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One Piece Blue Planet Calc Revisions

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Billybobjoe321 said:
And the verse page for one piece has this under the section about canonicity
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This scan already supports the anime scene which prove its consistency. It wouldn't fall under anime only as the differences between the Grand Line and Calm Belt are clearly showcased within the manga. Unless you can provide an instance of Oda personally coloring the Calm Belt and Grand Line/4 seas as the same but as it stands, there are no contradictions shown.
 
EtherealCrater said:
This scan already supports the anime scene which prove its consistency. It wouldn't fall under anime only as the differences between the Grand Line and Calm Belt are clearly showcased within the manga. Unless you can provide an instance of Oda personally coloring the Calm Belt and Grand Line/4 seas as the same but as it stands, there are no contradictions shown.
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I already asked previously if there was any instance we have of Oda coloring the Grand Line. Just having a single scan of Oda coloring the Calm Belt will not do. And this was pertaining specifically to Floxy’s concerns which were about that anime scene
 
Floxy178 said:
How canon is the anime by the way? Is it completely non canon? Because if it has some canonity, for manga to directly contradict it (noticable change) we'd need a manga panel that shows no visible seperation between Calm Belt and Grand Line. Calm Belt having some texture won't do the same I think.
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As far as I know this scene would be considered completely non canon in any sense
 
Kachon123 said:
Mind you, he started by saying that if a mod can confirm that it's canon then he'll be set. 2 mods have done so and he's still arguing that it's not. It gets to a point.
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I’m not sure of the evidence of that being canon Oda has a pretty firm opinion on what he decides is canon and not and anime scenes that aren’t in the manga he is specifically pretty harsh on
 
Billybobjoe321 said:
I already asked previously if there was any instance we have of Oda coloring the Grand Line. Just having a single scan of Oda coloring the Calm Belt will not do. And this was pertaining specifically to Floxy’s concerns which were about that anime scene
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Can you provide contradicting evidence? The anime scene becomes secondary to the canon coloring of the manga. If your entire argument is "It's not enough" then you don't have an argument.
 
EtherealCrater said:
Can you provide contradicting evidence? The anime scene becomes secondary to the canon coloring of the manga. If your entire argument is "It's not enough" then you don't have an argument.
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There doesn’t need to be contradicting evidence if it isn’t taken as canon in the first place. Again, I ask, do we have any coloring of the Grand Line water from Oda to compare the one of the Calm Belt to?
 
Billybobjoe321 said:
There doesn’t need to be contradicting evidence if it isn’t taken as canon in the first place. Again, I ask, do we have any coloring of the Grand Line water from Oda to compare the one of the Calm Belt to?
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So you don't have an argument, good to know
 
Billybobjoe321 said:
There doesn’t need to be contradicting evidence if it isn’t taken as canon in the first place. Again, I ask, do we have any coloring of the Grand Line water from Oda to compare the one of the Calm Belt to?
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"I dont need contradicting evidence to prove my point" YOURE THE ONE THAT NEEDS TO PROVIDE IT!!!!! I've already given my evidence and proven that Rusukaina is on the edge of the Calm Belt. Stop trying to shift the burden of proof onto me just because you have no evidence for your argument.

If there is, it's your job to find it; not mine.
 
EtherealCrater said:
"I dont need contradicting evidence to prove my point" YOURE THE ONE THAT NEEDS TO PROVIDE IT!!!!! I've already given my evidence and proven that Rusukaina is on the edge of the Calm Belt. Stop trying to shift the burden of proof onto me just because you have no evidence for your argument.

If there is, it's your job to find it; not mine.
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You didn’t answer my question. Why would I need to provide contradicting evidence if something isn’t canon in the first place regardless? And I have given contradicting evidence. Check out my previous replies where I compare manga shots of the Calm Belt and Grand Line
 
MattaGrimm said:
I’m not sure of the evidence of that being canon Oda has a pretty firm opinion on what he decides is canon and not and anime scenes that aren’t in the manga he is specifically pretty harsh on
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Except it is in the manga. The anime is an adaptation of the manga. It adapted this one panel that shows the contrast between rough waters and the Calm Belt between these two snapshots (that are literal seconds apart) in the same way it adapted the conversation between the Nami and the rest of the crew slightly differently.

The anime is secondary canon and can be used when there's no contradiction, which there isn't. What's been shown is not what's considered an "added scene." Something like Ace vs Smoker is, where they extended a single page Ace blocking Smoker into a skirmish of several clashes. You and Billy don't know what yall are talking about.
 
EtherealCrater said:
Can you provide contradicting evidence? The anime scene becomes secondary to the canon coloring of the manga. If your entire argument is "It's not enough" then you don't have an argument.
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For one piece specially having secondary canon using the manga is against what Oda himself prefers for his series
 
Kachon123 said:
Except it is in the manga. The anime is an adaptation of the manga. It adapted this one panel that shows the contrast between rough waters and the Calm Belt between these two snapshots (that are literal seconds apart) in the same way it adapted the conversation between the Nami and the rest of the crew slightly differently.

The anime is secondary canon and can be used when there's no contradiction, which there isn't. What's been shown is not what's considered an "added scene." Something like Ace vs Smoker is, where they extended a single page Ace blocking Smoker into a skirmish of several clashes. You and Billy don't know what yall are talking about.
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I’m not commenting on the over arching thread I’m only commenting on what I’ve read on odas opinions himself on how he feels about things that are either adapted or assumed outside of his manga
 
Kachon123 said:
Except it is in the manga. The anime is an adaptation of the manga. It adapted this one panel that shows the contrast between rough waters and the Calm Belt between these two snapshots (that are literal seconds apart) in the same way it adapted the conversation between the Nami and the rest of the crew slightly differently.

The anime is secondary canon and can be used when there's no contradiction, which there isn't. What's been shown is not what's considered an "added scene." Something like Ace vs Smoker is, where they extended a single page Ace blocking Smoker into a skirmish of several clashes. You and Billy don't know what yall are talking about.
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Kachon123 said:
Except it is in the manga. The anime is an adaptation of the manga. It adapted this one panel that shows the contrast between rough waters and the Calm Belt between these two snapshots (that are literal seconds apart) in the same way it adapted the conversation between the Nami and the rest of the crew slightly differently.

The anime is secondary canon and can be used when there's no contradiction, which there isn't. What's been shown is not what's considered an "added scene." Something like Ace vs Smoker is, where they extended a single page Ace blocking Smoker into a skirmish of several clashes. You and Billy don't know what yall are talking about.
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I do see the the panels there and yeah the panel from the manga and the anime is 1 to 1 in my opinion not sure how that sways this thread
 
Billybobjoe321 said:
You didn’t answer my question. Why would I need to provide contradicting evidence if something isn’t canon in the first place regardless? And I have given contradicting evidence. Check out my previous replies where I compare manga shots of the Calm Belt and Grand Line
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My evidence is based upon canon coloring from Oda. You need to prove that Oda's personal coloring is non canon. Your evidence is based on coloring that is not from Oda.

If Oda drew a house red and an assistant drew it pink, are we gonna prioritize the assistant's color over Oda's? No, Oda takes priority over all else.
 
EtherealCrater said:
My evidence is based upon canon coloring from Oda. You need to prove that Oda's personal coloring is non canon. Your evidence is based on coloring that is not from Oda.

If Oda drew a house red and an assistant drew it pink, are we gonna prioritize the assistant's color over Oda's? No, Oda takes priority over all else.
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I never said that Oda’s coloring isn’t canon. It is just unusable for comparison in this scenario because we do not have a coloring from Oda of the Grand Line.
 
Billybobjoe321 said:
I never said that Oda’s coloring isn’t canon. It is just unusable for comparison in this scenario because we do not have a coloring from Oda of the Grand Line.
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Its in the scan, there's a clear difference in color for an island that's near the edge of the Calm Belt.
 
It's over, man. This thread has had a strangle hold on our other threads this entire time, so we couldn't make any progress on ANYTHING.
 
I think if there are three disagree votes at this stage then we can consider the thread / topic concluded for now.

I consider it best personally just to wait for additional evidence from the manga on it, which is entirely possible.
 
You've already had two staff tell you it's canon. Kachon's already given valid enough reason as to why it's considered canon, the same scene is literally adapted into the anime, just because it has a character that was not there in the manga, that does not mean we can disregard the whole scene. That's not how our canon rules work.

This thread has dragged on and been open for long enough. 3 CGMs disagree with the OP, so I will close this.
 
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