Technically everything, but I do remember the statement from Nasu regarding Fate Extra Last Encore: “
Actually I believe Crimson was in the works of doing a new cosmology blog, but have to put it on hold due to irl priority and other things and as such, you are partially correct, specifically the part of the continuity I am more concerned about.
So basically, we just make it a sorta composite verse? If so, then we gonna need a big CRT for this one.
I see. Mind telling me what this next Nasuverse CRT is about, I will have to follow it as I go.
I think its about the Lostbelt chapters and other things i forgot
high 1-A or 0 ?
No as there is no such evidence of that in terms of Nasuverse’s lore being a complete mess thanks to the sheer amount of statements and works as of now.
Correct, almost everything connects to eachother in some way, aside from the 2 ones I mentioned which aren't Type Moon properties, so they usually scale to the same stuff, and all have the same mechanics
In that case, I probably need to plan my own CRT regarding the continuity of Nasuverse. Do you guys have a Discord server in regards to Nasuverse’s stuff? I eventually am planning to do it in order to probably make it not a complete composite verse as there is some WOG statements I managed to find.
Hmmm, I see although it doesn’t seem to address the differences between the actual works and only address the similarities it seems which I believe is why the continuity is just a mess in the state it is sadly in or being treated that way anyway.
Oh yeah, in my cosmology blog, there is the fact about the pruning mechanics to cull the number of parallel worlds anyway.
This is a thing yeah, but this wouldn't really stop the number of them from being infinite, because based on the FSN, FGO, etc statements, there's an infinite amount. So culling any number from a starting point of infinity, will merely put you in infinity still, this is also ignoring the fact that more are constantly made, and ones designated for deletion are actually held for 100 years before being erased. The interpretation of an infinite amount being impossible is a flawed interpration, as the statement doesn't actually mention infinite ones being impossible, but rather that allowing them to endlessly grow unchecked is what's impossible. The growth, not the value.
Hmm are you sure? I thought that Fate Extella specifically mentioned something about many what ifs or something as you guys do need to bring up the respective scans from the respective series in question or something to refresh my memories of this especially with cross scaling and all the stuff.
I mean it is not a set in stone thing ngl, but that is my opinion on the matter as I probably do need some deeper digging into it as it is now.
Yes, the Altera route prologue (what is always brought up for this), specifically mentions the creation of more and not the number.
Idk it seems pretty set in stone to me considering it's mentioned multiple times in and out of universe, it'd be a bit hard for it to not be true.
https://vsbattles.com/threads/2-a-mooncell-question.115592/#post-4026946
That's the exact interpretation I was talking about yes. It stems from a very specific way of taking that quote, that isn't really correct, and is inconsistent if it was correct. The Japanese version actually makes this intepreation have even less ground to stand on, as it never mentions a manageable amount being needed, instead it only mentions the endless proliferation, which means that the argument of any amount being too high has no ground to stand on, as the only limiting factor mentioned in Japanese is the growth itself.
Nah, he's given input regarding KnK to Tsukihime as well. He's also given input regarding different parts of Fate to eachother, Tsukihime to Extra, Extra to Tsuki no Sango, Notes to some other stuff iirc, etc.
Again, we do need hard proof of statements and such regarding the connections between the works and stuff like in the case of Tsukihime and Fate. Also I not too sure about inputs from Nasu regarding works that isn’t written by him, but I will see how that goes.
I mean, we do have those though, and we have direct showings of them in the franchise. Look at Extra having Arc and Shiki, Melty Blood having Shiki, all the parts that have Aoko and Touko post certain events, FGO's KnK event, ORT in the different parts of the series, etc. This is stuff that doesn't really need me to provide scans as you can sorta just look at them and the explanations as to why they occur to figure things out.
Tsukihme and Mahou being the same world, and parallel ones to FGO (a single choice determines if it shifts to an FGO world)
FSN routes being parallel unless Zelretch is watching (and Nasu not liking the results of Zelretch watching)
Tsuki no Sango being a Land of Steel (Overcount 1999) world, and one where Tsukihime's events didn't happen
The connection between FSN, Zero, Apoc, Case Files, and SF, with them all being the same aside from small differences, and even usually outright being the same up to X point.
I mean the thing is that I quite literally used the main scan of the OP which was the crux of his argument to explain why the interpration is incorrect, as it's not actually substantiated by the Altera route scan (I also edited to talk about JP a bit since someone on that thread brought it up.)
Interesting enough, I do ponder at times if the infinite possibilities mean not been treated as strictly 2A or something as far as it goes, but that is my mind going at work as infinite possibilities of a single world or infinite possibilities being referred to as actual infinite number of parallel worlds, but since this mentioned infinite possibilities of human history, my mind do have to wonder as in Part 2, Da Vinci did mention the pruning mechanics later as I wonder if that have to make it a finite multiverse, but I digress on the matter as the scans you using is from Fate Grand Order, but I won’t lie. I do find it odd to for it being retroactively applied to Extella. Also speaking of the Lostbelts, I do recall that they were supported by the Trees last I checked and as such can been collapsed unless there are very specific circumstances that managed to prevent the collapsing part.
it's not really that it retroactively applies to Extella, as there were things pre Extella too, like the aforementioned Zelretch thing. Its just further support for already established things that happens to come after Extella and can help clarify the doubt as to the amount of universes. Pruning is mentioned in part 2 again yeah, iirc it explains why lostbelts are the way they are (all weird compared to the normal universe, and well, culled)
Yes, lostbelts are worlds that were culled, however the power of the Alien God through the fantasy trees is able to pin those timelines back down into reality, and they're able to persist so long as the trees are there to keep them locked down, and would eventually take over everything else if given enough time, at which point they wouldn't need the tree I believe.
In regards to the number of universes… The doubt does persist though.
With the exception of Extella and possibly a few others that mentioned it as the infinite number part is a side note compared to canonicity part of the Nasuverse.
| First Lady Infinite parallel worlds host infinite crises. That's where you'll find real enemies who need to be defeated. |
| Sessyoin Kiara Yes. Zepar's power taught me about many worlds so different from our own. Ah... “Parallel worlds” is it? Yes... “Chronicle Theoretical Phenomenon” and the like? Complex concepts. That is how I came to know about another version of me, one among the countless number to exist. And in her world, distant in time and space, the moon itself was a Holy Grail called the Mooncell Automaton. In a deep, dark space known as the Far Side of the Moon, that version of me was able to claim the Grail. Among the innumerable versions of me in numberless universes, she was the most...unique. Zepar was very, very pleased with her. So much so that he linked us together. I...I who did nothing but suffer as Seraphix fell into a frenzy... ...and into the other “me”, the one who acquired the Mooncell for herself. As a result of this link, we became one and the same. |
I believe that is actually covered in my old outdated cosmology blog so it is the info I used is fan translated.
In the same statement, it also mentions “many worlds” which definitely make things interesting.
It mentions it to say there are unlimited possibilities, and then explains what the actual issue is. It talks about the unlimited worlds, before then going "however, here's what is the issue". If the issue was the number, it would have said that, there wouldn't have been a however, they'd simply have said that the number can't get too high, but it starts off saying there's already unlimited.
As I said in my earlier comment, this part here actually doesn't exist in the Japanese version of the text, and is exclusively something thrown in by localization. This excerpt is just the localization of what Shadow already posted, which has lines outright not found in the original text
