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First things first, does Risotto have to actively target his opponent with his Stand in order for it to affect them? Because if not he'd have a hell of a time doing anything to Neo due to her illusion spam, he'd be fighting an illusory copy of her the entire time while wondering why Metallica isnt doing anything to her.Will her Aura protect her from Iron razorblades, Nails, Scalpels, Scissors from cutting up her insides?
And if it does how will she deal with his invisibility and him stealing all her iron and waiting for her to die or pass out from lack of oxygen?
His stand relies on magnetism so he might be able to keep track of the real neo by using the magnetic forces like how doppio did and aren't her copies stationary?First things first, does Risotto have to actively target his opponent with his Stand in order for it to affect them? Because if not he'd have a hell of a time doing anything to Neo due to her illusion spam, he'd be fighting an illusory copy of her the entire time while wondering why Metallica isnt doing anything to her.
I don't know if you can make that argument. Risotto never displayed any abilities that involve tracking opponents down. He didn't need to against Doppio, as the latter doesn't have invisibility. Doppio was initially able to track Risotto down because he figured out that his ability works by pulling metal towards him.His stand relies on magnetism so he might be able to keep track of the real neo by using the magnetic forces like how doppio did
Her copies arent stationary no, they do pretty much whatever she wants them to, its one of her main tactics in a fight to have her illusory copy fight the opponent while rendering herself invisible so she can constantly misdirect themHis stand relies on magnetism so he might be able to keep track of the real neo by using the magnetic forces like how doppio did and aren't her copies stationary?
Once he drains her of most of her iron she shouldn't be able to rely on her semblance as she'd be exhausted
Also her profile makes it seem like the copies can't function without her near them to maintain them otherwise they shatter like glass when hitHer copies arent stationary no, they do pretty much whatever she wants them to, its one of her main tactics in a fight to have her illusory copy fight the opponent while rendering herself invisible so she can constantly misdirect them
Neo's illusions have a significant range actually, she was able to maintain an illusion from tens of meters away inside of a helicopter as well as from a block away outside of a building, she doesnt have to be close to him at all.and if she's nearby when she makes them he might end up affecting her real body when targeting her copies like when he killed the frog near doppio which I believe was unintentional
So for now I'm Voting for Nero
Has he ever actually shown the ability to do that though? If not you really cant argue that its something he would do or even have the capacity to do, he's only shown the ability to manipulate iron in opponents near him, not sense iron in the environment.He could probably tell what's real or not by what has iron and what doesn't too and he probably could tell where the iron in the area is and use that has an indicator
Neo's illusions have a significant range actually, she was able to maintain an illusion from tens of meters away inside of a helicopter as well as from a block away outside of a building, she doesnt have to be close to him at all.
And again, how would he affect her if he cant target her due to her being invisible. His profile does not say that Metallica affects everything around him passively so theres no reason to assume he would just affect her by default.
How am I supposed to prove something that Nero did not have to do or even get to do? It's just a logical assumption that he could use his ability that wayYou've yet to provide evidence that Risotto can track down iron or metal. I can't remember that ever being stated anywhere. He's able to pull it out of the environment during his fight with Doppio because he knows by default that there are traces of it in grass, sand, and blood. That doesn't mean he can track it down.
Because we aren't a website that operates on assumptions. We operate on evidence.How am I supposed to prove something that Nero did not have to do or even get to do? It's just a logical assumption that he could use his ability that way
Will you stop harassing me?I already gave you other valid reasoning for my vote so drop it. For **** sake.Because we aren't a website that operates on assumptions. We operate on evidence.
We're not going to upgrade GER to 2-A because it can be "logically assumed" that it created infinite universes, because there's no evidence backing that up, and there's no reason to pick that theory over simpler explanations, such as GER creating a single pocket reality for Diavolo to die in repeatedly, or that Diavolo is simply being transported across already existing universes.
It's the same thing here. Unless you're willing to provide something that I might've missed, I don't recall Risotto ever being stated or shown to be capable of sensing iron with his ability, and I see no reason to pick that theory over the simpler explanation that he just knows all of the places where it's already located, and therefore has immediate access to it at all times.
I elected not to respond to your reasoning, mostly because I was already committed to typing my response before you posted your argument about Risotto spamming scalpels. Also, as the OP, I feel it would be in bad taste for me to try and influence your vote. I will, however, push back against claims I feel are unsupported. Spinoirr seems knowledgeable on RWBY while I am not, so I only have so much room to push back against them.Will you stop harassing me?I already gave you other valid reasoning for my vote so drop it. For **** sake.
The thing is, there'd only be one illusion at any given time. He's not going to be trying to figure out which is real and which is fake because there'll only be one while Neo renders herself invisible.Should point out, but wouldnt Nero trying to use some iron against an illusion and nothing happening indicate which is and isn't real?
I feel like there's to much arguing if he can or can't detect iron instead of just going with the more logical "he'd figure it out really fast either way" route.
“I shouldn’t be on here if I can’t handle that.”I elected not to respond to your reasoning, mostly because I was already committed to typing my response before you posted your argument about Risotto spamming scalpels. Also, as the OP, I feel it would be in bad taste for me to try and influence your vote. I will, however, push back against claims I feel are unsupported. Spinoirr seems knowledgeable on RWBY while I am not, so I only have so much room to push back against them.
Also, I'm not harrassing you. I simply told you we need evidence backing up the claim that Risotto can sense iron, and gave an in-depth explanation on why "it's just a logical assumption" doesn't cut it. With all due respect, you shouldn't be on here if you cannot handle that.
Metallica bypasses durability however the only reason this isn’t a stomp rn is that Nero also turns invisible and it becomes a ghost hunt but if Nero makes Neo Vomit razor blades the moment they spawn in he can track her using the blood to finish her off or simply let her suffocate by waiting her outThe thing is, there'd only be one illusion at any given time. He's not going to be trying to figure out which is real and which is fake because there'll only be one while Neo renders herself invisible.
Which brings up another problem for Nero; He's 10-A while Neo is High 8-C
Nero can go invisible too and usually leads with that, and if he gets one wound on her, it makes tracking her less difficult.The thing is, there'd only be one illusion at any given time. He's not going to be trying to figure out which is real and which is fake because there'll only be one while Neo renders herself invisible.
Which brings up another problem for Nero; He's 10-A while Neo is High 8-C
Neo's senses should be able to cover that actually, from the recent novel she has absurd aura control enough to rival people who can sense opponents they cant see from tens of meters away. Also, wounding her is kinda hard to do due to her aura forcefield.Nero can go invisible too and usually leads with that, and if he gets one wound on her, it makes tracking her less difficult.
Eeeeh mid-low regen might cover that? Not sure if thats mid-low or high-low tbh.And when it comes to tiers, they both kinda one shot, unless Neo can survive things like blades appearing inside her neck and slicing open her jugular.
Also, wounding her is kinda hard to do due to her aura forcefield.
Eeeeh mid-low regen might cover that? Not sure if thats mid-low or high-low tbh.
Regen wouldn’t replenish any iron in her body as iron can’t be naturally made and needs to be absorbed from eating meats and wouldn’t prevent her from suffocating from lack of ironNeo's senses should be able to cover that actually, from the recent novel she has absurd aura control enough to rival people who can sense opponents they cant see from tens of meters away. Also, wounding her is kinda hard to do due to her aura forcefield.
Eeeeh mid-low regen might cover that? Not sure if thats mid-low or high-low tbh.
Neo by word of god would beat the most skilled assassin and one of the most blanket skilled CQC fighters in her verse as well as match an opponent with instinctive reactions so him being a skilled assassin really isnt enough to stay out of her senses.I'm aware that she has enhanced senses, and that might be enough to pinpoint Nero, but it's still kinda tough, Nero can go invisible but atop that, he's also a skilled and trained assassin, it's not a normal invisible dude, but rather a invisible dude who knows to mitigate himself and stay hidden. So it's a bit weird, it ain't like he's j u s t invisible.
Fair but from what we've seen he doesnt lead with immediately splitting open someone's head with scissors, and hes not bloodlusted here nor is does he have prior knowledge.No it isn't, at all, Nero can straight up kill her the moment the match starts if he really wants to. He can essentially thought based one shot as long as the match starts within 10m if he's straight up trying to kill right away, which, oddly enough, that OP started them off in.
It was an example of something he actually tried to do against Doppio, if he's not ******* around it could be far worse, nothing is stopping him from spawning blades inside someone's head.
What is the reasoning for Metallica bypassing aura?Just have blades spawn inside her head, Nero doesn't need to bypass any aura at all, he isn't attacking from the outside, he's attacking from within her, the aura is a completely moot point here, which is why I brought it up, if he wasn't attacking internally he wouldn't be able to harm to begin with, he lacks the AP, it's the dura neg that allows him to wound in the first place, it's also what allows him to bypass the aura and one shot even if he plays his cards right.
Neo by word of god would beat the most skilled assassin and one of the most blanket skilled CQC fighters in her verse as well as match an opponent with instinctive reactions so him being a skilled assassin really isnt enough to stay out of her senses.
Fair but from what we've seen he doesnt lead with immediately splitting open someone's head with scissors, and hes not bloodlusted here nor is does he have prior knowledge.
What is the reasoning for Metallica bypassing aura?
Yes, she can sense him as she can sense life forces and killing intent via her aura senses.Literally none of what you said indicates "yeah she can sense a master assassin who's invisible and is actively mitigating any and all movements to heighten that making himself far harder to detect even if he was just invisible".
Yes, we dont know how he fights against other opponents, he only has the fight with Doppio fight to go off of for how he would go about a fight. Arguing otherwise dips into a bunch of assumptions that have no clear answer as we never saw him fight anyone other than Doppio, thus it cant really be argued that he would fight differently. And again, he has no prep time, no prior knowledge, and isnt bloodlusted, so theres no reason to just assume that he would instantly jump to going for the kill off the bat.From what we seen?
What puts Neo at an advantage here is Nero not leading with an instant killing blow in-character, Neo being able to sense him if he goes invisible, Neo being able to spam her own invisibility and illusions, and being able to oneshot him with a casual punch.So again, not seeing anything that puts Neo at a huge advantage here, both her and Nero are kinda ****** if they **** up even once or if they hesitate at the start for even a moment. 10m is a pretty damning starting distance though, that's right within Nero's AOE. If it was even just 11m I'd have been inclined to say Neo would probably win but 10m is just enough.
Oml he only didn't immediately kill doppio because he was interrogating him and the guy on the computer he was threating so he could get what L Squadra needed and imeadietly killed him after they got what they wanted. Nero would 100 percent go for the kill immediatelyYes, she can sense him as she can sense life forces and killing intent via her aura senses.
Yes, we dont know how he fights against other opponents, he only has the fight with Doppio fight to go off of for how he would go about a fight. Arguing otherwise dips into a bunch of assumptions that have no clear answer as we never saw him fight anyone other than Doppio, thus it cant really be argued that he would fight differently. And again, he has no prep time, no prior knowledge, and isnt bloodlusted, so theres no reason to just assume that he would instantly jump to going for the kill off the bat.
What puts Neo at an advantage here is Nero not leading with an instant killing blow in-character, Neo being able to sense him if he goes invisible, Neo being able to spam her own invisibility and illusions, and being able to oneshot him with a casual punch.
Basically unless you can prove that he actually goes for a lethal blow immediately in combat beyond the reasoning of 'he's an assassin so he must lead with a killing blow', Neo would take this more times than not.
Well yeah, because he thought doppio was just a weird kid, he didnt lead with killing him off the bat and even after learning that he had stand powers he still didn't lead with killing himOml he only didn't immediately kill doppio because he was interrogating him and the guy on the computer he was threating so he could get what L Squadra needed and imeadietly killed him after they got what they wanted. Nero would 100 percent go for the kill immediately
Yes, she can sense him as she can sense life forces and killing intent via her aura senses.
Yes, we dont know how he fights against other opponents,
he only has the fight with Doppio fight to go off of for how he would go about a fight.
Arguing otherwise dips into a bunch of assumptions that have no clear answer as we never saw him fight anyone other than Doppio,
thus it cant really be argued that he would fight differently.
And again, he has no prep time, no prior knowledge, and isnt bloodlusted, so theres no reason to just assume that he would instantly jump to going for the kill off the bat.
What puts Neo at an advantage here is Nero not leading with an instant killing blow in-character, Neo being able to sense him if he goes invisible, Neo being able to spam her own invisibility and illusions, and being able to oneshot him with a casual punch.
Basically unless you can prove that he actually goes for a lethal blow immediately in combat beyond the reasoning of 'he's an assassin so he must lead with a killing blow', Neo would take this more times than not.
Way to leave out the context of he knew he was a Stand User, straight up said why he was keeping him alive, and was trying to get info out of him regarding The Boss because he knew Doppio wasn't just some weird kid, but actually connected to The Boss due to him being a Stand User, guess what, Nero was right, he was not only connected to The Boss, he was The Boss.Well yeah, because he thought doppio was just a weird kid, he didnt lead with killing him off the bat and even after learning that he had stand powers he still didn't lead with killing him
And? It's not on me to keep that up to date, come back when it's updated I guess, till then, i don't wanna hear it.Neo's profile is outdated thanks to the new light novel that came out last month