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Murder Drones: NULL The Downplay

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IDK3465 said:
Actually, looking back at the feat, although N and Uzi didn't physically move out of the way, because of the camera angle not showing us their faces, they still could have simply closed their "eyes" before the light hit them, so I suppose it isn't impossible for them to have needed to react to the light beforehand, thus making both it and the second feat valid.
Huh, I actually kinda changed my mind now, f*ck it, MFTL+ it is then.
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Lets goooo
 
Psychomaster35 said:
Retconned. Like, straight up. This was when they were still developing plot points, and if the pod really was just sitting outside of the atmosphere, then why did Cyn choose to wait instead of striking now with her plan?

The pod was crashlanding. It had no way to slow down at all.
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1)There is nothing to indicate that it was Retconned, in fact the most you can argue that it was Retconned is the contents of the ships.
 
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Mythic381 said:
Point still stands though?
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No, it doesn't. In the pilot, we see three ships; in the episode, we see three more ships land, two crash, and one lands safely. The content may have been retconned, but that doesn't mean the fact that they were already in Copper 9 was retconned.
Retconned would be if only one ship appeared, then I could understand the argument, but all three appeared.
You can't say it's been retconned without proof.
 
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LoubHuntered said:
No, it doesn't. In the pilot, we see three ships; in the episode, we see three more ships land, two crash, and one lands safely. The content may have been retconned, but that doesn't mean the fact that they were already in Copper 9 was retconned.
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That's... doesn't mean that it disproved that it's literally landed in way longer distance than in the plot episode at perspective ? frist and second ships didn't have pilots to control and slow them down, while the third ship had Cyn and J as pilots.

So that's why your argument doesn't make sense for me , because it would be mean that there should be other two pilots who parks them near copper 9 in plot episode + it also condradict by the timeline of the series irc
 
Soul_Nitro_Deluxe said:
That's... doesn't mean that it disproved it literally landed longer distance than in the plot episode at perspective ? frist and second ships didn't have pilots to control and slow them down, while the third ship had Cyn and J as pilots.

So that's why your argument doesn't make sense for me , because it would be mean that there should be two other pilots who parks them near copper 9 + it also condradict by timeline of the series irc
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That's a plot hole in the show. Liam probably originally intended for them all to have disassembly drones, but he changed it so that one would have Cyn and the other toys without giving it much thought.
 
LoubHuntered said:
That's a plot hole in the show. Liam probably originally intended for them all to have disassembly drones, but he changed it so that one would have Cyn and the other toys without giving it much thought. there wasn't any specific about other worker drones is frist: the second, then yeah, it would be mean that it's retconned because Liam
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There wasn't any current information about that Liam planned to add other dissembly drones in storyline. Even so; if that's information are true then it would be mean that this current scene was retconned anyway, since Liam planned to add it but changed it due his story development
 
Soul_Nitro_Deluxe said:
There wasn't any current information about that Liam planned to add other dissembly drones in storyline. Even so; if that's information are true then it would be mean that this current scene was retconned anyway, since Liam planned to add it but changed it due his story development
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1)But that doesn't mean they've retconned the fact that the ships are in Copper 9.
2)There's also no information on when Cyn began his journey to Earth. From what we saw in episode 6, multiple drones tried to enter the lab without success, so we know Cyn was already on his way to Copper9 long before the pilot. I don't have proof of this, but neither does the person who did the calculation.
 
LoubHuntered said:
But that doesn't mean they've retconned the fact that the ships are in Copper 9.
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1) condradict by the fact that it showed way longer distance when it landed to copper 9 in episode 3.

2) condradict by the timeline itself, like why did Cyn and J have to wait a few days to appear only in episode 5 ?
 
Soul_Nitro_Deluxe said:
1) My past point that was taken longer perspective of distance after it landed to copper 9 then we saw in plot episode

2) your point was talking about that ships was already on copper 9 as we saw it in plot episode right ?
So again, why does Cyn and J have to wait near copper 9 to appear only in 5 episode
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1) In the pilot, they were in space thousands of miles from the planet. How can that be a shorter distance than in episode three?

2) I'm sorry, but they appeared in episode 3. I'm not understanding the question.
 
LoubHuntered said:
1) In the pilot, they were in space thousands of miles from the planet. How can that be a shorter distance than in episode three?

2) I'm sorry, but they appeared in episode 3. I'm not understanding the question.
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1. Because it showed the same properties of their landing when they only started to come out at copper 9 , this would mean that distance from landing at copper 9 system is way longer in episode 3 than thousand miles.

2. Read my message again, you talking about when they only landed on copper 9 , I was talked when they only appeal at cabin fever lab after 5 episode , That's was literally main goal of the Cyn so it doesn't really make sense for a Cyn only appeal there when they already was near copper 9.
 
LoubHuntered said:
1)There is nothing to indicate that it was Retconned, in fact the most you can argue that it was Retconned is the contents of the ships.
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Even though I myself am convinced that it's a retcon, what you're saying is by no means an argument against us, because if we imagine that what you're saying is true, well, that just means that Cyn arrived in less than a week and that it's even faster, like MFTL+.
 
Soul_Nitro_Deluxe said:
1. Because it showed the same properties of their landing when they only started to come out at copper 9 , this would mean that distance from landing at copper 9 system is way longer in episode 3 than thousand miles.

2. Read my message again, you talking about when they only landed on copper 9 , I was talked when they only appeal at cabin fever lab after 5 episode , That's was literally main goal of the Cyn so it doesn't really make sense for a Cyn only appeal there when they already was near copper 9.
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a)The ones in the pilot episode do turns and land upright creating a giant crater, the ones in episode three literally landed in a straight line, upside down, and without making any kind of crater, they couldn't be more different.
B)It makes sense, imagine you're Cyn, your objective is to destroy the solver drones, destroy the patch and then the planet, what do you do?
1) You arrive with your army of disassembler drones.
2) You deploy them while you stay safe.
3) They kill the worker drones and, along with them, the solver drones.
4) When they finish with their designated area, they go to the lab, find the cure, and destroy it.
5) You land and destroy the planet. Easy.
The problem is that they keep failing completely when trying to enter the lab.
Then Doll, a solver drone, appears, searching for the cure and seemingly knowing its location. What do you do?
You go down in disguise and, under the pretext of also wanting to destroy Cyn, manipulate her into leading you inside the labs to the cure. Then you kill her, destroy the cure, and mission accomplished.
At least that's how I understood it.
 
Psychomaster35 said:
Okay, so remember when I said that I was confident they are faster than Supersonic+? Well, I just got a calc accepted that's actually a more reliable way for them to be Massively FTL. So now, instead of the Supersonic+ rating, I'm now proposing the Massively FTL rating since the calc has been accepted, especially given how the feat was done by a random Worker Drone who doesn't seem to be a fighter which would mean that the more combat oriented characters would likely upscale from this feat.
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I don't know about this.

The light reflecting off the pod visibly reaches the drone well before the pod lands. You can see it reflecting off the drone's face.

That means it's slower than light in this scene. It could have slowed down by the time the drone was reacting to it. Isn't that visual proof that it slowed down?

I won't give an official opinion on the calc, so you can ignore me if you want, but I felt like I should mention that.
 
TheRustyOne said:
I don't know about this.

The light reflecting off the pod visibly reaches the drone well before the pod lands. You can see it reflecting off the drone's face.

That means it's slower than light in this scene. It could have slowed down by the time the drone was reacting to it. Isn't that visual proof that it slowed down?

I won't give an official opinion on the calc, so you can ignore me if you want, but I felt like I should mention that.
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The thing is, authors don't necessarily think about all the possible physical implications, especially details like that, because that would mean that every time a character, regardless of the verse, doesn't visually break the sound barrier while traveling at supersonic speed, it would mean that they are slower than sound, which would cause a lot of downscaling. The example is certainly not the same, but the principle remains the same.

Plus N himself says in the pilot episode that they don't know how to land, and in episode 1, when N crashes, the pod lands straight, deploys its docking clips, but is still broken. Therefore, the problem doesn't stem from a lack of skill on the part of the pilot, such as not deploying the docking clips or not generating the landing correctly. It's simply that the pod was going too fast, and if it was going too fast, it means it didn't know how to brake. So when N says they don't know how to land, it means the missing step in a landing is braking; therefore, it was at full speed.
 
LoubHuntered said:
1)I think it was simply a reaction after they cut her hair.
2)Moving a few centimeters to dodge a laser from many meters away is not the defense you think.
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Nope, in Frame 3, the beam of light was really going to hit J's face (it wouldn't make sense for Uzi who has a hologram scope to miss), you can see the shadow on her side and her back. If the light were to hit her left pigtail, her left arm side would've been way brighter due to the beam's light. And in Frame 4 she straight up dodged her head to the right and it hit her pigtail. Example
 
TheRustyOne said:
I don't know about this.

The light reflecting off the pod visibly reaches the drone well before the pod lands. You can see it reflecting off the drone's face.

That means it's slower than light in this scene. It could have slowed down by the time the drone was reacting to it. Isn't that visual proof that it slowed down?

I won't give an official opinion on the calc, so you can ignore me if you want, but I felt like I should mention that.
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Almost every single profile with MFTL speed calc is gonna feel the pain from this for sure.
 
Kirua29 said:
Even though I myself am convinced that it's a retcon, what you're saying is by no means an argument against us, because if we imagine that what you're saying is true, well, that just means that Cyn arrived in less than a week and that it's even faster, like MFTL+.
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1) I love Murder Drones; I just don't want it to be misrepresented.

2) I'm arguing that Cyn was already in Copper from the beginning; there's no way to know how long it took her to get there.
 
LoubHuntered said:
1) I love Murder Drones; I just don't want it to be misrepresented.

2) I'm arguing that Cyn was already in Copper from the beginning; there's no way to know how long it took her to get there.
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You didn't respond to what I said, what you said in no way contradicts what I said
 
Okay, let's organize our thoughts.
What is the proof that Cyn traveled from Earth to Copper in the Calc timeframe?
 
LoubHuntered said:
Okay, let's organize our thoughts.
What is the proof that Cyn traveled from Earth to Copper in the Calc timeframe?
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Episode 5 shows the computer tracking the routes taken by Cyn and his murder drones. All journeys begin on Earth
 
Mythic381 said:
Assuming this?
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That's the speed the Earth's chunks exploded at, not the speed of the landing pod. All you need to know is that the timeframe for the landing pod going from Earth to Copper 9 was implied to have been quick to the point where Uzi was still in the same grade level, which is consistent with how N hadn't consumed any oil since last seeing Uzi at the end of episode 2 before meeting her again in the middle of episode 3.

Anyway, within 9 minutes, the upgrades should be ready to be applied, but I need to attend class first before I can go ahead and apply them.
 
Psychomaster35 said:
That's the speed the Earth's chunks exploded at, not the speed of the landing pod. All you need to know is that the timeframe for the landing pod going from Earth to Copper 9 was implied to have been quick to the point where Uzi was still in the same grade level, which is consistent with how N hadn't consumed any oil since last seeing Uzi at the end of episode 2 before meeting her again in the middle of episode 3.

Anyway, within 9 minutes, the upgrades should be ready to be applied, but I need to attend class first before I can go ahead and apply them.
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I think there's a problem with the planet's calculation.

also you also haven't given any reason to believe that Cyn was on Earth during the pilot
 
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