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One Piece Pre-Timeskip AP Scaling
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I think everyone should be aware by now that Luffy has Resistance to Blunt Force. Not immunity.
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Name 1 istance where luffy got hurt with blunt force without Haki?
Kaido used Haki, the sparks around the attack are from CoA collisions
Dont forget that CoA is invisible.
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Thunder Bagua is just standard electricity manipulation, not armament.
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Kaido, Kizaru & Sengoku
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He took Sengoku's with no issues
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I brought several proof that those sparks are from CoA collisions (Luffy has CoA, and Kaido too) and those sparks are black, and his thunderbolts on dragon form are white.
Kizaru has Haki, there is no reason to think he didnt used on Luffy.
Sengoku has Haki too, like...
Kaido has haki too....
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There was a thread on it, the lightning from thunder bagua is purple. Armament/Conqueor's clash is red/black lightning.
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I did see the thread, but that doesn't confirm anything, until we can see the color of the kaido lightningbolts in dragon form.
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It literally doesn't matter. Thunder Bagua is accepted as electricity manipulation, seeing the color of Kaido's lightning breathe wouldn't change that.
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I agree with Eminiteable on this.
EDIT: Instead of looking for new possibilities for Luffy's feats/scaling, shouldn't we focus on what we know we can get rid of first like the Asura multiplier?
EDIT: Instead of looking for new possibilities for Luffy's feats/scaling, shouldn't we focus on what we know we can get rid of first like the Asura multiplier?
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Who scales to 3x Zoro via Asura?
Also, can we talk about the knock up stream and who would possibly scale to it?
Also, can we talk about the knock up stream and who would possibly scale to it?
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No one currently, but thriller bark base characters are all downscaling 3 times from it's AP.
We first need a place for them to scale too and I think that would require Doriki scaling to be revised first.
We first need a place for them to scale too and I think that would require Doriki scaling to be revised first.
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They all currently scale to Enel's El Thor.
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Then Haki is electrity manipulation too?
Anyway, this really does not matter, nothing suggest kaido didnt used haki on Luffy G4.
You all like forget that haki is an invisible armor, so everytime they hurt luffy or a logia we now they are using haki.
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Sanji barely tank it i guess.
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Wapol?
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Nope, Kaido's is specifically electricity manipulation since he produced lightning that wasn't related to haki & due to the attack name.
And nothing suggests he did either, suggesting Luffy has complete immunity is NLF.
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Nope, Kaido's is specifically electricity manipulation since he produced lightning that wasn't related to haki & due to the attack name.
And nothing suggests he did either, suggesting Luffy has complete immunity is NLF.
the name of one attack is not an proof of something, Yamato did the same attack with the same sparks.
She had electricity manipulation too?
Is not a NFL a simple rule of the verse, Luffy in several istances say that blunt force don't work on him, that's why when people are able to damage him, he's too surprised, because he's supposed to be immunne to blunt force (all this before he knows how Haki works and what it does).
Where is the NFL in verse about that? the fact that kaido is able to hurt Luffy with blunt force is only explained due the existence of Haki.
Or you really believe that rayleight with one finger has more AP than Moriah Shadows asgards.
"Im made of rubber but that still hurt"
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No way
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If she had a profile she possibly could get it. We have purple lightning for Kaido and the attack name and that's good enough.
This is going to go in circles, provide evidence of Kaido actually using Haki and that he even has armament haki. Assuming NLF that luffy's resistance is a complete immunity is not proof of that.
It's explained by Luffy not having a complete immunity, which we've seen with Sengoku and Kizaru.
See your issue here is that you're assuming that because haki can be invisible means that certain characters are using haki. Yes, haki can be invisible but that doesn't mean certain characters get haki with no justification.
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I mean, he did bite a large chunk of the ship.
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Thats does not make any sense, at all, its just the sparks of haki.
Hurting Luffy
the sparks
That i have to "prove" you that a yonko has at least basic CoA, it's irrisiorious, seriously.
when fodder Vice-admirals they all had haki, but kaido somehow dont.
When did he say that he has no complete inmunity? proof of that.
Sengoku and Kizaru are haki users, so nope.
I'm not really assuming anything, Luffy is immune to blunt force, and anyone who hurts him, is using haki, it has no other explanation, oda doesn't have to tell you that that character is using or has haki, because it's explicit by the fact that thery hurt logias or luffy.
if you can bring the scan where luffy says his inmunity is not complete then ill concede to you.
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This tells me you can't prove it, those sparks aren't haki sparks, just because certain characters who specifically trained for haki can use it doesn't mean Kaido can, these things require proof not assumption work. Should everyone in the verse have rokushiki? since Vice admirals can all use rokushiki. No.
Jack is also a Yonko Commander but has shown no ability in using haki, these things require proof and you've made it clear you have none.
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Are we just forgetting about Rob Lucci?
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He has Haki, he's not an antifeat
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Is not the same, every living being in OP has haki, it can used unconsciously even without any kind of training or knowing about it.
Rukoshiki needs training, haki is a energy that you already posses.
Im telling you that the fact that he is able to hurt Luffy with blunt force, showns that he has at least basic armament haki, thats the only way to hurt luffy with blunt force.
You are unable to proof any single istance that luffy got hurt by non-haki users with blunt force, like enel, moriah, crocodile, etc
neither to proof that luffy said his inmunity "is not complete"
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There's no evidence he was using Haki during the fight. And if he was, why didn't he bypass Luffy's blunt force resistance sooner than near the end?
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Another one:
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Another one:
Impact dials do internal damage
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Luffy's internal organs are rubber, so that makes no difference. The impact dial is a shockwave.
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This "no evidence" bs is annoying.
There's no proof Luffy was using Haki on Caesar when his hands weren't shown to have hardening Haki on them, does that mean that Luffy has natural NPI?
We don't need a confirmation statement for everything. Lucci was in 1 serious fight pre timeskip against a body shifting Paramecia, and then we find out that he has Haki. Are we gonna say "he had haki, but he just didn't use it", no, we say he has haki, and since we assume he wasn't holding back (or else he wouldn't have lost to that extent) we can say "he has haki, so he used haki".
Rayleigh used Haki to break Camie's exploding neck thing and we got confirmation 400 chapters later, we don't need confirmation for everything.
That was to preoccupy him from getting up. He punched him w/ the same thing earlier and it did no damage.More:
Foxy Flat out said the entire fight that his hits didn't do anything, which is why he switched to spikey gloves after.
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