Make Anos Great Again (MAGA) - Some minor additions/upgrades

[ThienDe01]

bump

 

[ROZAN-U]

Make a summary of the abilities that remained after the disagreement and beg some mods to review

 

[ThienDe01]

Ballot summary​

1. Abilities agreed upon by many member:

• Free Movement, Resistance Magma Manipulation, Platform Creation, Darkness Manipulation, Instinctive Action: 6 member
• Absorption: 6 member
• Divine Sword Roduier has immeasurable attack speed: 2 member

2. Abilities opposed by many members and will not be applied: Nonexistent Physiology - Type 1 (Limited); Avos Dilhevia possesses the Magic Eyes of Mauve; Source of Spirit = Plot Fndamental; Evansmana AP.
3. Divine Sword Roduier has immeasurable attack speed: This is an ability that 3 members disagree with. Among these 3 members, 2 members disagree but do not provide reasons.

 

[ThienDe01]

Make a summary of the abilities that remained after the disagreement and beg some mods to review

where should I go to ask the administrators to review

 

[Cipher72]

where should I go to ask the administrators to review

Reply to the ones that have given their opinions in this thread and ask them to ping other staff or go to the message wall of staff that hasn't given their opinions, link the thread and ask them to evaluate.

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

this thread shouldn't even exist it should be over

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

this thread shouldn't even exist it should be over

Immeasurable speed divine sword from nousgalia doesn't even make sense because not only is it wildly out of place with the rest of the series and characters scaling at that point, it more than enough refers to it not hitting a legitimately other than what would be a scratch for Shin so he avoided a direct enough blow despite it going through his armor

Edit: Also, absorption can stay, it's fine

 

[ThienDe01]

this thread shouldn't even exist it should be over

Did you know that you are one of the reasons this thread hasn't been resolved yet? Because you refuse to present your arguments against what you have been refuting.

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

Did you know that you are one of the reasons this thread hasn't been resolved yet? Because you refuse to present your arguments against what you have been refuting.

look now.

 

[ThienDe01]

Immeasurable speed divine sword from nousgalia doesn't even make sense because not only is it wildly out of place with the rest of the series and characters scaling at that point, it more than enough refers to it not hitting a legitimately other than what would be a scratch for Shin so he avoided a direct enough blow despite it going through his armor

I've already explained this before.

The scan only mentions that the divine sword struck the armor and tore it apart, immediately followed by a mention that Shin "dodged" it before it cut through his flesh. This sentence doesn't mention anything about it actually cutting through flesh, only denying it.

In the next sentence, the author states that Shin was bleeding, meaning Shin was indeed struck.

Connecting the events, we get: Divine sword struck Shin -> Armor shattered but not hit his flesh (because Shin dodged) -> Shin bled = his flesh was cut.

This aligns with the immeasurable attack speed as I explained above.

Now I will explain it in more detail for you:

The golden flames completed their transformation into the golden Divine Sword Roduier. The blade tore through Shin’s black armor, but he evaded before it reached his flesh. A single piece of paper, accompanied by a slight spattering of blood, fell from the torn armor. It was the page Reno had given Shin two thousand years ago.

The divine sword struck Shin's flesh (which is why Shin was bleeding), even though Shin dodged the blow before it hit his skin.

• Normally, Shin dodging the sword strike wouldn't cause him to bleed, as it's stated that he dodged it before the strike even made contact with his skin.
• But here, even though Shin dodged the slash, he still bled (of course, blood only comes out when the flesh is cut). This proves that Shin was still hit by the sword strike despite dodging it.

Shin dodged the attack but was still struck; this is what makes the divine sword's speed immeasurable.

Immeasurable speed characters are far beyond even those Infinite speed characters listed above. They perceive infinite speed characters as completely frozen, and they can travel forward and backward in time at will. They have the speed necessary to hop from the beginning of time, to the end of time, and anywhere in between as casually as a human being can roll their eyes left or right. This also means their reaction time is faster than instantaneous. They can dodge an attack that already has been struck, and they can strike someone even before they launched an attack. And they can do all of this via sheer speed.

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

I've already explained this before.

You're not listening.

 

[ThienDe01]

Edit: Also, absorption can stay, it's fine

ok

 

[ThienDe01]

You're not listening.

I have always been ready to respond to any point people make. How can you expect me to listen to you when you simply disagree but don't offer your arguments?

 

[ThienDe01]

Reply to the ones that have given their opinions in this thread and ask them to ping other staff or go to the message wall of staff that hasn't given their opinions, link the thread and ask them to evaluate.

Thank you for your feedback.

 

[Ruler_Star_Kuma]

I have always been ready to respond to any point people make. How can you expect me to listen to you when you simply disagree but don't offer your arguments?

A speed ranking this early that absolutely messes up the scaling, isn't consistent within its own fight or messes up that of later fights involving Shin surely has much precedence..

 

[Tatsumi504]

Bruh, it says Shin evaded before the sword reached his flesh. I'm guessing you're basing your point on the blood despite "Shin dodging before it got to his flesh" so let's break it down.

[QUOTE]Roduier> Tears through armor> Shin evaded before getting a flesh wound> Shin still bleeds. [/QUOTE]
There's actually a basis for what you're proposing but the problem is how extreme of an interpretation it is when there's lower interpretations that make sense and that's the fact that the sword would've reached is skin before he completed his evasion. The sword didn't magically stop moving within that timeframe and yes, one can bleed from surface level wounds. There's literally a calc for this on the verse page

 

[ROZAN-U]

The divine sword struck Shin's flesh (which is why Shin was bleeding), even though Shin dodged the blow before it hit his skin.

• Normally, Shin dodging the sword strike wouldn't cause him to bleed, as it's stated that he dodged it before the strike even made contact with his skin.
• But here, even though Shin dodged the slash, he still bled (of course, blood only comes out when the flesh is cut). This proves that Shin was still hit by the sword strike despite dodging it.

Shin dodged the attack but was still struck; this is what makes the divine sword's speed immeasurable.

idk how I didn't see this wank but,
So, What basically happens is Shin seemingly dodges before the sword hits him but wasn't actually completely able to and the sword grazes him, how does that even fall into the example you showed?

They can dodge an attack that already has been struck. Ignores the effect that already has happened.
they can strike someone even before they launched an attack. Effect happens before the cause

Cause= nousgalaia strikes
Effect= Shin gets hits (shin didn't ignore something that has already hit him)
Everything is normal here

 

[ROZAN-U]

oh, wanksumi already made a reply

 

[Cipher72]

Shin dodged the attack but was still struck;

Sounds like logic manipulation to me
Anyways I didn't give my opinion on the imm speed but it's going to be a disagree for me because

• There isn't enough evidence
• Unless I am mistaken you can bleed without having your flesh cut as long as it reaches the dermis. Like your typical paper cuts or cuts from glass.

 

[ThienDe01]

There's actually a basis for what you're proposing but the problem is how extreme of an interpretation it is when there's lower interpretations that make sense and that's the fact that the sword would've reached is skin before he completed his evasion. The sword didn't magically stop moving within that timeframe and yes, one can bleed from surface level wounds. There's literally a calc for this on the verse page

So, What basically happens is Shin seemingly dodges before the sword hits him but wasn't actually completely able to and the sword grazes him, how does that even fall into the example you showed?

You two are misunderstanding the text. The author clearly states that "evaded BEFORE it reached his flesh," not that Shin tried to dodge or that Shin didn't completely dodge as you two are saying.
In linear time, if action A (Shin dodges) is completed before event B (Sword touches Shin) occurs, then event B cannot happen. Therefore, there will be no situation where Shin hasn't completely dodged the attack.

the sword would've reached is skin before he completed his evasion.

Your statement completely contradicts the author's claim that the slash didn't even touch the flesh (because Shin dodged it beforehand).

Unless I am mistaken you can bleed without having your flesh cut as long as it reaches the dermis. Like your typical paper cuts or cuts from glass.

To claim this was just a 'graze' or a 'surface wound' is to directly contradict the author. If the sword never reached the flesh, there is no physical medium for a 'graze' to occur, as a graze still requires physical contact with the skin/dermis.

 

[ThienDe01]

A speed ranking this early that absolutely messes up the scaling, isn't consistent within its own fight or messes up that of later fights involving Shin surely has much precedence..

I don't think it will significantly affect Shin's speed because that's in Volume 4. We scale Shin's speed mainly through the Blood Spear (which is now poorly translated), so it won't affect him much. Just like how Shin initially lagged behind the inhabitants of the deeper levels, but ultimately he was able to solo the Fourth Demon Lord without being at a disadvantage in terms of speed.
I'm not sure if this will have any effect on the other characters.

 

[ROZAN-U]

Snip

It's not misunderstanding, flesh is the soft muscle part between skin and bones. So him evading before it reaches his flesh but gets grazed in his skin is a completely normal thing to happen.

 

[Cipher72]

To claim this was just a 'graze' or a 'surface wound' is to directly contradict the author. If the sword never reached the flesh, there is no physical medium for a 'graze' to occur, as a graze still requires physical contact with the skin/dermis.

Wdym
Epidermis ≠ Dermis ≠ Hypodermis (Flesh)

 

[ThienDe01]

I'll use this here. In summary, the wank will not be accepted and will not be applied to the profile.