gege gives the side characters purpose and it's bad writing, he doesn't give them the spotlight and it's bad writing, he kills them and it's bad writing. Where's your ideal solution here? What should he have done with Ryu, Yorozu, Todo, Yuta, Choso, Higuruma, etc?
 
Rosa said:
They literally do? One of the main themes, if not THE main theme, in JJK is this notion of suffering and humanity, and so when we have situations like Higuruma needing to prove his own humanity through death or Choso dying as a consequence of living as a human there's clearly a very unique message being conveyed and narrative weight applied to these things. To say "pointless death" is to take a very surface level analysis.
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What's surface level is the main theme being suffering and humanity, especially when it's still being done towards the end of the story, when we've already gotten that point in the story a hundred+ chapters ago. Death is something that comes to both curses and humans, it has less to do with being human, and more to do with being in conflict with life itself, as Sukuna made clear nearly 50 chapters ago and what Sukuna, Gojo and Kashimo's "strongest" theme comes from. And this is my point in calling it pointless death, we've already seen the theme beaten to the ground in the story, why are we still getting it in the final arc? Maybe that's just me, but the arc should've shifted to something deeper, to show Gege can take his story in a different direction.

Rosa said:
Never said they're contradicting, I said you call ANYTHING Gege could do a writing flaw to the point there's no alternative and you've demonstrated this by providing no alternative when that was literally my question.
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I don't though.

Rosa said:
You complained about Todo being removed from the story for a single arc, claiming he side-lines them. Again, Gege gives the side characters purpose and it's bad writing, he doesn't give them the spotlight and it's bad writing, he kills them and it's bad writing. Where's your ideal solution here? What should he have done with Ryu, Yorozu, Todo, Yuta, Choso, Higuruma, etc?
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It's all about how he's doing it and when he does it. He removed Todo from the Culling Games, a massive arc where his power could've been shown. And now look where Todo is, just another character to throw at Sukuna and be support. This purpose you talk about is very lazy for several characters: Miguel came in, fought, dipped, served no purpose, Larue same thing, Ino same thing, Kashimo same thing.

He's giving them spotlight at the end of the story, like so many authors do and it tends to come off cheap and lazy. Ryu, Yorozu, Uro, Kashimo could've specifically have been used to develop the history of the world. We get nothing from them displaying the way the past sorcerers fought, how they interacted with their society, who was the big shots, ZERO on what went down during Sukuna vs the sorcerers in Heian Era, nothing on the main three clans throughout history. A simple 10 chapter Heian Era flashback or Edo flashback would've been good and have suited such a big arc.

Don't think there's anything wrong with Yuta really, maybe could've seen his relationship with his classmates more? Choso's fine, just don't think him dying is needed, you knowing living is also what being human is about right, especially for your fellow sorcerer, something Todo made clear. Higuruma was good during the culling games just ended up being another side character in the end so I think he should've been given a bigger role where he's trained to be part of the main force like Yuta and Yuji are. I was hoping we'd see Kamo become a stronger sorcerer, one part of the anti-Sukuna force having been a semi grade 1 and the heir of the kamo clan, maybe developing something to finish off his character, as the heir to a main clan but no he's just made into an abandon, sad, and forgotten kid by his parents and removed from being heir then runs off.
 
Arkenis said:
What's surface level is the main theme being suffering and humanity, especially when it's still being done towards the end of the story, when we've already gotten that point in the story a hundred+ chapters ago.
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I really don't see how this is a writing issue. A story should keep its core themes consistent and continuously explored imo, but if you dislike the themes of JJK and wanted to see other things that's acceptable and fine as your preference, but to say it's vacuous / meaningless and that Gege is doing nothing with his story is just evidently not true.
Arkenis said:
It's all about how he's doing it and when he does it. He removed Todo from the Culling Games, a massive arc where his power could've been shown. And now look where Todo is, just another character to throw at Sukuna and be support. This purpose you talk about is very lazy for several characters: Miguel came in, fought, dipped, served no purpose, Larue same thing, Ino same thing, Kashimo same thing.
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I mean it's been 1 chapter, I don't we should jump the gun and say "wow Todo's done NOTHING", but for Miguel him and Laru fought as an expression of love and mourning whilst symbolising the impact our cast has on other characters, with love and connection also being another main theme especially with Sukuna, whilst Kashimo served to explore the concept of the strongest and the isolation it brings in more detail (although I will agree Gege rushed it), with Ino also serving to show the legacy of Nanami which is inline with Todo's ideology that sorcerers never really die but live on in their successors with Ino never really being a focal point of the story and so I actually really appreciated his small moments in this fight as a relatively weak sorcerer just trying his best to help his friends. I thought it was a sweet addition for Gege to add with such a small character.
Arkenis said:
He's giving them spotlight at the end of the story, like so many authors do and it tends to come off cheap and lazy. Ryu, Yorozu, Uro, Kashimo could've specifically have been used to develop the history of the world. We get nothing from them displaying the way the past sorcerers fought, how they interacted with their society, who was the big shots, ZERO on what went down during Sukuna vs the sorcerers in Heian Era, nothing on the main three clans throughout history. A simple 10 chapter Heian Era flashback or Edo flashback would've been good and have suited such a big arc.
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I do agree with this largely, I think Gege should explore the past some more and I think he will do so with all the hints we're getting about the heian era, although this so far is more so "man it'll be cool if Gege did x and y" and less "man this story has actual holes in it because we never got x and y" - we don't need to see the heian era for the current story to work, seeing the heian era would just amplify the story imo.
Arkenis said:
I was hoping we'd see Kamo become a stronger sorcerer, one part of the anti-Sukuna force having been a semi grade 1 and the heir of the kamo clan, maybe developing something to finish off his character, as the heir to a main clan but no he's just made into an abandon, sad, and forgotten kid by his parents and removed from being heir then runs off.
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I liked Kamo's conclusion, his entire life he's been suffering with the burden of being the head and that reputation, with him losing the acceptance of his family because of his weakness, him being able to save his family and live with them away from the jujutsu world is a happy end for him where his weakness turns into a strength, I appreciated that.
 
Guys… what the ****.


I read the Todo chapters all the way to now with no leaks.

I read the most recent one begrudgingly after two friends told me to read it and my jaw legit dropped.

Everyone’s gonna hate Gege, but it takes some big nuts to do what Gege is doing right now. No one thought he was actually gonna do it
 
Why doesn't Maho have size manip? His size consistently alters in the manga to match his action and in the anime they exaggerate this even further to insane degrees, has there been a CRT about it that was rejected or does one need to be made?
 
Rosa said:
I really don't see how this is a writing issue. A story should keep its core themes consistent and continuously explored imo, but if you dislike the themes of JJK and wanted to see other things that's acceptable and fine as your preference, but to say it's vacuous / meaningless and that Gege is doing nothing with his story is just evidently not true.
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There's nothing wrong when its explored in new ways, Gege's just kept it constant with the theme of death being the same thing tackling the same aspects: suffering, mortality and the purpose of sorcerers. When you make a theme there needs to be other ways its explored and there has to be more themes to go along with it that are big as it or compliment it well and I don't believe that's the case, maybe the strongest theme does but its only for two characters and I have issues with Sukuna's portrayal of the strongest on its own.

Rosa said:
I mean it's been 1 chapter, I don't we should jump the gun and say "wow Todo's done NOTHING", but for Miguel him and Laru fought as an expression of love and mourning whilst symbolising the impact our cast has on other characters, with love and connection also being another main theme especially with Sukuna, whilst Kashimo served to explore the concept of the strongest and the isolation it brings in more detail (although I will agree Gege rushed it), with Ino also serving to show the legacy of Nanami which is inline with Todo's ideology that sorcerers never really die but live on in their successors with Ino never really being a focal point of the story and so I actually really appreciated his small moments in this fight as a relatively weak sorcerer just trying his best to help his friends. I thought it was a sweet addition for Gege to add with such a small character.
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Todo's relatively done nothing for the story though? If he does something new now, it won't come off the same way. Miguel and Laru's expression of love is about Geto as their "king" what he means to them, Sukuna's theme with love isn't really similar to theirs, considering how unused Geto's group is, I don't find this to be sufficient for writing, it just seems lazy. Glad you agree Gege rushed Kashimo, but I think its fine to say he ruined Kashimo's character as another representation of the strongest. True on Ino, but was that not already Yuji's point in Shibuya? Ino doesn't explore another aspect of it either, its just given through the weapon and him fighting, could've been done with better creativity.

Rosa said:
I do agree with this largely, I think Gege should explore the past some more and I think he will do so with all the hints we're getting about the heian era, although this so far is more so "man it'll be cool if Gege did x and y" and less "man this story has actual holes in it because we never got x and y" - we don't need to see the heian era for the current story to work, seeing the heian era would just amplify the story imo.
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It's not about the story not working without it, its about the writing lacking a major representation of Gege's biggest group not being explored in the story during a different time period. The history of a story is big in developing how we got to the current world. You can take Naruto showing us the previous ninjas wars moments or showing us previous events like Obito infiltrating Konoha, Uchiha massacre, Madara and Hashirama's backstory, Gaara's backstory, etc. Not showing historical events in your story when you reference them can make the story feel like it's lacking something writing wise.
 
Arkenis said:
Who's Yuji again?
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The GOAT
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You aren't ready for him to become top 1 in the verse
 
Sir_Marvulous said:
Oh don't get me wrong, my support for Yuji is part of why I don't like the most recent chapter
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Most importantly, the cast shouldn't even BE in the current situation. Yuta got hit with a slash that Sukuna charged with his secret pair of arms lmao

He's got another title and it's the Six Arms

I also blame he shall not be named. But from a meta perspective, I don't like this
 
Giannysmag said:
No
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Hakari got more stamina, stronger, more durable, faster domain, domain, auto rct, even for poison.

Giannysmag said:
Maybe
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Dude gets clipped by a random lightning discharge and gets destroyed in close combat. He won't even need ct but that'll be overkill.

Giannysmag said:
Debatable
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Sad that Maki is debatable. He can't sense her, she's got better senses, his rct not saving from SSK, and she's a better fighter.

Giannysmag said:
Definately not, Yuji is a complete counter to Ryu
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Get spammed by granite blast, the thing Yuji literally scales to. GB blocks anything Yuji has.

Sad to say but Shrine requires him touching them, blood manip he sucks at and can be blocked by their cts, simple domain won't matter he'll just get his ass beat in domain, especially by Hakari.
 
Arkenis said:
Hakari got more stamina, stronger, more durable, faster domain, domain, auto rct, even for poison.
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maybe like 100 chapters ago but not now, he does not have the level of black flash control, CE control and CT offense yuji does and its unknown if he can heal soul damage and yuji has been flatout pushing out soul strikes left right and center he loses and he loses badly to yuji
Arkenis said:
Dude gets clipped by a random lightning discharge and gets destroyed in close combat. He won't even need ct but that'll be overkill.
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random lighting bolt would remove a hand and yuji would blood bend it back into place like he did post sukuna's domain, hand to hand combat in this situation is likely the worst choice for kashimo because not only does yuji have the CQC benefits of his CT's such as cleave and blood bursting he also can pop off with black flashes and soul punches which are even more effective against kashimo as a reincarnated player, kashimo legit needs his CT to win if he doesn't use it he loses.
Arkenis said:
Sad that Maki is debatable. He can't sense her, she's got better senses, his rct not saving from SSK, and she's a better fighter.
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sure he can't but with how a 1v1 would go thats not all that necessery, true, he knowns the shape of his soul you silly goose much like sukuna he can heal that, debatable.

Now lets go over the advantages that yuji has over maki shall we? better AP with his attacks doing some seriouse damage to sukuna while anything that wasn't a sneak from maki doing exactly jack shit, better durability yuji flat out tanked a black flash from sukuna in 258 (he landed 7 black flashes and got hit by one from sukuna) while maki was either put on her ass with each of sukunas black flashes or taken out of the fight all together, greater versitility; maki's one big trick against yuji is SSK which he can heal due to his knowledge of the soul while yuji now has Black flash control, blood manip for better heals and light offense and shrine which at the bare minimum gives him cleave and finally yuji just flat out has better regen to maki by a country mile, any damage short of decap or bisection is not enough to put him down while something like damage to the heart will kill maki.
Arkenis said:
Get spammed by granite blast, the thing Yuji literally scales to. GB blocks anything Yuji has.
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yuta who yuji is relative too if not flat out superior in stats post awakening was able to avoid GBS no problem and was only ever struck either off guard or in point blank situation and got into CQC more often than not and the moment it gets to CQC yuji's soul strike are putting Ryu as an incarnated player in the ground because his one big shtick aka output is going straight out the window after a few punches or god forbid a black flash at which point Ryu who has no RCT is getting his shit rocked like there is no tomorrow and with droping output his one answere is domain and consisdering yuji was able to withstand sukuna's domain for 90ish seconds with his simple domain Ruy's domain is doing jack shit meaning no sure hit for Ryu while yuji's output is buffed by the simple domain and every time yuji gets close Ryu's ouput further drops.

Ryu stands a 0% chance here
Arkenis said:
Sad to say but Shrine requires him touching them, blood manip he sucks at and can be blocked by their cts, simple domain won't matter he'll just get his ass beat in domain, especially by Hakari.
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my guy your poor taste and lack of long term memory perturbs me.
 
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Sir_sun_man said:
maybe like 100 chapters ago but not now, he does not have the level of black flash control, CE control and CT offense yuji does and its unknown if he can heal soul damage and yuji has been flatout pushing out soul strikes left right and center he loses and he loses badly to yuji
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The Yuji you are talking about is a highly mental amped Yuji, it's not regular Yuji like we saw during his fight with Yuta and Sukuna. And Soul strikes are strictly for Sukuna, they are not and have never been shown to work on people with one soul in their body. Not sure where this belief came from but it seems like wank for Yuji fans.

Sir_sun_man said:
random lighting bolt would remove a hand and yuji would blood bend it back into place like he did post sukuna's domain, hand to hand combat in this situation is likely the worst choice for kashimo because not only does yuji have the CQC benefits of his CT's such as cleave and blood bursting he also can pop off with black flashes and soul punches which are even more effective against kashimo as a reincarnated player, kashimo legit needs his CT to win if he doesn't use it he loses.
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To the head, to the head, to the head. He's going for the head. Cleave is only good if it can adjust to the target, we see Yuji's cleave harms Sukuna but not enough to cut off his foreleg, let alone cause any serious harm, looks like it left basic cuts. Sukuna supports how weak it is as it's freshly awakened. Kashimo ~ Ryu ~ Sukuna Dismantle & Cleave > Yuji Cleave. Blood bursting does what? Kashimo just dodges or vaporizes it off his body.

Sir_sun_man said:
yuta who yuji is relative too if not flat out superior in stats post awakening was able to avoid GBS no problem and was only ever struck either off guard or in point blank situation and got into CQC more often than not and the moment it gets to CQC yuji's soul strike are putting Ryu as an incarnated player in the ground because his one big shtick aka output is going straight out the window after a few punches or god forbid a black flash at which point Ryu who has no RCT is getting his shit rocked like there is no tomorrow and with droping output his one answere is domain and consisdering yuji was able to withstand sukuna's domain for 90ish seconds with his simple domain Ruy's domain and doing jack shit meaning no sure hit for Ryu while yuji's output is buffed by the simple domain and every time yuji gets close Ryu's ouput further drops.
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In what way is Yuji higher post awakened? I think ya need to separate the feats they have from Black Flash zone amps from base cuz they aren't the same, nor is Yuji fighting the same person here. Also Ryu's GB output won't decrease, that's the point of the ct. Also just not harming him with bf, it's not strong enough at all besides beating on a weakened Sukuna. Simple Domain and Shrine are his only advantage here which Ryu fought in a era with strong sorcerers already using HWB, I doubt simple domain is gonna be enough here with every hit from Ryu rocking Yuji.

Realistically this is the only fight I see Yuji likely winning and it's definitely not easy.
 
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