Guacamolefletcher
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Introduction / why
As we all know, Kenpachi was stronger as a kid due to his mental nerfs. The anime gives us some insane implications on this.Main evidence
While Unohana is describing his previous opponents, and how he could've beat them without mental nerfs, she gives specific examples. She mentions Kenny's fights with Ichigo and Nnoitora directly, but the new information is as she's expalining the mental nerfs leading to him losing or narrowly winning, we get a flashback to Kenpachi's fight with Royd Lloyd/ Fake Yhwach.Right after she says:
"...Was it because they were strong? I'm sure that's how it seemed to the others. But I knew that wasn't the case"
The implication is that he didn't lose to Royd Lloyd because of his strength, but rather because of the power supression. This implies a non-mentally nerfed Kenpachi could beat Royd Lloyd, and this would also scale him to Shikai Yamamoto.
Supporting evidence
As Unohana finishes her fight with Kid Kenpachi, she says "this child is worthy of the title Kenpachi."The actual Japanese raw subtitles say:
《この子だ…。この子こそが剣八の名を持つに ふさわしい》
This child... This child is truly worthy of bearing the name 'Kenpachi.'
We know through 30 sources (I'll only use one as to not clutter the profiles), the title of Kenpachi means "the strongest shinigami," that would imply she thinks he is the strongest shinigami in actuality. Though this shouldn't extend to things like Yamamoto's bankai, as that's far too speculative, it does support the idea that he's in that Shikai Yama tier, and likely stronger.
Consistency check
After he regains his full power, she states he has an opponent that he an fight to his heart's content, showing the real Yhwach. This is actually consistent because if Kenpachi could've beat Royd, who is accepted as holding around 75% of the real Yhwach's power, it stands to reason that he can fight evenly with the real Yhwach. Furthermore, she also states he will have 3 rivals who he'll be able to fight, those being Byakuya, Renji, and FB Ichigo. This is very consistent because FB Bankai Ichigo can fight evenly with Yhwach, and also has scaling above Shikai Yamamoto (FB Bankai Ichigo > Kisuke ~ Base Aizen ~ Shikai Yama), so it makes sense he'd be able to fight evenly with IchigoFinally, while I acknowledge Byakuya and Renji do not end up at this level, this doesn't cause any contradictions. While she says this, she's assuming they'll grow to that level through squad 0 training. Eventhough they are obviously not at that level in CFYOW, they surely CAN have the potential to grow to that level. Regardless, it doesn't change anything for the sake of this CRT, and is irrelevant.
Scaling:
My idea is to keep all the eyepatch-on Kenpachi scaling the same, and to scale him to the same AP values and calcs, while giving eyepatch-less Kenpachi the scaling to Yamamoto, so we'd end up withEyepatch base Kenpachi: 14.169 Exatons
Eyepatch Shikai Kenpachi: 113.35 Exatons via the calc
Base Kenpachi: 133.05 Exatons via scaling to the real Yhwach and FBB Ichigo
Shikai Kenpachi: higher with Shikai
This would also be his new justification:
At least Multi-Continent level (Consistently has the upper hand against Gremmy[37][Statistics Values 9]), Moon level with Nozarashi (Zaraki obliterates a meteor[46][Statistics Values 10]), higher without eyepatch (Zaraki begins to catch up with Unohana while she trains him[38], eventually matching her[39], and then killing Bankai Unohana[40]. During the process of training with her, Zaraki removed[41] many limiters which are strongly implied to be the reason he lost against Royd Lloyd. This would mean Kenpachi is capable of defeating Royd Lloyd without them. Furthermore, he regains his past strength[43], which is stronger[44] than Unohana's power[45]. That strength is deemed worthy of the title 'Kenpachi' by Unohana, which means he is worthy of being called the strongest shinigami. He is stated to be capable of fighting evenly with Fullbring Bankai Ichigo and fighting to his heart's content with the real Yhwach.), even higher with Nozarashi, far higher with Bankai
Note: Eventhough we used to accept Zaraki's shikai as an 8x multiplier because he goes from being around 1 Gremmy level in base (+eyepatch) to surpassing 8 Gremmy's with it (+eyepatch), this doesn't abide by our multiplier standards, so it's just way safer to say "higher with Shikai"
Also obviously, thanks to Arc and Deceived
Agree: Lephyr, LordTracer
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