So why is there never a scan of where it is?
What? What do you mean?
If there is a landmark so big as to where it is in the middle of an ocean and it would take up the entirety of said ocean, it would be noticeable on literally any map.
I never said Alabasta would take up the entirety of the Grand Line, so I don’t know where this point is coming from
Oda can show the reverse mountain paths he can show alabasta if it's that big.
Oda doesn’t even always show the reverse mountain paths on maps. You can see this in the scans you provided. And the currents on reverse mountain are a major geographical feature pertaining to how the Grand Line works.
It can have texture.
You cannot prove that it has the same texture'd waves as the ones around Alabasta.
I provided multiple scans demonstrating instances where the Calm Belt has the same texturing as the water in that panel. Along with an explanation that the texture seen is the basic texturing Oda does on water when it gets further from the camera.
I clearly show the difference in texture between the calm belt sea and the grand line ones with either the anime or the manga especially when they first enter it.
This point is moot.
You didn’t? I addressed all of your examples within that reply
Canonically, it has no wind.
If it has no wind, it has no natural waves, as wind is caused by waves.
Waves are not only caused by wind. One quick google search would support this.
The drawn out water motion shown close up is just the small waves made from the countless sea kings moving and jiving around in the immediate waters. For dozens of km worth of waves to appear, you would need one ****** sea king, while 5km sea kings barely make a single km wave.
This is another thing I directly address within my previous response. That is below. Also, is it ridiculous to say that creatures that are over 5km in length can make a wave that is a single km?
Your entire point was that it's a 200x200 km^2 per pixel. The biggest sea kings barely make 1.
Yeah, I know. There is a whole paragraph in my previous response going over this exact thing, why I don’t think it would be impossible for waves that big to be caused by seakings, and funnily, that paragraph begins with me reiterating that the “waves” we see in that panel are not pronounced waves, but the basic texturing Oda used on his water, which I, once again, provided numerous scans supporting.
I don’t see why the sea kings
would need to manipulate hundreds of thousands of kms of water for it to be indiscernible. The texturing we see is the exact same texturing we see Oda use on any water that is further away from the camera. And I don’t even know that it’s impossible for them to manipulate that much water. Sea kings are over 5km long and some are much longer. And there are hundreds of them. Shirahoshi is considered an ancient weapon with the “power to destroy the world” just for being able to control them. The power to control sea kings is put into the same category as something that was able to wipe an entire island off the map and
raise the global sea level by one meter in a single use. That category being as one of the
three ancient weapons. These are the same ancient weapons that in the past
raised the global sea level by 200 meters. And if we were to take the assumption that what we see is not the basic texturing Oda does on all of his water, and in fact pronounced waves that are actually this big, these things would easily qualify as tsunamis,
which can travel tens of thousands of kilometers, and likely much further within the One Piece verse. You yourself are even open to the idea of residual waves from the Grand Line.
You are simply just repeating the same arguments that this paragraph was made in the first place to address, along with tangentially going over a fraction of the points brought up.
See how one of them violently changes color?
That says it all.
It really doesn’t. One picture is zoomed out quite literally
MILLIONS of times more than the other. The only thing I can see that could be described as “violently” changing color is the bottom photo of Alabasta, which like I said before, doesn’t match
You do know that... sea kings move... underwater right?
They don't need to be on the surface at all.
When did I say they needed to be on the surface? This response also ignores most of what I said in what it is responding to.
Your entire point was that it's a 200x200 km2 per pixel image.
Canonically it has no wind.
You're arguing with oda at this point.
If it has no wind it has no natural waves.
So what could cause thousands of kilometers worth of waves in a place with no wind?
I literally explain what could cause that in the paragraph you are responding to. Multiple different explanations actually. And again, wind is not the only cause of waves. And you yourself have argued for the possibility of residual waves from the Grand Line. Waves are also caused by the gravitational force from the sun and moon(s), earthquakes, and underwater landslides and eruptions. I have also made it pretty clear already that those aren’t even pronounced waves at all, but just the basic detailing Oda does on his water
This is just dishonest
It doesn't go straight down because the river is so thin in the grand scheme of things that that 1 portion in where its seen is just the most oda could show.
Same as wide rivers irl that aren't shown on the continents of the earth.
The river has a pretty consistent width along the whole thing, and wasn’t your point in the first place that Oda could show the Sandora river despite it’s size, yet now what we see on Alabasta doesn’t match the Sandora river because it’s “the most oda could show”? First, Oda can apparently show the Sandora river despite it’s size, now he can’t show most of the Sandora river
because of it’s size?
Alabasta is the 4th island on their route.
It is 2 or 3 islands after the first island so it's the 3rd or 4th.
I will concede on this point, but there are still a few things I need to address regarding this.
but instead they used their log pose and it connected to drum island instead of alabasta.
We know that drum island is the third because they used the log pose to get to drum island after nami was sick and they rerouted.
They never used their log pose to get to Drum island at all. It takes
one year for the log pose to set from little garden, and they obviously didn’t spend a whole year on little garden. They left right after Sanji got the eternal pose to Alabasta
This... does not matter?
Nobody said that the map is accurately used to showcase the exact amount of islands they went past.
You were using the maps as a reference for how big the gaps between the islands are. If the number of islands in each path on the maps is completely off, then the spacing would be completely off as well. And both of the maps you gave had the exact same number of islands within the middle path.
This was proven wrong above.
Not the part about Nanimonai. If Nanimonai is not the island before Alabasta within it’s path, then that would mean that Nanimonai is just close enough to Alabasta to get to there from. Like I said, an eternal pose to Nanimonai is considered enough to definitely get to Alabasta from. So Nanimonai has to be at least relatively close, which would extremely likely mean that there actually
IS an island present within the zoom out
There is a center of the surface of the globe.
It's called where the prime meridian and the equator meet.
Null Island.
The prime meridian is completely arbitrary.
You can't say it isn't a main point you're focusing on when it's the main thing dismantling the speed argument.
I can? Because the speed argument wasn’t my main point?
You guys are giving one piece ships the same standards as irl ships
I never did that
it's not inconsistent. You're just wrong and you don't agree.
Sure
Damage says a ship moves 4 meters a second and we see it weaving cannonfire then it's clearly not that damn slow.
It never weaved cannonfire. In the scans you provided, it was actually
unable to do that
You guys have never gotten a single lick of proof that it moves as slow as you claim.
The fact it was slower than cannonballs. And the fact it is a sailboat.
Yall sat there in the corner and laughed at the submarine dodging lasers to ignore the other points of the ships moving almost at the speed of sound. The whole point is that they range from fast to FAST AS HELL, and it doesn't matter what speed you use, they're all faster than the irl standards.
I never appealed to the irl standards. I mention this in the OP
While I don’t expect everything in one piece to follow real world logic exactly, including boats,
Look at the sunny in seconds to minutes covering hundreds of meters of distance.
It has a length of 39 meters.
for it to go 4 meters a second it would take 10 seconds for it to cover its own length.
It does that distance in less than a second.
Link doesn’t work
Moving in a certain direction ≠ moving faster due to what made them move in that direction.
Okay? I still don’t see how this translates to their normal sailing speed
They were able to perfectly navigate it.
So because they were able to navigate when they were sailing normally and when they were sailing up the knock-up stream, they must have been sailing the same speed in both instances? I’m trying to derive your point and I’m struggling. How does their speed from being propelled by the knock-up stream translate to their normal sailing speed
That's nice.
There are no antifeats.
Them being slower than cannonfire
If punk hazard was in her range, she would have no problem finding the straw hats.
She had a problem.
Nothing in the story tells us she had a problem finding the straw hats
In the top panel she was not looking at the sunny.
Literally the immediate page before she was looking at the soldiers inside of dressrosa. She just recognized the thunderbolt that happened in the middle of the ocean.
What she saw on the immediate page doesn’t matter because on the page where we see her actually see the thunderbolt,
we see the sunny in her vision
I did not say that she's always actively perceiving everything, i said that when her ability is on she sees everything.
Is that not the same thing?
What is your whole point?
That they aren't consistently that fast?
Okay whatever.
They aren't consistently 2 meters per second either.
You can't even find a panel in where they move that slow
I never claimed they consistently sailed at 2 meters per second
You are nuking the literal only way to measure the size of the planet.
That is not true. There are other people in this thread who have proposed possible recalcs. I’m pretty sure Floxy might have his own using the river and horizon
There is nothing else used to measure the size of the planet whatsoever because we've been trying for years and we've deduced this is the only way especially after the others were all declined.
You might not intend to make it uncalcable but if you stop selling wood to people who require firewood then you effectively stop them from using a fireplace. There are no other methods.
I don’t know why you think it’s just completely impossible to calculate the One Piece planet without assuming the Calm Belt is not at all included in that one panel.
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