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Leon Belmont vs Yhwach
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Hellscream
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Is trolling accepted btw?
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I was about to mention that.
Tell me, did Jugram instantly use his Balance? No. He attacked, the attack did nothing. And that means a fortune for Cang du.
Then Jugram said "Your second good fortune", and then the skill activated and cut the Cang du.
The opotent must have a fortune for the ability to work. You're saying that Yhwach will immediately use the ability to kill Leon, but for that part of the ability to work, Leon needs to have a good fortune.
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Are you trying to say the balance only work if you’re injured? If so that’s not true look at the case when jugram used it against, cang du.
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The good fortune is the attack not working??
Hello?
You literally said it yourself?
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Question
Does the opponent need to experience something that can be considered “Good Luck” before Balance can become effective? Yes or No?
If the answer is no
Then at what point did Jugram use the Balance to inflict misfortune without the need of his opponents experiencing any good fortune?
and if the answer is yes
Then balance sucks because any good fortune that Leon experiences will be a first turn kill considering most of his options are an insta-win if they connect and given the 2-C range of his magical options they will
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@Hellscream So he’d need to attack first and then use it? That still doesn’t convince me that he’d survive anything Leon throws at him, let alone prove he uses the ability in character.
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Yes? Lucky went from Cang du.
Literally Jugram says this.
When the attack did nothing in Cang du, Jugram says that this was his second good fortune.
And then he says "The scale is tipping", and then cuts Cang du.
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I commented on it.
Jugram initially did not harm Cang du, and that was a good fortune for Cang du.
Jugram comments "Your second good fortune"
Jugram says this: "the scale is tipping"
For me it is clear that the opponent needs to have the good fortune necessary for the scales to tip and then this skill will work.
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With this fight and the Metal Sonic one…
There really should be a thread on what exactly the limits of this fate manipulation are. As far as people resisting it.
Can Yhwach even resurrect himself from an attack of someone who resists fate hax? It’s really up to interpretation.
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Agreed
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No they don't, How is being able to block an attack with pure stat check good fortune?
It literally has nothing to do with fortune.
It's literally jugram altering probability, which is what it's stated to do.
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i don’t see why he couldn’t resurrect himself just because his opponent resist fate manipulation, yhwach is using fate manipulating on himself instead of the opponent in that instance.
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Jugram calls blocking an attack with pure statcheck "good fortune" and proceeeds to slice him in half
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@foxhunter he’s fighting someone who literally negs resurrection, it’s not going to help him.
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His res is via changing the future so that the attack never killed him, so technically it would involve not just himself but the power of the opponent he’s fighting.
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There is not a single argument about resurrection
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I wasn’t referring to Leon, just in general, I vote for Leon because he have a more reasonable wincon.
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This is obvious? Jugram attacked Cang Du and caused no injuries. Not taking injuries from the attack is good luck for Cang Du.
Cang Du not being hurt by the attack is good fortune, Jugram .literally says so.
"Your second good fortune"
He is, but for him to do that, the scales need to tip, which happened when Cang Du received a second good fortune.
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I don't remember anyone AIM dodging X axis can you show me a character doing that. Also here speed is equal.
Infinite possibilities* it's not just normal futures.
- X axis is not just spatial manipulation. Concepts of dodging itself doesn't matter it ignores durability+Manipulates to hit the target
- With Almighty yhwach can manipulate infinite possibilities of future on his opponent and himself.
- Also almighty has Passive Powernull for everything in Bleach.
Anyway I am still neutral.
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No mate, that's not luck based at all.
Tanking an attack and being completely unharmed due to pure stat check has nothing to do with luck at all.
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I know I’m just talking about like generally.
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No I meant is it possible to aim dodge it?
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It was never dodged, so that would be an assumption.
And it's not like characters wouldn't think of that, all of them are combat geniuses.
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Definitely I don't see anyone aim dodging X axis (in equal speed). Atleast Infinite to immeasurable speed needed. Beside it's about Manipulating Logic. So definitely I don't see it.
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Yes it is, Jugram literally says it.
Cang Du receives the blow --> Jugram says "your second good fortune" --> Right after that Jugram says again "The scale is tipping" --> And then Cang Du is cut.
It is clear that to use this specific skill, the scales need to tip, and for that the opponent needs to have enough good fortune.
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You can consider anything as good fortune in that way, bemont being stronger is good fortune, him having a big left toe is good fortune, him not having a receding hairline is good fortune etc etc
His left ******** hanging a little more compared to the right is good fortune as well.
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In this context jugram is literally deciding what's considered as good fortune and what isn't.
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IDK how this shit got this long but Leon for ppl on the first page's reasonings
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That would be headcanon. Jugram knows about his own abilities. He knows what is considered good fortune for the enemy or not. And for Balance, not being hurt by a blow is a good fortune.
Again, he is the user of the Balance. He knows what the Balance considers good fortune for the opponent.
And of these things, we have the information that not being injured by a Jugram attack is good fortune.
What is and what is not good fortune for the opponent outside of what is shown in the manga, is just assumptions.
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Fate resistance negs this schrift , cope
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Being unharmed by an attack that can't even scratch you in the first place due to the difference in durability is not good fortune
it literally has nothing to do with it
Jugram simply determined and said it was good fortune.
0 headcanon.
it literally has nothing to do with it
Jugram simply determined and said it was good fortune.
0 headcanon.
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Yes it is, literally Jugram spoke.
And I'm sure he knows more of his own abilities than you do.
He determined this, because the Balance considers it a good fortune.
He literally speaks after "The scale is tipping"
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