NEP IX problem (HSR)

[SuperNova55555]

do you not understand that if the concepts like nihility (any other concept in general) ESPECIALLY nihility in this case would
lnstantly cease to exist because Irontomb destroyed universe and guess what? not even the very path irontomb is made to destroy wasnt destroyed so NO its not tied to real space when the very source of paths comes from imaginary itself DIRECTLY from imaginary space

Uh… did you read my comment? It’s clearly implicit that I think Aeons exist in Imaginary Space lel. I’m saying IX as merely nothingness (NOT the concept) is only relevant in Real Space otherwise it can’t be that the Nihility Energy is nothing itself, otherwise it wouldn’t even be a Path. Same way it can’t be that Equilibirum energy is nondual itself

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Uh… did you read my comment? It’s clearly implicit that I think Aeons exist in Imaginary Space lel. I’m saying IX as merely nothingness (NOT the concept) is only relevant in Real Space otherwise it can’t be that the Nihility Energy is nothing itself, otherwise it wouldn’t even be a Path. Same way it can’t be that Equilibirum energy is nondual itself

But the very true form of aeons is the path itself??
literally everything Aeons do in the real space is their Avatar
everything IX does in the universe is done by their manifestations aka shadow of IX
you can even say that the other side of univere
is just THEIR manifestation
you cant just say that paths are just limited
to real space when the paths itself exist beyond real space which what aeons literally are
i could be wrong so, but yes i dont see how paths are only tied to real space in any way

 

[Weaver261]

I just disagree in general that logic is meant to represent truth values here. It’s a very unclarified term that we’re wanking here btw; most likely it’s just referring to coherence and reason, which is not something unexpected as objects of understanding are only things that exist.

You also can't say it doesn't. HooH description literally includes this.

HooH dissolved THEIR will into the web of logic behind the universe's movement, maintaining the balance and stability of all things in perpetuity.

HooH dissolved their will into web of logic behind universe's movement, maintaining the balance which is seperating concepts with their negations. Since IX is outside of logic, negation shouldn't be possible for it since 0 is 1's negation and negation is part of logical operation.

But anyway, I will leave it here for somebody who can argue it better than me. Count me as disagree

 

[SuperNova55555]

But the very true form of aeons is the path itself??
literally everything Aeons do in the real space is their Avatar
everything IX does in the universe is done by their manifestations aka shadow of IX
you can even say that the other side of univere
is just THEIR manifestation
you cant just say that paths are just limited
to real space when the paths itself exist beyond real space which what aeons literally are
i could be wrong so, but yes i dont see how paths are only tied to real space in any way

1) Paths and Aeons are explicitly different things. Reading Comprehension Aeon striking again smh smh.

2) I’m not saying Paths are tied to Real Space, I’m saying that Imaginary Energy is not what is manifested by them. Nihility is only nothingness in Real Space but not in Imaginary Space the same way objects are different in the two spaces. So if Destruction is what is manifested by the Path of Destruction, it can’t therefore be that the Path is Destruction itself if the latter is what is posterior to it.

You also can't say it doesn't. HooH description literally includes this.

HooH dissolved their will into web of logic behind universe's movement, maintaining the balance which is seperating concepts with their negations. Since IX is outside of logic, negation shouldn't be possible for it since 0 is 1's negation and negation is part of logical operation.

But anyway, I will leave it here for somebody who can argue it better than me. Count me as disagree

Nihility is specifically something that HooH (and the Arbitrators) can control. So if you think that nothingness is not a constituent of the Tree then be my guest to contradict what is written.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

I strongly disagree with the OP, the reason is very simple:

One side of the coin: EVERYTHING that makes up reality (which includes the Sea of Quanta, Imaginary Tree and Imaginary Space), while the other side of the coin: Nihility

The Imaginary Space is omnipresent across the existence

The Sea of Quanta is a boundless void of nothingness, while the Imaginary Space is THE absolute nothingness. IX is indeed beyond said absolute nothingness, as explained by the coin analogy I mentioned above, in addition to this

 

[Weaver261]

Nihility is specifically something that HooH (and the Arbitrators) can control. So if you think that nothingness is not a constituent of the Tree then be my guest to contradict what is written.

Nihility is literally outside of the tree.

The Masked Fools tell a parable of the birth of their beloved Aeon. When the Aeon of Elation climbed to the highest branch on the Tree of Existence, THEY saw the cold and despicable void, the stars operating like machinery, and how the meaning of all things bows before nothingness.

Based on records from around Year 1000 SC, the nine initial Xianzhou ships first set sail on their arduous journey and witnessed the almighty barrier separating the world from the endless void: the Echidna Skywall.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Someone mistakenly put "All Aspects" whilel only putting Other, Time and History as one. lol

What is wrong with "All Aspects"? Should we mention each Aspect instead of just "All Aspects"?

 

[Voidnether]

2) I’m not saying Paths are tied to Real Space, I’m saying that Imaginary Energy is not what is manifested by them. Nihility is only nothingness in Real Space but not in Imaginary Space the same way objects are different in the two spaces. So if Destruction is what is manifested by the Path of Destruction, it can’t therefore be that the Path is Destruction itself if the latter is what is posterior to it.

By that logic, the NEP1 of the Aeons would be superior despite the Aeons themselves being detectable and IX, is just not at all.

You know clearly their NEP1 comes from the Imaginary Space, if this is the way you'd be arguing things then that's just saying Aeons like Lan would be superior than IX in terms of nonexistence, no, that's not how it works.

Aeons are the amalgamation of concepts within Imaginary Space, a realm that is the absolute nothingness, void without any meaning or common sense, devoid of time being the opposite of reality, with them having no past, since when one ascends into Aeonhood, their past and future becomes inundated by their Path, while IX is beyond the conceptual void consisted of pure nothingness, as they are undetectable and unidentifiable by any means

You know what's funny though? It was literally in the justification itself that IX is the opposite of the Imaginary Tree and the Sea of Quanta that supposedly makes up entire existence as the former is the existence itself and the latter is simply the nonexistence itself, that's it yeah.

 

[SuperNova55555]

Nihility is literally outside of the tree.

The first one is referring to the void of space; i.e cosmic indifference. Which is just a general reference to Elation’s relation with absurdism.

The second one is referring to Qlipoth’s barrier separating the universe from the Leviathans. The Leviathans and what they’ve eaten aren’t IX.

 

[SuperNova55555]

By that logic, the NEP1 of the Aeons would be superior despite the Aeons themselves being detectable and IX, is just not at all.

You know clearly their NEP1 comes from the Imaginary Space, if this is the way you'd be arguing things then that's just saying Aeons like Lan would be superior than IX in terms of nonexistence, no, that's not how it works.

No, I’m saying that Imaginary Space has parts the same way Real Space has. Because it is implicitly stated that it has that. The Imaginary itself has varying parts (Paths) because all Path Energy aren’t the same.

I’m just saying that when that Imaginary is manifested, it takes on “real” form, but it is still fundamentally different from the other things whilst in Imaginary Space even if unmanifested.

So, Nihility is non-existence in Real Space, but no in Imaginary Space, yet it still remains different from other things even whilst in Imaginary Space, otherwise Paths would be undifferentiated

 

[PedjaTarzan]

1) Paths and Aeons are explicitly different things. Reading Comprehension Aeon striking again smh smh.

2) I’m not saying Paths are tied to Real Space, I’m saying that Imaginary Energy is not what is manifested by them. Nihility is only nothingness in Real Space but not in Imaginary Space the same way objects are different in the two spaces. So if Destruction is what is manifested by the Path of Destruction, it can’t therefore be that the Path is Destruction itself if the latter is what is posterior to it.

• Paths (Destruction; Can use all the powers and has all resistances that their Pathstriders and Emanators obtained through the Path of Destruction, as Nanook is the only entity capable of wielding their Path at full capacity and without restriction

im actually ******* baffled that in big 2026 we consider paths and aeons separate entities when they are literally same ******* shit, you cant do this to me when u cant understand that Paths are what Aeons embody so they will literally be the same ******* shit Aeons are.
So what the **** do you expect me to say after this
We have Furina having Nanook unable to control very path THEY ARE, and how IX is just nothigness despite being opposite of everything across imaginary and real space.
And literally told you that what aeons do in universe is trough THEIR avatars/manifestations but no Aeons are different from paths despite being explicitly same shit.
So now i want YOU to find me anything that makes Aeons=/=THEIR paths...
Like i genuenly cannot believe you said that what they manifested isnt the same shit they use as their power (paths=img energy)
I do wonder why nanook has to descend from imaginary space to slime aelenev, why Lan has to descend into real space to shoot their ******* arrows and why only thing we see about IX are THEIR shadows .

 

[Weaver261]

The first one is referring to the void of space; i.e cosmic indifference. Which is just a general reference to Elation’s relation with absurdism.

The Fools believe that the truth of the world is a joke, and that the ultimate meaning of all things lies in mere laughter. The universe is merciless, but there is joy to eliminate pain, dilute sorrow, resist nihilism, and heal wounds. Laughter, the gift of intelligent races, is the only answer.

From the same description

Second one about leviathan is not echidna skywall but rather Subspace crystalline barrier.

 

[SuperNova55555]

im actually ******* baffled that in big 2026 we consider paths and aeons separate entities when they are literally same ******* shit, you cant do this to me when u cant understand that Paths are what Aeons embody so they will literally be the same ******* shit Aeons are.
So what the **** do you expect me to say after this
We have Furina having Nanook unable to control very path THEY ARE, and how IX is just nothigness despite being opposite of everything across imaginary and real space.
And literally told you that what aeons do in universe is trough THEIR avatars/manifestations but no Aeons are different from paths despite being explicitly same shit.
So now i want YOU to find me anything that makes Aeons=/=THEIR paths...
Like i genuenly cannot believe you said that what they manifested isnt the same shit they use as their power (paths=img energy)
I do wonder why nanook has to descend from imaginary space to slime aelenev, why Lan has to descend into real space to shoot their ******* arrows and why only thing we see about IX are THEIR shadows .

Paths are implicitly just the Energy an Aeon controls.

 

[SuperNova55555]

From the same description

Yea, and? Absurdism is defined in relation to Nihilism. That is, the indifference of the cosmos (void). That’s what I just said. But the Void of space isn’t literally non-existence.

Second one about leviathan is not echidna skywall but rather Subspace crystalline barrier.

Not sure what you mean here. The Echidna Skywall is the barrier that Qlipoth creates. Even the HSR wiki tells you this

 

[Weaver261]

Yea, and? Absurdism is defined in relation to Nihilism. That is, the indifference of the cosmos (void). That’s what I just said. But the Void of space isn’t literally non-existence.

There's a void and Aha upon seeing this laughed which is resisting Nihility as stated here. You literally can't disprove this void isn't IX

Not sure what you mean here. The Echidna Skywall is the barrier that Qlipoth creates. Even the HSR wiki tells you this

OFc qlipoth created it but that doesn't mean it is for Leviathans. For Leviathans, Subspace crystalline barrier was created. Echidna skywall is to protect the universe from the endless void which is IX.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Paths are implicitly just the Energy an Aeon controls.

that literally proves that Paths cant be tied to real space if anything, because if Aeon were to die like akivili then there would be nothing path of traiblaze can do because they wouldnt be able to draw the very power of that path from img space.
tho yeah i ****** up i didnt meant to say same entity but the same shit they embody.
The only difference is that Aeons can die and paths can remain, but what i want to say is that assuming that paths can just affect real space is straight up wrong so IX being only nonexistence across real space is BS

 

[SuperNova55555]

There's a void and Aha upon seeing this laughed which is resisting Nihility as stated here. You literally can't disprove this void isn't IX

I mean, if you want to say Void of Space = IX then be my guest, but realize that that means that it doesn’t even get NEP1.

OFc qlipoth created it but that doesn't mean it is for Leviathans. For Leviathans, Subspace crystalline barrier was created. Echidna skywall is to protect the universe from the endless void which is IX

Aeon of Headcanon over here. All the structures Qlipoth creates are for Leviathans, and Echidna Skywall is just another name for the barrier.

that literally proves that Paths cant be tied to real space if anything, because if Aeon were to die like akivili then there would be nothing path of traiblaze can do because they wouldnt be able to draw the very power of that path from img space.
tho yeah i ****** up i didnt meant to say same entity but the same shit they embody.
The only difference is that Aeons can die and paths can remain, but what i want to say is that assuming that paths can just affect real space is straight up wrong so IX being only nonexistence across real space is BS

Paths are just energy

The “nothingness” IX represents is just what is manifested from the energy of Nihility. But the energy of Nihility can’t itself be nothing.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

oh and btw, the only aeon that is outright confirmed to die is just Akivili, Tazzy is sealed, Long is "Dead" (literally what permamence is about) and every other path is just alive or "yet to rise" due to how remembrance and finality functions. so the only aeon with this genuine anti feat is akivili (definetly not a set up for aeon of TB MC)

 

[Furina003]

I strongly disagree with the OP, the reason is very simple:

One side of the coin: EVERYTHING that makes up reality (which includes the Sea of Quanta, Imaginary Tree and Imaginary Space), while the other side of the coin: Nihility

The Imaginary Space is omnipresent across the existence

The Sea of Quanta is a boundless void of nothingness, while the Imaginary Space is THE absolute nothingness. IX is indeed beyond said absolute nothingness, as explained by the coin analogy I mentioned above, in addition to this

There's no such thing as the flip side of IT and SoQ; this is simply an exaggeration and a misnomer. Clearly, IX is simply the opposite of something real: logic, matter, order, etc., which means it's also the opposite of existence, which means it's nothingness.
This feat is simply misinterpreted and exaggerated, assuming all reality has meaning, including IT and SoQ, when in fact it doesn't.

For example, if one side of this coin is existence, then the flip side is nothingness, the absence of logic, the absence of matter, imbalance, and so on. So, no matter what, this feat doesn't prove that IX exists between existence and nothingness, implying it's neither 0 nor 1, but rather that IX is simply the absence of the aspects that support reality, not an existence in between; IX is simply 0.

 

[SuperNova55555]

oh and btw, the only aeon that is outright confirmed to die is just Akivili, Tazzy is sealed, Long is "Dead" (literally what permamence is about) and every other path is just alive or "yet to rise" due to how remembrance and finality functions. so the only aeon with this genuine anti feat is akivili (definetly not a set up for aeon of TB MC)

Mind you, the Path of Order was going to revive Ena. So it can’t be that the Path is Ena otherwise why would it need to revive itself

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Paths are just energy

The “nothingness” IX represents is just what is manifested from the energy of Nihility. But the energy of Nihility can’t itself be nothing.

That makes 0 sense when the very PATH and ENERGY is tied to the concept of nothigness/nonexistence. they EMBODY that.
That would literally mean that its just Not nonexistent and that the path they embody is bullshit and false. (just how hsr feat are according to redditors).
and its not like imaginary energy comes from very place thats considered conceptual void of nothigness or just absolute nothingness whatever (img space) so what IX can do is already justified.

 

[SuperNova55555]

That makes 0 sense when the very PATH and ENERGY is tied to the concept of nothigness/nonexistence. they EMBODY that.
That would literally mean that its just Not nonexistent and that the path they embody is bullshit and false. (just how hsr feat are according to redditors).
and its not like imaginary energy comes from very place thats considered conceptual void of nothigness or just absolute nothingness whatever (img space) so what IX can do is already justified.

Lwk whether or not this is true (energy being non-existence) doesn’t even matter. How Nihility differentiates itself from other Paths in Imaginary Space is irrelevant as long as it differentiates itself in some way

 

[NothingToDebateWith]

I am just quoting Border of Nihility from the Data Bank and stepping back. Figure the rest on your own.

The Horizon of Existence, often referred to as the Border of Nihility by the Intelligentsia Guild, marks the boundary between existence and nihility. This boundary does not pertain to the material realm but signifies the conceptual "end of reality."

...

Despite this divergence, both sides agree on one aspect: The Border of Nihility solely affects its observers. In other words, once an individual has observed the Border of Nihility, they cannot stop this behavior and will irreversibly move towards the edge of the border, with no possibility of escape. Scholars intrigued by the Nihility speculate that affected Self-Annihilators and affected worlds will plunge into the Border itself, with their very existence eternally fixed to the other side of the unobservable Border, ultimately eradicated from reality.

Also, Annihilation Gang's attempts to assassinate IX bore no fruit in the past despite Aha The Elation; as they are also an Aeon with NEP1, lent their power to the gang.

In addition to this, in Simulated Universe, which is ultimately a computer program, even while Herta was observing the Trailblazer, she fails to notice IX until they ultimately start to effect the Trailblazer, and this is no coincidence since it happened twice.

I don't think zeroes or ones matter in such nonexistence tbf.

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

I am just quoting Border of Nihility from the Data Bank and stepping back. Figure the rest on your own.


Also, Annihilation Gang's attempts to assassinate IX bore no fruit in the past despite Aha The Elation; as they are also an Aeon with NEP1, lent their power to the gang.

In addition to this, in Simulated Universe, which is ultimately a computer program, even while Herta was observing the Trailblazer, she fails to notice IX until they ultimately start to effect the Trailblazer, and this is no coincidence since it happened twice.

I don't think zeroes or ones matter in such nonexistence tbf.

The Simulated Universe can also detect every other Aeon except for IX

 

[Enryu_The_Red_Tower]

Btw, NEP2 requires IX to be negation of Imaginary Space or Imaginary in general, but I hope you realize how stupid that sounds when everything about IX is underpinned by the fact that is precisely a part of Imaginary.

Either way, I don’t even agree with the general Aeon NEP1.

Like this scan tells me straight-up nothing about what “absolute nothingness” means here. I’m giving it the benefit of the doubt and assume that the context here is actually talking about Imaginary Space, but it can so easily be understood in the same way the void of space is nothingness as well.

Nevertheless, I say we leave this conversation for later.

Yes, the full dialogue was referring to Imaginary Space

 

[Furina003]

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[KingOfDarknessBelow]

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[Furina003]

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[PHANtomFELdway]

I heavily disagree with this. My opinion not really needed but I just think the argument against it isn’t really that good. This seems pretty similar to a verse I rep

 

[SuperNova55555]

I heavily disagree with this. My opinion not really needed but I just think the argument against it isn’t really that good. This seems pretty similar to a verse I rep

We should slime your verse too

 

[PHANtomFELdway]

We should slime your verse too

Never that

 

[Furina003]

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[Bahaha]

I strongly disagree with the OP, the reason is very simple:

One side of the coin: EVERYTHING that makes up reality (which includes the Sea of Quanta, Imaginary Tree and Imaginary Space), while the other side of the coin: Nihility

The Imaginary Space is omnipresent across the existence

The Sea of Quanta is a boundless void of nothingness, while the Imaginary Space is THE absolute nothingness. IX is indeed beyond said absolute nothingness, as explained by the coin analogy I mentioned above, in addition to this

Great! You heard it here folks, IX is NOT an aeon so remove everything aeon related from him and every other character that includes IX.

 

[KingOfDarknessBelow]

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[Voidnether]

Great! You heard it here folks, IX is NOT an aeon so remove everything aeon related from him and every other character that includes IX.

Yeah let's remove NEP1 entirely from the Aeons because they're concepts itself instead of lacking said concepts entirely heck yeah!! Ts is frying me bro

 

[Furina003]

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[Furina003]

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[Furina003]

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[Nissa_Ushiromiya]

Based on what I've read in the post and the comments, i disagree. It explains very well why IX has NEP 2 & 3. So i strongly disagree.

 

[SuperNova55555]

Oh yea. Bump this. I still strongly disagree with NEP2 for IX.

Especially since we’re not positing HooH as having PP, which is what we’re basing the whole vagueness of this “logic” statement in.