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Paraconsistent addition for MGKverse

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Hello everyone, today I’m going to present the concept of Paraconsistency in the MGKverse.
Let’s begin right away.
GOD
Gods are Order itself — absolute existences.

General Order
The God of Depth looked over at Misha.
“There was something Militia once said to the Four Principles. She
claimed that the orders of destruction and creation were, despite being
equal, unbalanced—that for some unknown reason, there was slightly
more destruction than creation.”
“I have no memory of that,” Misha said.
“Then I shall describe the events to you. At the time, this is how I
answered: order is always correct. If something appears to be broken, then
it must have always been broken. There is no reduction that can be
confirmed, only an adjustment to the correct amount.”
It was a typical answer for a god; order was always correct, while
everything else was wrong.
“However, I was mistaken. My answer now would be different. Order
was indeed disturbed. The world had been tilted towards destruction by
Misfit Anos Voldigoad in a way too subtle for the Four Principles to
notice.”
“It wasn’t Anos’s doing,” Misha replied.
“Aye.”
Dilfred immediately agreed with Misha’s denial, causing her to blink in
surprise.
“And yet, nay. Demon King Anos stole the order of destruction from
the world. I am aware that he abhorred destruction. But at the same time,
he was a Misfit.”
“What do you mean?” Misha asked.
With Divine Eyes that could see into the abyss, Dilfred stared into
empty space in thought before answering.
“The world is full of various orders. Life is born, deepens, meets its
demise, and then changes. This is the cycle based on the order of the Four
Principles. And so I ask you this, Goddess of Creation. What is the
opposite of the order of destruction?”
Misha paused for a brief moment.
“The order of creation.”
“Aye, that is what I once believed. But then I realized—this was most
likely incorrect. The opposite of the order of destruction isn’t the order of creation. This is because destruction and creation are two sides of the same
order, and Militia and Abernyu are two sisters, two sides of a divine coin,”
the God of Depth said in a serious tone.
He folded his hands together and closed his Eyes as though he was
staring deeply inside, at his own thoughts.
“Gods are order. Thus, we can only judge things based on order. This is
why we failed to notice the truth. But I pondered and pondered, lost in my
thoughts for a long time—and I came to this realization.”
Dilfred continued his long-winded explanation.
“Let us assume the current amount of creation in the world has a value
of one. What would be required to remove this creation from the world
without destroying the god? Adding a value of one to the order of
destruction? Nay, that would only mean one item is created, and one item
is destroyed. Creation is still happening. Destruction merely happens
afterwards.”
Dilfred brought his folded hands to his mouth, the fingers of his left
hand lightly tapping the back of his right.
“So what can be done? Misfit Anos Voldigoad, what are your thoughts
on this?” Dilfred asked.
“If you don’t mind an armchair theory, I can provide one easily,” I
replied.
“Let us hear it.”
“Instead of using the opposite of creation, use the opposite of order. In
other words, to destroy the order of creation, you use the chaos of creation.
That is, if that’s even possible.”
“Aye.”
Dilfred pointed at me.
“The absence of order is called chaos—this is the same thought we had.
But at the same time, it’s a little different. It’s not that order is missing; it’s
that chaos exists at all. If order is correct, then chaos is the wrong law of
nature. And that is what your source of destruction really is.”
Divine Eyes quietly opened.
“Demon King Anos. This is the knowledge I, the God of Depth, have
obtained from sinking into the abyss and staring at its depths. You are the
cause of this world’s ruin.”

From Dilfed’s statement, we learn that a single “coin” possesses two Orders existing simultaneously as complementary opposites.
Every Order possesses an opposite counterpart, such as Wenzel and Andeluc, as well as Miritia and Abernyu. However, despite being opposites, they are still “two sides of the same coin,” incapable of meeting one another.
When the sun of destruction spreads despair, there can be no moon of creation shining its light to nurture life.
This demonstrates that Order embodies both truth and falsehood simultaneously, existing together as a dual structure.

2 Truth States


Oneness Order / Greater Order

To a misfit like Graham, arranging the birth of Equis was basically an
act of suicide. But even so, he wanted to know.
“All the gods together form a single order. The cogs of the pillager
control each god individually. The cogs are invisible and have no will of
their own. If they had a will, they would have been noticed long ago. The
gods perceive this cog as their own order.”
They couldn’t speak, and couldn’t be seen. Thus, it was only natural to
assume the cogs were the gods’ own inner impulses.
“If there truly are cogs that cannot be seen, then it wouldn’t be an
exaggeration to say that the order of this entire world has been formed by
the pillager. They alone are the one deciding who the misfits and purists
are.”
So what had to be done to see them? The answer was awfully simple.
“Graham gathered the gods’ powers in a single place, each one with a
cog implanted within them, and fed them to an unborn fetus. If all the gods
together were designed to form a single order, then naturally, each of their
cogs should fit against each other. And if they fit against each other, then
collecting a large number of them should eventually result in a single clear
mind that could move by itself. This,” I concluded, “was Graham’s
hypothesis.”
Although each cog individually had no will of their own, they were all
pointed in the same direction of order. In other words, they did have a will,
but divided so finely among them that it seemed as if they didn’t. This also
was part of Graham’s theory—he must have sensed some kind of will in
the overall order of the world that the gods were aiming for. All of his
experimentation was in service of trying to prove this. But because he
couldn’t perceive the cogs, he didn’t even know himself if they actually
existed or if he was just imagining everything.
But knowing that man, that wouldn’t have stopped him from trying.
And so the entire world was dragged into his unhinged magic experiment.
Perhaps that way of thinking was why he had been branded a misfit.

The gods themselves do not possess freedom. They merely function as subordinate mechanisms operating according to their designated “Order.”
When these smaller gears are united, they interlock and become the “One Great Order.”

The state of Equis represents the condition in which all Orders are unified into oneness. Every possible state becomes contained within it; it is the authority of being oneness
3 Truth States
(Encompassing the General Orders)

Order of Absurdity
“The Goddess of Absurdity is said to have silver hair and possess the
Magic Eyes of Absurdity,” Arcana said. “I might have once met the god
that destroys order.”
“In other words, the fused form of Sasha and Misha. Hmm. Not having
a name sure is inconvenient. How about we call you Aisha? Or would you
prefer something else?” I asked.
The silver-haired girl nodded. “Aisha’s fine. It’s a good name. I like it.”
“Let’s call the fused form of the Magic Eyes of Creation and
Destruction the Magic Eyes of Omneity. What you’re trying to say is that
Aisha could be Genedonov, the Goddess of Absurdity. Is that right,
Arcana?”
“Yes. The Goddess of Absurdity continuously defied order. Gods
remain gods when they reincarnate, but Genedonov might have resisted
It was a fearsome power, worthy of the Goddess of Absurdity's title. Perhaps Graham had even played a part in its formation-had even devised this method to defeat Equis after the altered Selection Trial set up the possibility of Equis's birth. After all, Arcana's powers as the Goddess of Absurdity had awakened just as Equis manifested and the Goddesses of Destruction and Creation were revived. It was hard to imagine that it was only a coincidence. If Levihelorta turned order into absurdity, then it should be able to render Equis, a collective body of order, powerless. All of Equis's power would become the Goddess of Absurdity's.

However...

"Moon rises; sun falls. Winter arrives in the godless world."

Arcana sheathed the Sword of Absurdity. Levihelorta faded with a burst of

petals.

She then floated on the ocean, entirely drained of strength. She had used so much power that her body was drained of all magic. Despite her flawless victory, her source was exhausted-Arcana was battered and could fight no more.

Considering the events at Gadeciola, did Graham intend for me to be the proxy with Arcana's powers? Or had he wanted to obtain those powers for himself? Either way, the powers of absurdity were probably the only thing that could defeat Equis. If Levihelorta was active, then Equis's powers wouldn't affect the world the way they wanted it to. Whatever destruction they wanted to wreck wouldn't affect the earth.

"You want to protect this world, don't you?" Arcana murmured softly.

Weak and feeble, she faced the sky. The solar eclipse was still in motion.

"This time, I will protect what's precious to you, big brother."

Arcana’s Order destroys logic itself and contradicts all other Orders.

The Order of Absurdity simultaneously represents both destruction and creation at the same time.

Graham created Arcana for the purpose of opposing the Order of Equis.

Arcana’s interference contradicts even the Oneness of the Chief God — the seed of will born from encompassing every Order. She was capable of resisting even the power of the Chief God. Thus, it becomes both “everything” and “not everything” simultaneously.

4 Truth States
(Neither/encompasses restricted by Oneness)

Arcana/paradox

At that, Ceris smiled kindly. “Genedonov, Goddess of Absurdity, bears
an order that opposes order. She defies her own order, deceives gods and

Arcana’s Order is the Order of contradiction itself — an Order that opposes laws, opposes logic, and even opposes its own contradictory nature established beforehand.

5 Truth States
(Neither even the Order of Absurdity)

All Order has its own logic.
That logic functions as the structure or operational process governing the Order itself.

For example, the Order of Destruction destroys all things until they are reduced to 0.

This occurs according to the logic that governs how the Order operates in that manner, which is why it encompasses all Orders.

6 Truth state (encompasses of all order This includes order of the Arena.)

Nihility

I stared at the spot where he had been with my Magic Eyes. His source was gone, and his body was gone too. But there was no doubt he was still there.

"The existence of nothing, huh?"

What actively existed in his place was "nothing" there was no other way of describing it.

"I'm surprised you noticed," Graham said. His voice seemed to be coming out of nowhere and everywhere at once. "Indeed, just like how your source is one of destruction, mine is one of nihility. The closer I approach destruction, the more of that power is brought out, and the more I return to my original state of nothingness."

Graham's body was faintly visible again. After being reduced to nothingness through Egil Grone Angdroa, he had regained his original power. But by regaining his original power, he could no longer actually be nothing, and so returned to his earlier state.

Eventually, Nuelien's nihility faded, and Graham stood there in his usual form.

"Generally, it would be strange for 'nothing' to be 'something. But your existence is quite similar, isn't it?" he asked, flapping his tongue uselessly. "You were born with destruction."
Vol.8 chatper nihility
You also exist outside the bounds of this world's reason. It's why the gods call you a misfit," he continued.
We are outside the bounds of reason. They do not
apply to us. Why do you think we’ve been removed from the framework of this
world’s order?”
Vol.8 Chatper nihility
The Abolisher of Reason, Venuzdonoa-a sword that possesses the power of Abernyu, the Goddess of Destruction. Yet even with that absurd power, it's impossible for you to permanently destroy my nihility," Graham said.

His upper body had escaped from Venuzdonoa's blade and was gradually fading back into nothingness. There was nothing to be detected-no magic at all-but he was definitely still there.

"Under the order of this world, destruction is the reduction of something to nothing. Yet before the Abolisher of Reason, which can destroy anything and everything, logic itself unravels. Thus, the effect of your blade only works up until the target is destroyed, no?" his voice echoed from the surrounding nothingness. "But the nothing left after perishing-the nothingness that is not bound by reason that is the true form of my source."
Vol.8 chatper beyond the bounds of reason
“Nihility is something beyond the framework of reason, logic, and all forms of order.

It is absolute nothingness devoid of reason, logic, and order.”

7-8 Truth State (Neither everything before) and true Nothingness outside the logic of Nothingness, outside of logic.

Chaos

"Instead of using the opposite of creation, use the opposite of order. In other words, to destroy the order of creation, you use the chaos of creation. That is, if that's even possible."

"Aye."

Dilfred pointed at me.

"The absence of order is called chaos this is the same thought we had. But at the same time, it's a little different. It's not that order is missing; it's that chaos exists at all. If order is correct, then chaos is the wrong law of nature. And that is what your source of destruction really is."

Chaos is disorder, and the opposite of order.
ご感想ありがとうございますっ!

ノウスガリアがどうやって生まれたか問題につきましては、一番最初の生物がどうやって誕生したのか、 ということに近いと思うのですよー。

最初は秩序などなく、混沌だけがあり、そのうちに偶発的に秩序が生まれ(あるいは混沌から先に世界が生まれ) 神となって、それが天父神だったり、創造神(世界を生んだ混沌が秩序と化し)となった、的な感じでしょうか。とりあえず、本編では語られていないので、ざっくりとしたイメージですが。

リア充への理滅剣(笑)

きっと剣なのに、切ったら爆発するんでしょうねぇ。

Thank you for your comments!
Regarding the question of how Nousgalia was born, I think it is close to the matter of how the very first living being came into existence.
At first, there was no order at all there was only chaos, and eventually order was born accidentally (or alternatively, the world was born first from chaos), became a god, and that became things such as the Heavenly Father God or the Creator God (the chaos that gave birth to the world becoming order), something like that, perhaps. For now, since it has not been spoken about in the main story, it is just a rough image.
The Reason Destroying Sword against normies lol
Surely, even though it is a sword, if it cuts, it probably explodes

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The opposite of all Order the "other side of the coin" is Chaos. It is not that the absence of order creates chaos; rather, Chaos existed first as the primordial state, and from it, structure emerged and became Order.

9 Truth State (Primordial state or Neither)

Wank Nihility

Graham's source had vanished during his battle with Aeges. When he regenerated afterwards, he was able to destroy the Crimson Blood Spear easily. If I hadn't witnessed that firsthand, I could have been missing an entire arm instead.

I stared at the spot where he had been with my Magic Eyes. His source was gone, and his body was gone too. But there was no doubt he was still there.

"The existence of nothing, huh?"

What actively existed in his place was "nothing" there was no other way of describing it.

"I'm surprised you noticed," Graham said. His voice seemed to be coming out of nowhere and everywhere at once. "Indeed, just like how your source is one of destruction, mine is one of nihility. The closer I approach destruction, the more of that power is brought out, and the more I return to my original state of nothingness.
The Abolisher of Reason, Venuzdonoa-a sword that possesses the power of Abernyu, the Goddess of Destruction. Yet even with that absurd power, it's impossible for you to permanently destroy my nihility," Graham said.

His upper body had escaped from Venuzdonoa's blade and was gradually fading back into nothingness. There was nothing to be detected-no magic at all-but he was definitely still there.

"Under the order of this world, destruction is the reduction of something to nothing. Yet before the Abolisher of Reason, which can destroy anything and everything, logic itself unravels. Thus, the effect of your blade only works up until the target is destroyed, no?" his voice echoed from the surrounding nothingness. "But the nothing left after perishing-the nothingness that is not bound by reason that is the true form of my source.
“But I’m not talking philosophy,” Graham replied. “I’m speaking about the
world. About order and magic. We are outside the bounds of reason. They do not
apply to us. Why do you think we’ve been removed from the framework of this
world’s order?”
If you keep using the power of Venuzdonoa, I will keep perishing. But is that demon sword capable of maintaining its shape forever? Especially since this isn't your Demon King Castle."

He had a point. Venuzdonoa had a time limit-it couldn't keep destroying the order of nihility for eternity. No magic could stop order from returning to its original form forever. When the sword was sheathed, reason would return, the normal order of things would resume, and the nothingness left behind would form Graham once again.
First, Graham’s nothingness was irrational and existed beyond the domain of all order.
It was completely devoid of order, possessing none of the properties or values associated with any form of order.

When Venuzdonoa destroyed the logic governing Graham’s nothingness, that nothingness was reborn within a newly established framework of logic, severed from its former framework, and adapted itself to the conditions of the Destroyer of Reason.


As previously stated, logic is meaningless before the Destroyer of Reason.

What Graham meant was that if Venuzdonoa continued slashing at him, his nothingness would repeatedly discard its previous logical framework, over and over again, causing it to attain an even deeper and more transcendent state than before.

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Due to the limitations of time, Anos chose to use his own source to destroy the Eternal Nihility.

When nihility and destruction clash against each other, nihility reduces everything to zero.

However, once the sources themselves collided, destruction overcame and surpassed nihility.
“Your nihility may need to be destroyed billions of times in order to completely disappear, but something like that is trivial for the depths of my source. It will happen just on contact alone.”
Anos stated that merely touching destruction would destroy nihility billions of times over.
“Deep within my source, nihility was smothered by destruction.”
Now, here is what I want to explain about nihility: it was not newly created. Nihility existed from the very beginning. Layers upon layers of nihility continue endlessly, becoming deeper and deeper.

The deeper the nihility, the more it transcends and discards the previous logic, existing beyond it entirely.
Think back to Anos’s statement about destruction earlier.

He said it destroys nihility billions of times with mere contact alone. That implies there were already countless overlapping layers of nihility capable of enduring repeated destruction.

This shows that nihility itself possesses a stacked, layered structure of overlapping Nothingness.


General order : 2 Truth State
(opposing)

Oneness/Greater order : 3 Truth State ( encompasses/oneness)

order of Absurdity : 4 truth state
(both and neither both)

order's arcana : 5 truth state
(neither before)

Logic : 6 truth state

Nihility : 7-8 truth state

6 outside of logic | 7 encompasses/outside Nothingness state ( The 7 state is that of true Nothingness)

Chaos : 9 truth state (primordial state)

Wank Nihility : ad infinitum truth state

Agree :

Disagree :

Neutral :


Wank Nihility
Agree :

Disagree: @ActuallySpaceMan42 , @Dereck03 ,@Vietthai96

Neutral:
 
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I don’t know how you came up with Nihility Ad-infinitum layers but to me, this is purely just Resistance to Nothingness/Non-existence Erasure.
Not to mention isn’t Hyperguy’s paraconsistent CRT still ongoing? Why do we have another similar crt for this?
 
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I don’t know how you came up with Nihility Ad-infinitum layers but to me, this is purely just Resistance to Nothingness/Non-existence Erasure.

The Abolisher of Reason, Venuzdonoa-a sword that possesses the power of Abernyu, the Goddess of Destruction. Yet even with that absurd power, it's impossible for you to permanently destroy my nihility," Graham said.

His upper body had escaped from Venuzdonoa's blade and was gradually fading back into nothingness. There was nothing to be detected-no magic at all -but he was definitely still there.

"Under the order of this world, destruction is the reduction of something to nothing. Yet before the Abolisher of Reason, which can destroy anything and everything, logic itself unravels. Thus, the effect of your blade only works up until the target is destroyed, no?" his voice echoed from the surrounding nothingness. "But the nothing left after perishing-the nothingness that is not bound by reason that is the true form of my source."

In other words, the Abolisher of Reason had definitely destroyed his nihility. But destroying his nihility and thus creating nothing in its place allowed him to escape the conditions set by the Abolisher of Reason and trigger his source into reviving him all over again.

"If you keep using the power of Venuzdonoa, I will keep perishing. But is that demon sword capable of maintaining its shape forever? Especially since this isn't your Demon King Castle."
The system operates on the principle that when something is completely destroyed, it enters “nothingness” (0). That is what Order governs: the transition from 1 -> 0, just like during the early phase of the battle before Anos drew Venuzdonoa.
If Order fully encompasses the states of 1 -> 0 and 0 -> 1, then no matter how much something is destroyed, it will simply return to nothingness according to the framework established by Order. Under that system, complete destruction is merely the reduction of existence into nothingness.
That is why Venuzdonoa destroys the very logic of Order itself—the logic that defines 1 -> 0—causing the entire framework to collapse to the point that even nothingness (0) itself is destroyed.
After being destroyed by Venuzdonoa, the original logic of that nothingness collapses as well. Beneath it exists a deeper and more fundamental level of nothingness, operating under a freer and more independent logic (layering) (0 < ø1 < ø2...).
It is like reducing sediment layer by layer, becoming increasingly diminished and increasingly liberated from structure, until it reaches the True Nature where even the logic of nothingness itself no longer exists.


And the layers of nothingness function in the same way: (0 < ø1 < ø2 < ø3...).
Each successive layer transcends and stands outside the previous layer’s original logic of nothingness.


Not to mention isn’t Hyperguy’s paraconsistent CRT still ongoing? Why do we have another similar crt for this?
In Hyperguy’s thread, he focused on the dual nature of the characters’ states—how the characters embody contradictions between existence and non-existence.
For Graham, it is the coexistence of existence and non-existence.
For Anos, it is similar in principle.
For Arcana, it is being both cold and hot simultaneously.
And for Venuzjiora, it is the state of being able and unable to draw the sword at the same time.
However, what I am proposing is a hierarchy of dualistic Orders themselves:
Order -> the singular Order that encompasses duality within Order -> the Order that encompasses duality while simultaneously opposing the singular all-encompassing Order -> the Order that opposes all Orders -> that which exists outside Order altogether -> and finally Chaos, which existed before Order itself.
In other words, rather than focusing solely on characters embodying contradictory states, I am referring to the progression and transcendence of the very frameworks of Order and duality themselves.

I'm not saying his thread is wrong, but I just wanted to suggest from the beginning another type of duality.

While I was gathering the data, his thread was inactive. But just as I was about to finish writing the thread, I noticed that his thread had become active again.
 
“If you keep using the power of Venuzdonoa, I will keep perishing.”

The system operates on the principle that when something is completely destroyed, it enters “nothingness” (0). That is what Order governs: the transition from 1 -> 0, just like during the early phase of the battle before Anos drew Venuzdonoa.
If Order fully encompasses the states of 1 -> 0 and 0 -> 1, then no matter how much something is destroyed, it will simply return to nothingness according to the framework established by Order. Under that system, complete destruction is merely the reduction of existence into nothingness.
That is why Venuzdonoa destroys the very logic of Order itself—the logic that defines 1 -> 0—causing the entire framework to collapse to the point that even nothingness (0) itself is destroyed.
After being destroyed by Venuzdonoa, the original logic of that nothingness collapses as well. Beneath it exists a deeper and more fundamental level of nothingness, operating under a freer and more independent logic (layering) (0 < ø1 < ø2...).
It is like reducing sediment layer by layer, becoming increasingly diminished and increasingly liberated from structure, until it reaches the True Nature where even the logic of nothingness itself no longer exists.


And the layers of nothingness function in the same way: (0 < ø1 < ø2 < ø3...).
Each successive layer transcends and stands outside the previous layer’s original logic of nothingness.
Well you look at that…the scan literally says: ‘If you keep using the power of Venuzdonoa, I will keep perishing. That’s not description of infinite stack, but of a looping process. Graham is basically stating that he can reset himself as many times as needed until Anos runs out of magic or until the sword reaches a specific limit. Ad Infinitum cannot be given as charity to a character simply due to the possession of a redundant survival mechanic. That is like saying that Graham has “infinite layers of speed” because he has infinite stamina and can dodge forever. It should be just list as Extremely Deep/ Layered NEP, because to dub a case “infinite” without a literal statement there of is the quintessential definition of a No limit fallacy, not to mention that the vsbw is pretty strict in regards to it.

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Well you look at that…the scan literally says: ‘If you keep using the power of Venuzdonoa, I will keep perishing. That’s not description of infinite stack, but of a looping process. Graham is basically stating that he can reset himself as many times as needed until Anos runs out of magic or until the sword reaches a specific limit. Ad Infinitum cannot be given as charity to a character simply due to the possession of a redundant survival mechanic. That is like saying that Graham has “infinite layers of speed” because he has infinite stamina and can dodge forever. It should be just list as Extremely Deep/ Layered NEP, because to dub a case “infinite” without a literal statement there of is the quintessential definition of a No limit fallacy, not to mention that the vsbw is pretty strict in regards to it.

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Because it could never completely kill Graham in the first place. Destroying nothingness would simply cause a new nothingness, free from the previous logic, to emerge again. It would only become an endless cycle of killing over and over.
Under the destruction of the Abolisher of Reason:
Yet before the Abolisher of Reason, which can destroy anything and everything, logic itself unravels.”
It would simply destroy the logic behind that newly formed nothingness as well.

Venuzdonoa reduces all things to null.
As I said before, Order encompasses things through a system where, once something is destroyed, its value is reduced from 1 to 0.
1 → 0
However, Graham’s nothingness itself is already 0. What Venuzdonoa destroys is logic itself. It reduces the value of 0 into something that is neither 1 nor 0, something devoid of the logic of the Order that governs the transition of 1 → 0.

That is: 0 -> ø1

No matter how many layers of nothingness are generated, Venuzdonoa will ultimately continue destroying the logic behind them, reducing their value further and further until they either reach complete death or arrive at the true nature of Nothingness.

But Graham’s statements imply that there are hierarchical layers of nothingness that continue to emerge whenever Venuzdonoa destroys the previous logic. This process continues until the destroyer of logic itself, Venuzdonoa, reaches its own limit due to lacking the castle.

If the nothingness that emerges after the previous one is destroyed by Venuzdonoa possessed the exact same logic, then there would be no difference at all, because Venuzdonoa could simply destroy all identical logic simultaneously.

That demonstrates that each subsequent logic must become something outside the logic of the previous nothingness itself.
And Venuzdonoa can continue destroying the logic of those layers of nothingness repeatedly, until it eventually reaches its own limit.

Graham's body goes from 1 to 0, and when destroyed by Venuz,

It will be reduced from
0 -> ø1 -> ø2>ø3....
Keep going until Venus reaches her limit.

That's why the layers of Nothingness will be like that.

It is not simply an endless regression to previous layers of logic.
Rather, it continuously becomes new truth-values devoid of all prior logic, existing beyond the boundaries of the original logical framework.
 
Mate…You just further proves my point. If Venuzdonoa has to destroy each layer one-by-one until it “reaches its limit,”, then we are talking about a finite, linear sequence, not an ‘ad-infinitum’ state. If Graham actually possessed 'Ad Infinitum' layers of nothingness as a stagnation type attribute, he would not be perishing or emerging in a sequence but would have been completely out of reach of the sword by then. The fact that the sword must first destroy one layer (0 -> ø1), and then move on to the next (ø1 -> ø2) demonstrates that each layer is discrete and temporary. If the layers are truly infinite, why does Graham bother making mention of the sword reaching its limit? If his ‘Nihility’ were truly ‘Ad Infinitum’, the sword’s limit would be irrelevant as he would be unreachable at all costs.
 
By the way, since few people have read and commented on this thread, including the admin, can I edit the thread and add more logic to it? Because I forgot about the logic 😅
 
I disagree with counting logic itself as another truth state
Logic is everything, or everything exists beneath logic. Even chaos and disorder possess logic.
Whether it is paraconsistent or a contradiction, it is because of logic that the contradiction is allowed to exist in the first place.

Logic enables Absurdity which stands as a contradiction to order or logic itself to remain paraconsistent without causing the logical framework to collapse.

It is, therefore, the framework of the entire integral sum—encompassing every possible truth-state within the overarching logic.
 
Logic is everything, or everything exists beneath logic. Even chaos and disorder possess logic.
Whether it is paraconsistent or a contradiction, it is because of logic that the contradiction is allowed to exist in the first place.

Logic enables Absurdity which stands as a contradiction to order or logic itself to remain paraconsistent without causing the logical framework to collapse.

It is, therefore, the framework of the entire integral sum—encompassing every possible truth-state within the overarching logic.
So... why are we counting logic as a truth state, and why is it below Chaos? You didn't really answer the issue.
 
I also disagree with Chaos truth scaling off of Nihility
You agree with general order , greater order , arcana and absurdity?

The chaos outside of all logic,

It's not that lack of order means chaos, but that chaos has always existed, and the source of Anos is chaos.

You also exist outside the bounds of this world's reason. It's why the gods call you a misfit," he continued.
We are outside the bounds of reason. They do not
apply to us. Why do you think we’ve been removed from the framework of this
world’s order?”
The scan is already at the beginning of the post.

Vol.11


Anos's source, which lie beyond the confines of this world, include logic, and roncrus said that Anos's source are even more Nothingness than nihility of Nothingness itself.
 
Well, I think I agree with spaceman here as well, but I’d like to ask @ActuallySpaceMan42, why don’t you consider logic to be a “truth state”? After all, in-verse, it is a state that is beyond the overall order by which everything in the verse is governed. I don't know if this helps, but the wiki treats MG's logic/reason as "Logic Manipulation."


Btw, OP, could you elaborate a bit more in the Wank Nihility part? I'd also like to know how you want this to look on the profile, so please show me a draft of the feat.
 
Nice contradicting argument
Yeah, logic itself doesn't seem to be above chaos; in fact, I could argue that logic is still above Nihility, but only when it comes to Venuz or MEoCD, since their attacks are essentially based on a logic that destroys logic—although part of that is due to the chaos that MEoCD primarily relies on.
 
Also, why is Nihility two truth states, instead of one?
One truth We should only talk about the nature of nihility, which is outside of logic.

It's just my attempt, but you don't have to see either of them because, after all, we're talking about nihility being outside of logic, and true nature is also outside of its logic. Because no matter how much you destroy nihility, you can't reach true nature.
Nice contradicting argument
Chaos isn't disorder

As the author has said, and as it is stated in the novel.
It's not that lack of order means chaos, but that chaos has always existed,
 
Not really a another truth state, it was something behind the truth states

I dont think you can consider it as 6 7 9st.... truth state
It is not at the level of truth state if we ground it properly, because every table value written here — everything has logic — there is no difference between IS AND IS-NOT, both exist within logic.

Therefore, being able to do both makes logic absurd.

Even the disorder of Aganzon can have its logic negated. The truth is that the power of a Misfit, which lies outside the attributes of order, stands above the Authority of DISORDER — yet we cannot apply this to an Absurdity designated by Shu as utterly MISFIT, meaning the power of Arcana is exactly one level above when compared to MISFIT. (Ceris can negate Aganzon's power.)
However, IS AND IS-NOT still has logic, and the cycle of logic is the operating principle of All ORDER — even the Almighty One is a form of logic. Those who have broken free and escaped the framework of Classical Logic, and the Absurd that inverts logic causing contradiction — both Almighty One / Absurdity are in turn created by Graham (a.k.a. Son of the Void), and are thus rendered irrelevant against a power that overturns logic itself.

I need to open the novel to get the scan. Could you wait for the scan?
 
One truth We should only talk about the nature of nihility, which is outside of logic.

It's just my attempt, but you don't have to see either of them because, after all, we're talking about nihility being outside of logic, and true nature is also outside of its logic. Because no matter how much you destroy nihility, you can't reach true nature.
I see, but in that case, you would have to drop Wank Nihility.
 
Btw, OP, could you elaborate a bit more in the Wank Nihility part? I'd also like to know how you want this to look on the profile, so please show me a draft of the feat.
Okay, let's get into it. In truth, Nihility is the Logic of Nihility.
We know it's translated as "Order" in English, but comparing it to the Japanese (Ri/Kotowari), which means "logic" or "reason/principle."
Venuthodonoa destroyed the Logic of Nihility, which caused Graham to no longer exist within the original framework that 理 had defined — assigned the value of 1 — and when destroyed, only emptiness/void remains.
Even though the Logic of Nihility was destroyed by Venus,

what occurred is that Nihility exists outside of logic itself.

We could say that the Nihility that emerged came from Graham's maneuvering — his attempt to escape the range of Venus's slash — but no matter what logic stands before Venus, it crumbles all the same.

Venus still slashes through and destroys that logic regardless. And this would loop on indefinitely.

Now let's talk about the Limit. What's actually being discussed is that Venus's time limitation refers to maintaining her physical form — but regardless of which part of her, or even her shadow, it can still destroy logic.
It's not a time limit on usage — it's simply about sustaining her corporeal shape. So this is just a casual wank to test the waters and see how it holds up

But that's not the main point. I'm not interested in what everyone sees, but I think most people will disagree.

So, I'll summarize it here.

General Order 2 truth state

Oneness/Great order 3 truth state

Arcana paradox/Absurdity 4-5 Truth state

Nihility 6 Truth state

Chaos 7 truth state

It is not at the level of truth state if we ground it properly, because every table value written here — everything has logic — there is no difference between IS AND IS-NOT, both exist within logic.

Therefore, being able to do both makes logic absurd.

Even the disorder of Aganzon can have its logic negated. The truth is that the power of a Misfit, which lies outside the attributes of order, stands above the Authority of DISORDER — yet we cannot apply this to an Absurdity designated by Shu as utterly MISFIT, meaning the power of Arcana is exactly one level above when compared to MISFIT. (Ceris can negate Aganzon's power.)
However, IS AND IS-NOT still has logic, and the cycle of logic is the operating principle of All ORDER — even the Almighty One is a form of logic. Those who have broken free and escaped the framework of Classical Logic, and the Absurd that inverts logic causing contradiction — both Almighty One / Absurdity are in turn created by Graham (a.k.a. Son of the Void), and are thus rendered irrelevant against a power that overturns logic itself.

I need to open the novel to get the scan. Could you wait for the scan?
About logic (I don't know if the above statement is enough to make everyone consider it another truth state).

If you could change everyone's mind, it would become the 6 truth state. Nihility 7 chaos 8

Paraconsistent physiology Type3
 
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