Kazumi Subaru vs Yaegashi Shizuku

[Elione-Arisu]

• Both at 7-C

• Speed equalized

Who wins and why ?

Kazumi Subaru :

Yaegashi Shizuku :

Inconclusive :

 

[Kaltias]

Well, Kazumi seems a higher end of 7-C so she could brute force her way trought this if it comes to that. Doubt that it will, but she has the option.

Hajime>Tio>>>>>Tio while drained>>>>Human Tio while drained=3.1 kilotons

Kazumi>>>Oktavia>>>>Sayaka's AP>>Mami's dura>>Sayaka's dura>>>>Elly's dura=6.6 kilotons

 

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Well, the last 7-C tier of Hajime limit breaker>>>base hajime>previous limit breaker Hajime>>previous base Hajime>Tio etc.

 

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Actually his last tier 7-C can't use limit breaker cause that's already high 7-C.

 

[Kaltias]

Well, for Kazumi it's more like:

Kazumi > Whole group of the Pleiades Saints. (Who are more or less 10 iirc).

Each one of them should be significantly stronger than Oktavia in raw power as Oktavia is one of the weakest witches and they have fought a ton of them. The scaling for Oktavia is above.

 

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Likely, tho i am kinda looking at hax right now to figure out what Kazumi can do.

 

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Bruh, so much hax.

Kalitas explain what Kazumi can do

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Weird, just noticed hajime reasoning for being 7-C says "Overpowered Tio's attack, which could gouge the earth and disperse the clouds above in an instant" shouldn't be that, tio never dispersed any clouds, she just did a small town level+ feat in her human form while exhausted.

Anyway what 7-C version of hajime is being used? The first one is like this, hajime>tio in dragon form>tio in human form>tio while exhausted which is small town level+, then on top of that he can boost himself 3x.

The second one, is superior to the one from before in his base, but his limit break which makes him 3x stronger actually puts him at large town level, so this version is pretty close to the large town level. This version is the one with concept manipulation and existence erasure though.

 

[Elione-Arisu]

After Compensation Hajime, without that High 7-C thing of course

Looks like Shizuku is less haxed so again if it's too much I will change to her.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Shizuku, less hax? Lol, no shizuku would stomp this version of hajime, she is ridiculously haxed.

You know being able to cut stuff like minds, souls, stamina etc, this version of hajime would lose.

 

[Elione-Arisu]

Oh well, forget what I said. I hope it is still fair though.

 

[Kaltias]

Kalitas explain what Kazumi can do

>Implying that I fully understand the madness called Puella Magi Kazumi Magica.

Anyway, mind manipulation is in the form of forcing Hajime to suicide/deleting his memories.

Time manipulation is slowing down/speeding up time.

BFR is creating a book and trapping him inside.

Transmutation is turning objects into others (duh).

Power Mimicry is copying powers after seeing them (also duh).

Magic negation I don't remember.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

This version of hajime can't deal with all that hax.

Shizuku would indeed make this a better match up.

 

[Elione-Arisu]

I mean Karutiasu once told me that she would start with time manip and that some of those stuff work at close range but okay

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Hajime has no counter to time stop, neither does any arifureta character atm, maybe kaori does since she specializes in time magic but who knows haven't seen her in a serious fight in the after stories so far.

 

[Kaltias]

She doesn't have time stop, only acceleration and deceleration

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

So more akin to kaori who can shorten and stretch time then.

Hajime still has no counter to mind manipulation, BFR, Transmutation though

 

[Elione-Arisu]

Bump I guess

 

[Kaltias]

Well, Kazumi can probably regen from spatial manip, soul manip wouldn't affect her unless Shizuku hits the Soul Gem, mind manip is resisted (although Idk if the resistance is enough, speaking of which, how is Shizuku's) so there is that.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Shizuku's mind manipulation is in the form of cutting her opponents minds, she can even cut their consciousness, her ability soul demolition basically allows her to interfere with the immaterial of a living thing, it searches for the source of power in the target, the target's magic power, stamina, mind, soul etc can be cut with her ability.

As for her mind resistance, she resisted ehitorujue's divine statement which reverberates words directly into his target's soul and binds their consciousness at a subconscious level. Should also be comparable to tio who resisted her mind being destroyed, normally don't think such resistances should scale but shizuku is a better user of spirit magic which allows you to manipulate things like minds, souls etc than tio, i mean she is entirely focused on that while tio is more about summoning dragons and what not and even she could resist her mind being affected.

 

[Kaltias]

So it would basically be a homing attack targeting the soul gem? Although not sure if the mind part would work given that Kazumi can resist mindscrew that works on hundreds (that's the potency of Kazumi's own mindscrew as well). Not sure if resisting your mind being destroyed would give you resistance to something of that calibre, unless the mind destroying was on that scale

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Yea basically a homing attack targeting the targets soul/mind/source of power/stamina etc.

Shizuku has only cut the mind of like one person at a time, so don't think it will work on kazumi if she can resist her mind being manipulated, though thinking about it, being resistant to mind manipulation doesn't mean you can survive your mind being destroyed, same thing with soul manipulation.

Anyway shizuku also has power nullification, she can cut off her opponents source of power preventing them from using it, she used it to cut off kouki's source of power from him, which was ehito, an island level guy, who was supplying him with basically unlimited magic power as in he woudn't run out of power, shizuku cut that off though.

 

[Kaltias]

Ok.

Wouldn't that mean that the opposite is also true and that Shizuku wouldn't resist her mind being manipulated though. Unless the mind manip that she resisted is on that scale.

That's actually irrelevant if she automatically hits the SG as Kazumi dies if she does anyway.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Yea, shizuku's mind manipulation resistance from ehito was from having her mind being manipulated, from tio it was being destroyed, so she has both really, manipulation and destruction, the former affected like 6 ppl, the latter affected 2.

I forgot to mention, shizuku also has precog.

 

[Kaltias]

That doesn't sound enough to resist Kazumi's mind hax. Even the weakest witch in the series controlled 30+ people and Kazumi is far above that (likely above the witch who controlled every soldier in a town during PMTM as well)

How does her precog works?

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Her precog allows her to know her opponents next move, also is a sort of spidey sense where when she is in danger it activates telling her she will get hurt or whatever and that she has to do something to prevent that.

 

[Elione-Arisu]

Bump

 

[Elione-Arisu]

Bump

 

[Elione-Arisu]

Bump

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

So... Now shizuku has her smartphone which monitors her status and if any abnormality is happening to her, will fire a laser on her which will ressurect her, but it's not only that, if any abnormality happens to her it will do that, that laser has reproduction magic which is basically limited time manipulation which restores things to it's previous state. So whatever shizuku's state is, it will be returned to before...

 

[Kaltias]

Can't Kazumi like, break the smartphone? All her attacks have pretty big AoE, if they hit Shizuku they hit the smartphone too

 

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Don't think they are that stupid. They protected them in some way i suppose.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Would she know about the smartphone though? And no you can't break it, it's kept in a pocket dimension or whatever, like in those cartoons where they pull objects out of thin air, hajime and co do the same, store their equipment in a separate space.

Albeit she would have to have the smartphone out to use it, but yea kazumi still has no knowledge on it.

Also i wouldn't be surprised if the smart phone can regen, literally everything hajime makes has reproduction magic allowing it to repair itself.

 

[Kaltias]

She doesn't need to. The first thing that Shizuku herself would do would be breaking it if mindscrewed, because she would be trying to suicide and would actively try to prevent surviving (see Hitomi who was stopping Madoka from saving her). Even then, she can kill/mindscrew her before she pull out it. And it doesn't sound like something preventing BFR either.

Also, a smartphone hit by a 7-C attack gets kinda atomized.

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

Just remembered this is 7-C shizuku, forget what i said, 7-C shizuku doesn't have the phone, 6-C shizuku is the one who does.