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Minor Edit for DC Comic profiles

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Antvasima said:
What are your arguments for immeasurable speed? 🙏
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Characters whose Tier starts from 1-A essentially perceive the entire concept of quantity as purely fictional and transcend it. This concept of quantitative includes space and time, even beyond spacetime itself, and such characters also transcend all dimensions, standing completely outside this framework, separate from it and even beyond it
1-A: Outerverse level
Characters or objects residing in higher states of existence surpassing material composition as a whole, and who are therefore completely unreachable and inaccessible to any and all extensions of the aforementioned structures. Their superiority over such realms, as such, is purely "qualitative"; based entirely on the ontological quality and nature of their existence, rather than any quantitative or numerical principle
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Characters that possess qualitative existence transcend all quantitative concepts entirely, and their speed should automatically reach Immeasurable Speed
Beyond-Dimension-Existance:
Type 3: Characters who exceed dimensionality through a qualitative superiority over lesser things, which is to say: Ontologically surpassing all the contents of a lower reality, and being above their physical composition and differentiation. Characters of this nature don't simply lack all physicality and composition (As in Type 1), but surpass it altogether, being of a wholly superior nature that is not reachable by lower states of existence. But as stated at the beginning of the page, these beings can still operate on a higher notion of dimensionality that is fundamental to their own nature and reality
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A character who is Tier 1-A or higher yet lacks Immeasurable Speed is genuinely laughable and absurd. For a Tier 1-A character, the concept of time is merely a dream or an illusion.
Many people have advised me and questioned why DC profiles have not been granted Immeasurable Speed in the speed section
Hayato5652 said:
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Additionally, I need these profiles to be unlocked so I can add or edit BDE Type 3 for them🙏

Because three staff members agreed with this…
 
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Hayato5652 said:
Characters whose Tier starts from 1-A essentially perceive the entire concept of quantity as purely fictional and transcend it. This concept of quantitative includes space and time, even beyond spacetime itself, and such characters also transcend all dimensions, standing completely outside this framework, separate from it and even beyond it

Characters that possess qualitative existence transcend all quantitative concepts entirely, and their speed should automatically reach Immeasurable Speed

A character who is Tier 1-A or higher yet lacks Immeasurable Speed is genuinely laughable and absurd. For a Tier 1-A character, the concept of time is merely a dream or an illusion.
Many people have advised me and questioned why DC profiles have not been granted Immeasurable Speed in the speed section

Additionally, I need these profiles to be unlocked so I can add or edit BDE Type 3 for them🙏

Because three staff members agreed with this…
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@Qawsedf234 @Firestorm808

Does this seem fine to you? 🙏
 
 
Isn't it better if we wait until this content revision thread has been concluded first?

Also, in order for me to efficiently unlock those pages, you need to write their exactly worded titles as an unformatted plain text list. 🙏
 
Antvasima said:
Also, in order for me to efficiently unlock those pages, you need to write their exactly worded titles as an unformatted plain text list. 🙏
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I extracted it a while ago, thought it'd come in handy in future.

Lucifer Morningstar (DC Comics)
Michael Demiurgos
Elaine Belloc
Death of the Endless
Destiny of the Endless
Dream of the Endless
Despair of the Endless
Destruction of the Endless
Delirium of the Endless
Desire of the Endless
Gabriel Hornblower
The Batman Who Laughs
Doctor Manhattan (DC Comics)
Timothy Hunter
Cestis
Wonder Woman (Post-Flashpoint)
Father Time (Vertigo)
The Basanos
Glory of the First Circle
Mazikeen
Mother Night (Vertigo)
 
Antvasima said:
Isn't it better if we wait until this content revision thread has been concluded first?

Also, in order for me to efficiently unlock those pages, you need to write their exactly worded titles as an unformatted plain text list. 🙏
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Lucifer Morningstar
Michael (Michael Demiurgos)
Elaine (Elaine Belloc)
Death of the Endless
Destiny of the Endless
Dream of the Endless
Despair of the Endless
Destruction of the Endless
Delirium of the Endless
Desire of the Endless
Gabriel
The Darkest Knight
Doctor manhattan
Timothy Hunter
Sestis
Wonder Woman (Post-Flashpoint)
Father Time
Basanos
Glory of the First Circle
Mazikeen
Mother Night
TWILIGHT-OP said:
I extracted it a while ago, thought it'd come in handy in future.

Lucifer Morningstar (DC Comics)
Michael Demiurgos
Elaine Belloc
Death of the Endless
Destiny of the Endless
Dream of the Endless
Despair of the Endless
Destruction of the Endless
Delirium of the Endless
Desire of the Endless
Gabriel Hornblower
The Batman Who Laughs
Doctor Manhattan (DC Comics)
Timothy Hunter
Cestis
Wonder Woman (Post-Flashpoint)
Father Time (Vertigo)
The Basanos
Glory of the First Circle
Mazikeen
Mother Night (Vertigo)
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I’ll try to link these texts as soon as possible… I mean linking the characters’ profile pages....

Or is it not necessary?
 
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TWILIGHT-OP said:
I extracted it a while ago, thought it'd come in handy in future.

Lucifer Morningstar (DC Comics)
Michael Demiurgos
Elaine Belloc
Death of the Endless
Destiny of the Endless
Dream of the Endless
Despair of the Endless
Destruction of the Endless
Delirium of the Endless
Desire of the Endless
Gabriel Hornblower
The Batman Who Laughs
Doctor Manhattan (DC Comics)
Timothy Hunter
Cestis
Wonder Woman (Post-Flashpoint)
Father Time (Vertigo)
The Basanos
Glory of the First Circle
Mazikeen
Mother Night (Vertigo)
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Thank you for helping out, but is it not too early to unlock those pages when this thread has not finished yet? 🙏
 
Antvasima said:
Thank you for helping out, but is it not too early to unlock those pages when this thread has not finished yet? 🙏
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Hmm… this thread has two topics.

One is BDE
and the other is speed.

The BDE topic seems to be finished,
but the speed part is still remaining

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And yes, the correct approach is for the CRT to be completely finished and then the profile edits should be done
 
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Yes. Agreed. 🙏
 
Hayato5652 said:
Characters whose Tier starts from 1-A essentially perceive the entire concept of quantity as purely fictional and transcend it. This concept of quantitative includes space and time, even beyond spacetime itself, and such characters also transcend all dimensions, standing completely outside this framework, separate from it and even beyond it

Characters that possess qualitative existence transcend all quantitative concepts entirely, and their speed should automatically reach Immeasurable Speed

A character who is Tier 1-A or higher yet lacks Immeasurable Speed is genuinely laughable and absurd. For a Tier 1-A character, the concept of time is merely a dream or an illusion.
Many people have advised me and questioned why DC profiles have not been granted Immeasurable Speed in the speed section
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@Emirp sumitpo @Elizio33 @Qawsedf234 @Firestorm808

What do you think about this? 🙏
 
Unfortunately it seems like the staff members I called for haven't been interested yet, and I cannot force them to help out. 🙏
 
Hayato5652 said:
Hello Everyone

This CRT is only for issues related to DC pages I intend to do two things:

  • All characters who are placed at Tier 1-A, or even higher than this tier, Any speed they currently have will remain unchanged, and an additional Immeasurable Speed will only be add for Key 1-A

  • This is because Tier 1-A applies to characters who, in terms of existence, transcend all spatial dimensions, the temporal dimension, and the overall concept of quantity. As a result, the minimum speed of such characters is automatically upgrade to Immeasurable Speed
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Beyond-Dimensional Existence

Hello! I hope everyone is having a great day. In this thread, I would like to propose some changes to the Beyond-Dimensional Existence page, specifically to Type 2. Currently Type 2 BDE has two variants. Variant One: 1) As mentioned before, by a certain "excess of size," in which an object...
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  • According to the CRT above, all characters who have BDE Type 2 should be edit to BDE Type 3, since Type 2 is associated with Low 1-A and quantity, whereas BDE Type 3 applies to Tier 1-A and above in terms of Qualitative
Characters that should be given Immeasurable Speed
Characters that have BDE Type 2 but need to be edited to Type 3:

Note:I should mention that these characters already had BDE, but they were simply not edited, If I have left out any character, please let me know Thanks.

Member's suggestions:

Doctor Fate profile dates back to a time when DC was still Tier 1-B, and his profile has not been edited since then

Doctor Fate should be revised from Low 1-C to 2-C

Agree:
@Emirp sumitpo
@Elizio33
@Antvasima(For BDE Type 3)

Neutral:

Disagree:
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The suggested changes seems fine to me.
 
Elizio33 said:
The suggested changes seems fine to me.
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You edited your message… I was still typing…

Doctor Fate was upgraded to Low 1-C a few years ago, exactly at a time when DC wasn’t even Tier 1-B, because he defeated the Upside-Down Man—who is one of the manifestations of the Great Darkness—and that upgrade was only due to his hax and abilities.
But now it seems that this Low 1-C should be changed to 1-A, since the Upside-Down Man is currently 1-A

And thank you for your opinion and suggestion
 
Hayato5652 said:
You edited your message… I was still typing…

Doctor Fate was upgraded to Low 1-C a few years ago, exactly at a time when DC wasn’t even Tier 1-B, because he defeated the Upside-Down Man—who is one of the manifestations of the Great Darkness—and that upgrade was only due to his hax and abilities.
But now it seems that this Low 1-C should be changed to 1-A, since the Upside-Down Man is currently 1-A

And thank you for your opinion and suggestion
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Okay i see. This will upgrade Barbatos and others to 1-A as well.
 
Elizio33 said:
Okay i see. This will upgrade Barbatos and others to 1-A as well.
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Hmmm..?! why...?
Barbatos has two keys.

One is 2-C
and one is 1-A+

Does that mean the 2-C key needs an upgrade?! Is it really necessary?
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Barbatos

Barbatos, also know as Great Dragon or Bat-God, is the ruler of the Dark Multiverse. Once his sole purpose was to destroy the unstable universes created by his master, who crafted universes from the fears and hopes of all beings within the Multiverse, and return their energies to the World...
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Hayato5652 said:
Hmmm..?! why...?
Barbatos has two keys.

One is 2-C
and one is 1-A+

Does that mean the 2-C key needs an upgrade?! Is it really necessary?
vsbattles.fandom.com

Barbatos

Barbatos, also know as Great Dragon or Bat-God, is the ruler of the Dark Multiverse. Once his sole purpose was to destroy the unstable universes created by his master, who crafted universes from the fears and hopes of all beings within the Multiverse, and return their energies to the World...
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@Elizio33
 
Maybe Elizio33 forgot that Barbatos already has Tier 1-A

Overall, Barbatos’ profile doesn’t need any edits or even an upgrade, since he current scale is fine.

He has even already been given an Immeasurable Speed key
 
I personally agree with you. 🙏
 
Elizio33 said:
Okay i see. This will upgrade Barbatos and others to 1-A as well.
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I think for "major upgrades" or whatsover it is better for another thread. Since we have lot scans or context didn't cover up yet. For now I recommend Dr Fate being 2-C for scaling to Barbatos. If we want to make others "1-A" I think new thread for future with lot reasoning would be better than "just Barbatos" only scale
 
Also BDE Type 3 for TDK and Dr Manhattan absolutely makes no sense. If anything their powers and AP/Dura are 1-A not their existence. We give BDE for existence. They have immeasurable key already.
 
Hecky2222 said:
Also BDE Type 3 for TDK and Dr Manhattan absolutely makes no sense. If anything their powers and AP/Dura are 1-A not their existence. We give BDE for existence. They have immeasurable key already.
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Buddy, a character whose existence is quantitative can’t have their AP output end up being qualitative. Even Ultima made a CRT about this, and it was accepted that a character who is 3D and whose existence is limited to quantity cannot have qualitative AP
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Can 3-D characters have 1-A physicals?

So, as we all know, the Tiering System is divided into two directions of power: Quantitative and qualitative. When we say the difference between X and Y is "quantitative," we mean exactly what's on the tin: It has to do with quantity. Some numerical determination keeping them apart. So the...
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When a character reaches Tier 1-A, it means they have achieved this Tier through an R > F relation to a lower reality, and they automatically receive BDE Type 3.
 
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Hayato5652 said:
Buddy, a character whose existence is quantitative can’t have their AP output end up being qualitative. Even Ultima made a CRT about this, and it was accepted that a character who is 3D and whose existence is limited to quantity cannot have qualitative AP
vsbattles.com

Can 3-D characters have 1-A physicals?

So, as we all know, the Tiering System is divided into two directions of power: Quantitative and qualitative. When we say the difference between X and Y is "quantitative," we mean exactly what's on the tin: It has to do with quantity. Some numerical determination keeping them apart. So the...
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When a character reaches Tier 1-A, it means they have achieved this Tier through an R > F relation to a lower reality, and they automatically receive BDE Type 3.
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Yeah then makes sense. I still have problems with Dr Manhattan having BDE Type 3. Ok ignoring TDK (his BDE makes sense cuz dura is High 1-A) . Dr manhattan has Range for Outerversal not for Durability. I dont see why we should give him BDE Type 3 unless you want to upgrade his dura to Outervesal also
 
Hecky2222 said:
Yeah then makes sense. I still have problems with Dr Manhattan having BDE Type 3. Ok ignoring TDK (his BDE makes sense cuz dura is High 1-A) . Dr manhattan has Range for Outerversal not for Durability. I dont see why we should give him BDE Type 3 unless you want to upgrade his dura to Outervesal also
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No, you're right. Doctor Manhattan can't have BDE Type 3 because he reached that Tier through hax or abilities....

But The Darkest Knight can, because he is able to interact with a Super Celestial like Perpetua, who possesses BDE, and even defeat her

If Doctor Manhattan is on the list, I’ll remove him.
 
Hayato5652 said:
No, you're right. Doctor Manhattan can't have BDE Type 3 because he reached that Tier through hax or abilities....

But The Darkest Knight can, because he is able to interact with a Super Celestial like Perpetua, who possesses BDE, and even defeat her

If Doctor Manhattan is on the list, I’ll remove him.
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Yeah Dr Manhattan on list and I agree with you he shouldn't have BDE 3, though his range should probably be fixed to High 1-A only since TDK and Perpetua have High 1-A with exact same scans, I find still weird why Dr manhattan has still "possibly Outerverse" level. Didn't Elizhio made thread about fixing possibly to High 1-A only
 
Hecky2222 said:
Yeah Dr Manhattan on list and I agree with you he shouldn't have BDE 3, though his range should probably be fixed to High 1-A only since TDK and Perpetua have High 1-A with exact same scans, I find still weird why Dr manhattan has still "possibly Outerverse" level. Didn't Elizhio made thread about fixing possibly to High 1-A only
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Honestly, we forgot to edit Doctor Manhattan’s profile in the previous CRT, and only Wonder Woman, TDK, and Perpetua’s profiles were edited.
 
Hayato5652 said:
Hello Everyone

This CRT is only for issues related to DC pages I intend to do two things:

  • All characters who are placed at Tier 1-A, or even higher than this tier, Any speed they currently have will remain unchanged, and an additional Immeasurable Speed will only be add for Key 1-A

  • This is because Tier 1-A applies to characters who, in terms of existence, transcend all spatial dimensions, the temporal dimension, and the overall concept of quantity. As a result, the minimum speed of such characters is automatically upgrade to Immeasurable Speed
vsbattles.com

Beyond-Dimensional Existence

Hello! I hope everyone is having a great day. In this thread, I would like to propose some changes to the Beyond-Dimensional Existence page, specifically to Type 2. Currently Type 2 BDE has two variants. Variant One: 1) As mentioned before, by a certain "excess of size," in which an object...
vsbattles.com vsbattles.com

  • According to the CRT above, all characters who have BDE Type 2 should be edit to BDE Type 3, since Type 2 is associated with Low 1-A and quantity, whereas BDE Type 3 applies to Tier 1-A and above in terms of Qualitative
Characters that should be given Immeasurable Speed
Characters that have BDE Type 2 but need to be edited to Type 3:

Note:I should mention that these characters already had BDE, but they were simply not edited, If I have left out any character, please let me know Thanks.

Member's suggestions:

Doctor Fate profile dates back to a time when DC was still Tier 1-B, and his profile has not been edited since then

Doctor Fate should be revised from Low 1-C to 2-C

Agree:
@Emirp sumitpo
@Elizio33
@Antvasima(For BDE Type 3)

Neutral:

Disagree:
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Seems to make sense for Tier 1-A and above characters.
 
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