To being fair, it seems to more akin to adding on the original text as in the original text or rewording :
Which also use the many in this case so I am admittedly curious if they decide to reword that part in the localization rather than it not being found in the original text.
My apologies for doing a two replies to this one, but this part “However, as the unrestricted propagation of this process would exhaust the lifespan of the universe, at set intervals, those extraneous worlds routes ( 世界ルート, sekairu-to?) removed of the category of "routes characterized by survivability and stability" are culled (伐採, basai, lit. "cull" / "prune"), so as to prevent the needless expenditure of energy” as it mentions the process will exhaust the lifespan of the universe ie. shortening the lifespan of the universe so the universe can end thanks to that said process.
Which is precisely why in one of my earlier comments, I noted that the way the Japanese version is worded would imply that the part which takes energy is the unlimited growth of worlds being allowed to continue unchecked, rather than any number of them being the issue.
What part of the interpretation would this make false? There being infinite worlds because it mentions numerous as well, despite saying possibilities=world, and infinite worlds both in this game and in other parts? I'll note that what it says is numerous are adjacent worlds, rather than just parallel ones, while both are born of possibilities and thus actually infinite, there are some vague differences between adjacent and parallel which is just, never addressed again.
Simplifying.
To being frank, I will mention that numerous worlds ≠ infinite possibilities in this case as infinite possibilities is being used to described the form of having no limit in time and/or space for that matter while numerous world can been and has mean many worlds rather than infinite numbers of worlds. However, I think we both know that this will implies the universe is actually putting a limit on the amount of worlds it can create rather than it being outright infinite number of worlds.
This has been said multiple times and for some reason this misundertanding stand. At this point, the answer is "No idea."
I'm not entirely sure what you're saying here. It says numerous worlds in reference to adjacent ones, and also specifies unlimited possibilities, while later in the same part of the game (the Altera prologue) they state that possibilities is what causes parallel worlds to exist which is why the lack of possibilities means no more parallel worlds, and it gets culled
They're almost exclusively used interchangeably, in fact, I can't really think of a single case that would lead to the assumption they aren't. Even the same Altera Route prologue, as I said, specifically says that possibilities are what create parallel worlds, the stuff from FSN that says that as well, FGO, etc.
You are saying Musashi's Empyrean Eye destroys infinite worlds but one?
In the same Fate Extella Prologue, it does also mention many realities in and I don’t think I see the infinite possibilities in there. The infinite possibilities you mentioned is in the Fate Extella mats regarding how Quantum Time Lock works and by extension, the pruning mechanism.
To being more specific, it kinda involves cross scaling with cosmology if I gonna been honest.
It says unlimited possibilities in JP, it's the thing Shadow posted
It's also part of the prologue you're quoting, this is all describing the same thing in any case, as that's what the prologue is describing, it's just talking about branching and QTLs etc
It does mention numerous worlds and realities yes, and it mentions this after possibilities correct, however the prologue excerpt also specifically says
It also right before this part says that it only maintains those worlds capable of having those possibilities. So it's saying that the possibilities being able to exist is what makes the worlds, that's their branching potential, which the Otherworlds (dead ends) lack
Hmmm I like to note since it mentions possibilities = worlds part, wouldn’t that make it so it is possibilities = worlds = realities in this case?
I don't entirely understand, but possibility=world=reality is in fact correct, however them saying the many this time rather than infinite or unlimited doesn't really discount the earlier statements in the same exact excerpt.
That is a way to interpret it yes, I mentioned this above, that the way the Japanese version is worded implies the branching itself is what consumes energy, rather than the amount of worlds, and thus there is no actual limit on the amount to disprove infinite, as that's already an established number, and what's being said to take up energy isn't the number, but the branching being allowed to happen without being controlled (i.e wasted on worlds that would have no branches themselves)
I think so… Oh ninja’d.
I mean unlimited possibilities part is true, but I think my confusion stems on the fact many realities and numerous worlds part is what throwing me off as it is basically saying it is a finite multiverse rather than a infinite multiverse in my point of view as possibility being described in the prologue:
The problem is that the branching possibility is the same thing as the adjacent worlds existing themselves, LITERALLY. They are given as ruby text of one another. You are taking them as two different things with no link. The idea of infintie worlds also doesn't explain either the conservation of phenomena nor the audition of the average value done so as to do the culling process - which is the center of the idea of Quantum Time Locks existence, to create something stable on the instability that is a time axis. It just completely forgets all the details of Quantum Time Locks and exaplins the surface of the idea.
To add to that - even if the possibilities themselves are unlimited, we know some things are ''somewhat fixed'' as things that HAVE to take place, and that are, by Counter-Force, ''directed so as to take place'', Locks. Possiblities may be infinite, things that ''are'', if this can be even said, are limited, some defined or enforced by Coutner-Force.
Worlds=Realities doesn't follow. Worlds of the same tree all exist within one Human Order, given they share Locks. The thing gets strange with Artur (male) and Illyaverse, with the idea of two different Time Trees and I don't remember enough of that to talk about it.
Branching Potential is given as the ruby text for Parallel worlds yes. That part of it explains that the branching potential is the ability to have possibilities which produce worlds still.
This however, is because the action of branching and the parallel worlds aren't the same. What is being said to take energy is the action, the branching process, the creation of the worlds, not the potential of the worlds to branch, you're connecting the wrong parts together. You're currently saying that adjacent worlds=potential to branch=takes energy, but what is said to take energy in the quote isn't the potential, it's the actual branching.
This part also doesn't make sense. You're basically saying that infinite worlds doesn't work with the idea that worlds that are too different are culled yeah? But like, why would that be the case? Given the infinite amount we've been told, if they branch out too far (in ways where no more possibilities can exist), those Otherworlds are culled. Let's say they cull 700 billion of them marked for deletion or something.
Yeah idk what to tell you then, at this point it'd be me repeating the same things I've already said because we've been going for like 10+ posts over the exact same quote. They're simply not repeating infinite, as it is bad writing to repeat the same word over and over again, and so, after establishing the amount as unlimited, and the connections to show that world=possibilities=realities, they branched into using other words to describe the quantity, so as to not be super repetitive in the already boring exposition dump.
I was using the interpretation used in a different thread so there is that.
You are forgeting the beginning, how the ''layout'' we are talking about was created (and to even say the choice creates something is already to buy in the logic of Universe of Observation, which can't be related to the things we are talking about). The Adjacent Worlds are themselves the Branching Potential. The existence of the Adjacent Worlds, Worlds similar enough and close enough to the one we are talking about, is the manifestation of the fact that exist the possibility of someone's actions affecting said World's time axis so as to change something.
The Branching Process is actually never said to be the creator of the World. Even Musashi, for example, cannot create a new possibility at first, only limit the existing ones to a specific result.
This has been addresed indirectly already I guess.
There was never any infinite to begin - And the, unless you are saying we START at infinite, what I don't see any data sustaining, finite x Y never gets to infinite. At least not confirmed. Excluding Arthur (male) and Illya, we know for sure it exists in ONE Dimension/Univrese. And said Universe has a limited HD. So... Things don't add up.
No, they say: -- And the principle behind it is simple. To a certain extent, the existence known as the World (世界という者, Sekai to Iu Mono?, lit. "the thing called the World") conducts a hueristic analysis (統計, toukei?) of timeline survivability (進むと可能性, susumu to kanousei?, lit. "prospects and potential"), preserving only those Outcomes wherein "the operation of the subsequent era" (次の時代の運営, Tsugi no Jidai no Unei?) isn't impossible. For those Adjacent Worlds judged to be unnecessary - the future is closed. --
This is indeed something you could argue, if the manageable part was actually part of the original text. However being that the manageable amount thing is both not part of the original text, and the original text says that what takes up energy is not the number of worlds, but the branching process, my example of infinite-finite still holds.
This is taking some odd assumptions to reach this conclusion. Firstly, it assumes that it would both need to be talking about the universe of awareness for what I'm saying to be true, and also assumes that nothing in the prologue refers to it. This is confirmed outright false in the materials for the QTLs, as they explicitly mention that this same method is how the world outside the mooncell operates (culling timelines which can't branch anymore), and then both the mats and game goes on to mention how the mooncell has the exact same process. Speaking of the QTL material, it makes pretty clear note that it is again, the actual propagation of the process (creation of worlds, the actual branching) which takes energy, and then that routes which can't survive are what are culled. It also pretty explicitly shows us that the branching process is in fact, what makes worlds
None of this shows that possibilities suddenly are different than reality though. In fact, the first part there actively shows that possibilities are realities, meanwhile a world which can not produce them anymore, the dead end ones, have an ordained outcome. We know from KnK that actual ordained outcomes (something that is exceedingly rare to occur, and is usually through an observer choosing the outcome), can have no variance, there is no way an ordained outcome can go besides how it's meant to. Meaning there are no possibilities, and as the quote says, no more worlds.
Check above, I explained why the branching process is the thing that creates the worlds. Musashi holds no relevance here as she doesn't cause new possibilities to exist until she learns that ability, and her knowing it or not holds no bearing to whether or not branching makes the worlds.
Small correction, the counter force is not the sum of Gaia and Alaya, they have separate ones which have outright opposed goals. Anyway I'm not sure what you're trying to point out here, the quote is saying that, in order to keep the proliferation of the process of the creation of worlds under control, existences deemed unnecessary (Otherworlds) which can't produce any more worlds. Because as you know, the part you quoted is just above the part which talks about the things being culled being those that lack branching potential, and then goes onto explain that the worlds which lack this branching potential are the ones with preordained outcomes (no possibilities according to KnK)
It does still in fact mention a lack of energy in the dimension. I believe what it's trying to say is that there's not enough energy to spend on increasing things coming off of wrong outcomes or something along those lines, but if you cared enough you could find someone to try and give a more in depth translation than a quick second long glance.
Here's where the issues lie. The assumption that it all exists in one universe is outright unsubstantiated so I'm not going to address it. Moving onto the rest though. Why does one Dimension mean there can't be infinite? Why are you assuming this dimension refers to something lower than the multiverse? These worlds outright exist at the same time, this is absolutely an inarguable fact, as shown by Achimedes, and the mooncell being able to cull the worlds outside itself too.
This is explained though, it's explained as EMIYA being Shirou from another world. He's not from the future of the FSN world, as none of those routes result in Archer, he's from his own, so I'm not sure what you're trying to prove with this part
Tbf, Earth isn’t being mentioned as being multi sized, it is the Universe as it does mention it as Earth is part of the universe, not Earth = universe sized or multiverse ngl.
Actually I was hoping for answers for the continuity of the Nasuverse as that was the original intention to begin with.
